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Don't you DARE steal Dez White's hard earned nickname and try to give it to Bennett. Come up with something new if you want, but nobody will ever be Stonehands except for Dez White. Next thing you know you'll be calling someone Sweetness.

Gotta start somewhere!! It's not a new philosophy for me, and if it's not addressed in next year's draft, we'll be having this same discussion.

So, you would be part of the "not many". Your post proves you are included in the "stockpile OL" camp. Many other places in the message boards' archives, however, had adamant opposition to the thought of drafting OL with multiple high draft picks.

To be honest, I don't see how the team can be faulted for Benson being a moron. As one of this board's biggest Benson haters, I still think the Bears front office had the following to look at: 1) A top-five draft pick, with crazy high school and college credentials on the field, and sparks of greatness in the NFL 2) An absolute garbage OL, that allowed more penetration than a 3 dollar hooker With that in mind, you have to concentrate on the OL first, and presume that the improvement of the OL will lead to production from the RB. That only made sense. And when you look at some of Benson's highlight runs from the past two years, he looked pretty good when he was given any semblance of a hole to run through. He had burst, power, and enough wiggle to keep the defense off balance. Aside from Benson's off-field retardedness, the front office made the right decision by going OL over RB. Hell, I think they should have gone OL again instead of picking up Forte. Of course, neither I, nor the front office could have predicted Benson's actions...so the Forte pick ends up being somewhat of a blessing in disguise.

Things with which I disagree Michael Turner: Would have been overpriced for a relative unknown Bryant Johnson: Pointless considering the fact there is a logjam at WR right now, and the OL stinks so bad that there could never be a valid evaluation. Bernard Berrian: Best WR last year, but not a #1, and not worthy of the tag. Watch him suck this year for the Vikes. Derek Anderson: See Michael Turner. Overpriced to get him. Sell high, buy low...not the other way around. Chad Pennington: Abso-friggin-lutely not. He would be worse than Rex or Orton with this OL. His noodle arm would have done nearly nothing except throw INTs under pressure. At least with the two we have there is a chance of a ball squeezing through a window. Things with which I agree Faneca: This I completely agree with. The Bears should have realized the weakest point last year. Hell, anyone with eyes, a brain, and elementary knowledge of football should have seen this. Drafting QB: Agreed. There should always be a QB blossoming on the horizon. By the way, Colt Brennan looks to be adjusting to the NFL quite well.

Regarding this OL topic, read my signature line. Aside from me and nfo, not many were on board with an OL heavy draft. While I think Forte and Bennett have a chance to be very good, I would much rather have seen at least two more OL prospects drafted. The Bears were in a position to pick up some highly regarded talent, but didn't do it. And now there's a situation where the QB, RB, WR, and TE position can't be properly evaluated because the OL is so bad. There is simply no way to know how well a QB will make a read when he's being hit and pressured every play. There are no reads other than the "hot read". There's no way to know how well a RB will see a cutback lane when he's being cross body blocked by a DT behind the line of scrimmage. There is no way of knowing if a WR or a TE will get separation and catch the ball, because the play never gets time to develop, and the QB never gets a chance to throw the ball where is should be. This is a bad situation all around, but it could have been lessened if the Bears went heavy on the OL.

I agree with the entire post, but wanted to clarify something. The situation you describe, illegal blocking down field (i.e. ineligible man down field), is a result of the OL being significantly beyond the "free blocking zone", and the pass being beyond the line of scrimmage. If a screen pass is set up, and the OL is 6 yards down field, and the pass is caught by the RB BEHIND the line of scrimmage, then there is no penalty. But when the RB leaks out too far, and catches the pass BEYOND the line of scrimmage, the result is a penalty. As far as the blocking while the ball is in the air issue, that is also a foul, but it's offensive pass interference. This, however, is almost NEVER called against the OL when they are setting up the screen. In fact, I'd go so far to say that I've never seen a pass interference on an OLineman. Most of the time the offensive pass interference in this situation is a result of a WR bubble screen or something similar, where the WR is blocking while the ball is in the air.

Disagree in part with Mongo. I think the WR position is just as good if not better. First, Booker is better than MuhMuh. Hell, I'd take Lloyd over him too. Add that to the fact that Bradley is healthy-ish, Hester is more involved, Davis has one more year under his belt, and the Bears drafted Bennett (not to mention the promise of Monk and Haas). OL...yeah, not that impressed right now. And that's all there is to it. OL will either surprise and help, or absolutely destroy this team. If bad, it'll make the skill positions on offense impossible to grade, and it will eventually wear down the defense and special teams. If good, the offense will do more than expected, and the D/ST will carry the team like they did two years ago...possibly just as far.

He's busted his ass to get better? Really? I see the same guy, making the same mistakes, dropping the same snaps, throwing off his back foot under pressure.

Wow. If this dude is injured, and LOOKED LIKE THAT, then when he gets healthy he should clearly get more carries. Because he was absolutely dazzling on at least two plays, and he's supposed to be injured. Crazy.

1) I think drafting anyone other than LT with the 1st overall is a bad move 2) I think you went way to early on Derek Anderson unless there was a ridiculous run on QBs 3) You got Chicago's D/ST, so you'll enjoy the season regardless of results Overall, I think you're fairly stacked. Thomas Jones will have a much better year with help from an improved Jets' OL, and, oh yeah, Farv. Fred Taylor and Ricky Williams are enigmas, but your WR corp will make up for it. The key is whether or not you have a flex player. If so, your team will dominate (there will be an almost guarantee of one TD per week from the three WRs). If not, you'll probably get beat early in the playoffs.

Bingo. This has been one of my biggest irritations for the last couple years. It makes NO sense whatsoever. Pisses me off. It is a lot easier to use cutback lanes when you know both the opponent's DEs are 10 yards wide. Sure, it's harder for a QB to scramble, but this isn't flag football. If this DL ever used stunts and varying moves on a consistent basis, it'd look like the gang-busting unit like the Giants last year.

Bad example or not, you miss the point. When someone states something, their statement can't necessarily be disregarded for their own personal issues. Use any example you want. Pick a guy who is widely disregarded or considered a bad character guy, and if he states fact (or damn near fact), then it shouldn't be disregarded because the guy is a bad character. If Tank said water was wet I'd have to agree with him. And Rex, no matter how much we want him to turn into the best QB in the NFL, is timid at best, and weak at worst. Let's take off the rose-colored glasses, stop drinking the koolaid, and just say it: Tank is right - Rex is weak. Does that mean he doesn't have big time talent? No Does that mean he can't lead a team? No Does that mean he can't win with good talent around him? No But, once again, let's be honest, the dude's weak. He pitter-pats his feet more than most NFL-calibre QBs. He throws off his back foot more than most NFL QBs. He makes atrocious decisions when in the face of danger far too often to be considered a tough guy. The pressure, the hits, the physicality of it all intimidates him. There is no denying this fact. All that considered, Tank's words ring true.

I've been saying for years that the Bears should stockpile players with cool nicknames. We could have 3 Tanks on the roster, a Booger, a PNut, Tron, and several other colorful characters like Craphonso.

If Stalin called Hitler evil, would it be any less true because of Stalin's own legacy? I think not. Until Rex steps up in the pocket, there's a good chance that most people on other NFL teams probably agree with Tank.

I've said it for years, and I'll say it again. Just because someone is in the NFL doesn't mean they know what they are doing. They may know the lingo and have the connections, but that's not necessarily an indication of actual football knowledge. Some of the smartest football people I've ever talked to in my life have been on the sidelines of high school football games. Guys that have seen more football, and understand it at a basic level, than most coaches today. And I still contend that if given a year to learn the lingo and what-not, that I'd do better (as would many on this board) than the Bears' OC has for the last decade or so (give or take odd spurts of success).

I thought the popcorn post was meant to be saying, "I'm just going to grab some popcorn, sit back, and enjoy the show." In other words, taking the role of Sweden in the Wolfe debate, not getting involved but nonetheless enjoying the results of the fight.

Please refer to my tagline for confirmation of this belief. We will never know what we have on offense as long as the OL is questionable to bad. There is relatively unknown talent at RB, WR, and TE with question marks still remaining at QB as well. Of course, you and I were two of the few who thought it would be a smart move to go OL, OL, OL with the first three picks.

I know it's only the preseason's first game, but if Miller makes his way back to the Bears (shudder), he may not even start. The guys on the OL looked pretty good tonight.

I agree with just about everything you mentioned. Out of everyone tonight, Garrett Wolfe impressed the most. He has homerun potential written all over him. I also thought that the sideline pass to Hass was indicative of everything I have heard about him. The kid has glue on his hands if he consistently makes plays like that.

Also impressed with his showing. Aside from the throw out of the backfield that he chucked over the swing receiver's head, he looked poised.

You know, I just don't think you honestly believe what you are saying. I'm not saying "I told you so", but it seems that unless Wolfe goes for 1500 yards you will continue to think him a wasted draft selection. Scrub time or not, it's ignorant to deny Wolfe's skills. This kid looks lightning quick. He made the other players in at the same time look s l o w. Even if they are 2nd and 3rd stringers, on talent alone he looked to be a man among boys (despite the contradiction of size). His long run was in and through the hole before the defense even knew what hit them. And his TD reception out of the backfield is a play that no other player on the Bears offense aside from maybe Hester would have made. He's quite simply a play maker, an explosive offensive threat that seems to make big things happen when he's in the game. He's definitely not the guy who needs to see the ball 30 times a game, nor is he the guy to run up the pipe for the hard 3 yard gain (even though he made a tough run off guard in traffic during the game), but he's the homerun hitter out of the backfield that the Bears otherwise lack, and have lacked for years.

I couldn't deal with it. First quarter was good...then the buffering got BAD. I missed almost everything in the second quarter and then logged off. I'll watch tonight and just deal with the lack of sleep tomorrow.

I'm on right now, and the Chicago v. KC game was there.

I thought the same thing. Which is why I wasn't all that excited when the Bears signed Kevin Jones. I think HE is the luxury or unnecessary acquisition. I felt beforehand that Wolfe and AP were enough to take the carries when Forte is tired. And, yes NFO, I DO think that Wolfe has the potential to be the next Warrick Dunn. There is something to be said for a good player in the NFL. It means the guy is one of the best in the world. It's an entirely different thing when an NFL player makes another NFL player look foolish, something Wolfe did more than once last year in limited playing time. I believe that if he gets more carries, but not the majority, he will pull off moves and jukes that will just pad his highlight reel, and prove his ability. If this guy was 6' and 210 lbs., we wouldn't be having this discussion because he would have went in the first round based upon college production. IMHO, AP should see VERY minimal carries this year, and after Forte, Wolfe should see the second most.