jason

That's a distorted view to say the least. The #3 pick is incredibly high value. That's the only reason the Bears didn't have to give up multiple first rounders. The HOU and KC trades were different by a wide margin because their original first rounders weren't worth nearly as much as the Bears' pick, and a future first rounder is uncertain value.

One of the picks should be David Sharpe or Julien Davenport. Time to double down on supporting Trubisky. Get a damn OT!

With his size, speed, and production, he was on everyone's board. Just not early or mid 2nd probably for most. I thought he would be there in round 3.

I actually like it, but think it's a reach. He's a monster TE who is way more athletic than men his size have any business being. Short term he's a guy who is an immediate red zone threat. Long term he's got potential to be an unguardable weapon Trubisky can rely upon. Like I said already, if the Bears are all-in on Trubisky, they should do everything possible to support and protect him.

Not sure I understand your reply, but make no mistake, if the draft value chart is even remotely followed, the Browns had to offer their entire draft to move up to #2.

It's not just me. It's nearly everyone else that watches or comments on the NFL. But keep defending GMs who have led the Bears to stellar records season after season. And each time a new guy comes in, be sure to forget how you defended each GM who didn't pick winners. I mean, how many years does this BS have to happen? How many years do the Bears have to be listed as the team with the least homegrown talent for it to sink in? I hope Pace is right about Trubisky, but the vast, overwhelming majority of people think the trade was very bad and that he got too cute with the move.

Agree 100%.

I didn't say Trubisky or Glennon would be a better choice for the Bears. I'm stating that the better option is to try out Glennon for his huge first year contract, and make the team stronger otherwise in what amounts to one of the deepest drafts in recent history. Particularly on defense. If that works out, great. Glennon is the future and the team can build from there. If that fails badly, then the team is stronger overall because of the pieces picked up in 2017, and can draft a QB in 2018's much better QB class. Honestly, that's not too difficult to comprehend. And it's the reason 99% of the reaction to the trade and draft selection has been mockery. Pace will need to sustain excellence for a few years with his picks before he's given any sort of leeway or a pass on moves like this. Until that time, his picks are under question just like all the other GMs you guys have defended over the past 20 years. If these guys were that infallible, the Bears would be long-term dominant. Yet each year the picks are questioned by, as you say, "professional meathead TV and online website analysts," and the Bears continue to wallow in misery. Maybe there is a correlation there?

No. I'm in the camp of looking at a team, analyzing which positions performed poorly, and improving those positions. You know, trying to improve the team overall. Based on the Glennon deal and all the talk, QB was already handled. In the real world, teams are built based upon multiple positions, not just one. And Pace's strategy isn't the only one that "could result in us having a good QB." Think hard, there are several other strategies to accomplish the same goal.

That's exactly the take I have as well. At the end of the 2017 season, if the Bears aren't in the playoffs, I think three things: 1. Fox is going to get fired. 2. Glennon is going to get cut. 3. Trubisky is going to be handed the starter position (if not earlier).

Regarding the bolded, absolutely. Apparently you wouldn't be, but I don't see how. It would be admitting the need for QB wasn't really there. Sure, he's doubling-down, but either he believe in Glennon or not. If so, then no need to draft a QB with #3, much less trade to #2. If this team were closer to contention, then there is a point. But this team is not. If not, then the idea was to pick Trubisky all along, and there really wasn't any reason to sign Glennon. Nearly 100% of anyone who follows the NFL thought the Browns would select Myles Garrett. He's the only can't miss guy in the entire draft. So the idea of trading to #2 was still very likely. And since Pace is apparently willing to sweeten a deal, then he wouldn't have had to really worry much.

Yeah, that's not good.

I don't believe the Chargers were ready to move up. That seems foolish since Rivers is still awesome. They might be in the market for a mid-round QB, but they aren't hurting enough to move up to the 2nd pick to get one. The only team not mentioned that needs a QB and had a realistic chance to move up without mortgaging an entire draft worth of picks is the NY Jets.

Since the Bears moved up and invested everything for the Trubisky pick, that signals to me a few things: 1. Pace is staking his job on this pick. 2. Trubisky will be given every possible chance to win the job. 3. Trubisky absolutely will be starting next year, regardless of how well Glennon does. 4. The Bears are embracing the new era approach to the passing game. With all of that said, I don't care who is there with the second pick. If Cam Robinson is available, that's a slam dunk. He was widely considered the #1 OT in the draft just a month or so ago, and there was talk of him going top 15. If he's there in round two, that's incredible value. Remember, Pace is a BPA guy. The Bears should do everything they can to ensure the future of their franchise QB is successful. The talented QB+good weapons+average/bad OL has already been tried. Doesn't work. If Trubisky is as good as Pace thinks, he should do everything within his power to ensure that Trubisky's jersey stays clean. It's about time the talented QB+good OL+average/bad weapons is tried. After all, guys like Wheaton and Wright are available every year in FA. Last but not least, I'll let this video do a little more speaking for me. Robinson makes all the sense in the world right now.

Well, we know the teams most likely to trade up for a QB (CLE, HOU, KC) would have had to basically include the rest of their entire 2017 draft to make it equitable, and in the case of HOU and KC, a first rounder next year as well. Do you really think they were offering that? I don't. And, more importantly, was Solomon Thomas going to be there at 12 or beyond for the Niners to select? Absolutely not.

I also understand "why" he did it. However, the "hope Glennon succeeds"-line of thought just doesn't make sense at all to me. I really, really wanted Glennon to be the man. To succeed. To be an all pro. But wishing that now only means the Bears have a #2 pick that never sees the field. Sure, it's great to have that type of insurance, but typically your insurance doesn't cost as much as your house. It means a #2 pick that is essentially wasted. That's not what #2 picks are for. That's what you use mid-round picks on. Picks selected in the first round are for guys who can come in and help immediately. Start immediately. If Glennon ends up being great, then we'll all have a million what if scenarios about the defensive player that could be currently helping the Bears.

Bingo. Beat me to it. With the combo of Solomon Thomas and Reuben Foster, and the extra Bears' 3rd, it wouldn't be surprising for them to take a significant step forward.

Apples and oranges, brother. Apples and oranges. There is no Chicago Bear fan that I know of who isn't all-in on getting a franchise QB. We've all wanted one for decades. So any team making multiple moves in order to get a franchise QB is something we understand as Chicago Bears' fans. Whitehurst cost them a third rounder and a swapping of seats. Not remotely close to the trade the Bears made. Flynn was a mistake for them, much like what most think the Glennon deal was, and now is. Wilson was a third round pick, and they didn't have to sell the farm to get him. Look, we've all been asking for QB. I've said (so have others) the Bears should draft a mid-round QB every year just for depth and upside. That's what the Seahawks did.

Interesting new trade chart. Even if you use the old trade chart, your point about the other teams is made.

I'd rather the Bears didn't win games this season. I wasn't that way before the trade, but the Bears obviously need one more down season in order to get position. After giving up the picks they did, and taking a rookie QB, there is zero doubt that Trubisky is starting next year (if not sooner), and the Bears need a lot of players in order to really threaten.

Yes, but reason that out for a bit. If Glennon goes off this year, and the Bears are worried about long term winning, then they can't possibly trade him because he's a sure thing. Dropping a winner in Glennon would be admitting to not caring about winning as much as putting in a high-paid rookie on whom the future of the franchise was mortgaged.

In the absolute perfect scenario, if 2017 Glennon is awesome, and 2018 Trubisky is awesome, then it's a win except for the fact that the 2017 money spent on Glennon was a complete waste, and the 2017 snaps Glennon gets will be a waste of potential Trubisky snaps. And that's the very best possibility in all of this.

Cleveland would have had to give up their entire 2017 NFL draft to move from 12 to 2. Sorry, that just doesn't work. This has every indication that Pace rushed the move, offered too much based on what other teams could offer, and hindered the 2017 progress of the team as a result.

Exactly. Every comparison I've seen thus far leaves out one critical detail in an effort to paint the Bears' trade in a prettier light.

It's not win-win. I don't know why people keep saying this. Let's break it down: If Glennon does really well, the Bears have a QB controversy. They'll have a #2 pick they're itching to get into the game, but can't, because Glennon kicked ass. They'll think, "But we could trade Glennon!" And the Bears will have given up a sure thing in Glennon, for yet another unsure thing in their #2 pick Trubisky, in the hopes of turning him into a sure thing. If the end result is to end up with an uncertainty at QB, they could have just drafted defense and picked a mid-round QB.