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Wow. I must have missed that stat. That even more of a reason to run double-TE formations and leak a TE out into the zone's soft spot.

Apparently the hits keep on coming. I refuse to believe it's all bad luck, a curse, or something like that. This has to be a team, training, fitness, preparation, or field related problem.

5th! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I nodded while reading this entire post.

What I'd love to see after this game is three things: 1) A new OL configuration of Whitehair/Sitton/Grasu/Long/Leno. 2) 75% of plays with two TEs in the game 3) A very run-heavy offense, with most passes coming off of play-action or bootlegs

Trubisky just got really lucky on his first NFL TD pass. Could the Bears finally be a franchise with a bit of luck?

The Titans fans used to call him "Low Gains".

Good thing Trubisky is fast, because someone is running free after him every other play.

Benny Cunningham just shit all over that dude in the open field. That was an embarrassing one-on-one.

:cheers I honestly would not be upset if the first four rounds were two OTs and two WRs. EDIT: 1-Mike McGlinchey, LT, ND 2-Parris Campbell, WR, Ohio State 3-Orlando Brown, RT, Oklahoma 4-Darren Carrington, WR, Utah

I didn't like the holding call, but that OPI was 100%. You're not allowed to stiff arm the defender's face while the pass is in the air.

Thus far, two false starts and a hold on the OL. Killing the offense one guy at a time.

Who is this Dion Sims guy that just caught a pass? Haven't really seen him during games this year.

Because they're moving the pocket how we've been requesting for about 5-10 years.

Is there such a thing as a coverage safety? I have never heard it uttered before. Floyd should treat the secondary to dinner for that one.

What we know so far, rolling out to the right is a great thing for Trubisky, and suddenly the Bears have a play-action game. He throws absolute bullets while on the move.

How many holding calls is that for him this year? Seems like he's good for one a game. That's a recipe for disaster when we already know Leno and Massie are each going to have at least one boneheaded play themselves. Those mistakes kill drives, just like they did tonight.

Your comments about McCown prove you don't even try to see or understand the other side of the debate. That's one of the reasons for the linear retort. There is more than one way to look at things. McCown as a parallel to Trubisky doesn't work because each player is unique. All McCown proves is the front office was completely wrong about his skillset and ability in the NFL. Point blank, people were wrong about McCown's talent. If Trubisky ends up sucking, then it won't matter when he started because the staff will have been wrong. If he ends up being a HOF QB, then the staff will have been wrong about not starting him over Glennon, who clearly sucked.

I fully understand the opposite point of view. I just vehemently disagree with it. The #2 pick should be a B-level guy already, someone who can play immediately and produce. He's not expected to be an all-star right off the bat, but he should look pro-ready. And if the front office is right, he turns into an A+ guy for years to come. The #2 pick should not be a C-level guy who needs a year of bench time, and who only gets in the game because the "seasoned" veteran in front of him performs much lower than a C-level. I don't assume a franchise QB is easy to find. You're way off there. I've been a champion of the "draft a QB every year"-strategy for quite some time. Furthermore, I've been a Bears' fan my whole life, so I know about the QB deficiencies. But that's what the other rounds are for: development guys. Guys that have incredible promise but might not be ready for some time. The first round is not for developmental players. It's not linear. In fact, it's quite the opposite. Good GMs should be looking for immediate help as well as long-term help. The better the round, the more immediate the help. The later the round, the more long term and hopeful it should be. Every player they draft should be with the intention that he will help the franchise for 5-10 years. Otherwise, why draft them? Cade McNown = Strawman. I never said the GMs and coaches were right most of the time. In fact, this franchise has proven it's the opposite. But the intent should be to find a guy who can contribute immediately if it's a first round pick. And especially if it's a first round QB selected #2 overall. Also, you're completely putting words in my mouth. All the HOF QBs you note didn't start the entire season would have started the entire season in my scenario. If anything, they'd have more stats compiled in their HOF careers. Finally, now you're the one being linear. It's proven since you don't understand my point of view in the least. This has nothing to do with the super bowl. The Bears never had a chance of getting there. This has everything to do with starting the rookie as early as possible to get him as much experience as possible. Every single NFL player will tell you that nothing is a substitute for real game experience. That's the primary reason Trubisky should have been starting. As for fitting into the tanking scenario, in order for most rookie QBs to realize their potential, especially since you all believe Pace is thinking so far ahead, he needs experience. And rookie QBs typically experience bumps, bruises, and lessons along the journey of their rookie year. The team would not be great with or without Trubisky this year, but at least he'd have more games under his belt. ALL experience helps advancement.

I think it's comical that you think other people are the ones twisting things. Especially since you really don't understand. If there was as much doubt about Trubisky as you point to, then he should not have been the #2 overall. Period. If Pace is drafting the #2 overall guy based upon uncertain potential years from now, and not actual production, then he should start scouting high schoolers for next year's draft. The draft is already an uncertainty. Making selections in the early first round based on what you think a guy might be years from now, but you KNOW he isn't right now, is simply not a good strategy.

And EVERYONE other than the head coach knew Goff should have been starting. Keep in mind, Fisher got fired in large part for his handling of the Goff situation.

If. The problem with that line of reasoning is you're using the one guy in the last decade or so who sat ala Trubisky's plan, and turned into a superstar. Regarding Trubisky, if he tears it up and turns into a HOFer, then we should all wonder why he didn't start over Glennon when he should have. If he flops, then it's a moot point.

I'll play along... Bears 2017 Remaining Schedule Week 5- Oct. 9 Vikings (2-2) (MNF) - Rookie Starting (L) Week 6- Oct. 15 at Ravens (2-2) - BAL is an enigma (W) Week 7- Oct. 22 Panthers (3-1) - CAR wins big (L) Week 8- Oct. 29 at Saints (2-2) - NO has too much offense (L) Week 9- Nov. 5 bye Week 10- Nov. 12 Packers (3-1) - GB has owned us recently (L) Week 11- Nov. 19 Lions (3-1) Split with DET (W) Week 12- Nov. 26 at Eagles (3-1) Alshon torches us (L) Week 13- Dec. 3 49ers (0-4) 49ers are bad (W) Week 14- Dec. 10 at Bengals (1-3) CIN has a bad D, not a bad O (L) Week 15- Dec. 16 at Lions (3-1) Split with DET (L) Week 16- Dec. 24 Browns (0-4) Close game (W) Week 17- Dec. 31 at Vikings (2-2) MIN in playoff hunt (L) 5-11 overall. Once again optimistic for the following year.

Oh, I get it. I don't think you get it. It's not hard to understand what Pace was doing, but in probably every single draft in NFL history, the #2 pick should be one of the guys who is absolutely ready to go day 1. If he is not ready to go on day 1, he is not worth the #2 pick overall. The #2 pick should be someone who makes an immediate impact and drastically improves your team. Period. Granted, people can be wrong on these picks, but they should absolutely be playing. Frankly, it's ignorant to argue otherwise, and it's just not sound drafting strategy to pick a guy at #2 because you think he probably will be really good in a year, but isn't right now. The list of amazing players at #2 is staggering. It's not a sure bet, because nothing is, but the #2 pick is extremely coveted. Furthermore, if the #2 guy overall has been thoroughly scouted and determined lacking enough that he needs a season to develop, then he's not worth the #2 pick. You trade DOWN to get that guy, especially if someone is allegedly trying to trade up for him. Speaking of the alleged trade, I just don't see it. The Cleveland trading up thing is BS and always was. CHI - 1.3 = 2200 CLE - 1.12 = 1200 CLE - 2.33 = 580 CLE - 2.52 = 380 CLE - 3.65 = 265 There is no way in hell Cleveland was going to forfeit their second 1st rounder, two 2nd rounders, AND something else for the #3 overall. No way. Sashi Brown is an extremely smart man, and a relative outsider to football. He could see right away that his team needed a lot more than one player, and they started stockpiling draft picks. To give up such a bounty for one pick would have been contradictory to all their draft pick accumulation. And wouldn't have helped much because the Browns still have several deficiencies, and apparently Trubisky wasn't good enough coming out of college to start on day 1. But if Cleveland WAS trading up, the Bears should have jumped all over that deal, and not doing so was stupid. Last but not least, given the general uncertainty of first round QBs, it made even less sense to pick a guy the team had enough doubts about to think he wasn't ready to even play in the NFL.