jason

I also understand "why" he did it. However, the "hope Glennon succeeds"-line of thought just doesn't make sense at all to me. I really, really wanted Glennon to be the man. To succeed. To be an all pro. But wishing that now only means the Bears have a #2 pick that never sees the field. Sure, it's great to have that type of insurance, but typically your insurance doesn't cost as much as your house. It means a #2 pick that is essentially wasted. That's not what #2 picks are for. That's what you use mid-round picks on. Picks selected in the first round are for guys who can come in and help immediately. Start immediately. If Glennon ends up being great, then we'll all have a million what if scenarios about the defensive player that could be currently helping the Bears.

Bingo. Beat me to it. With the combo of Solomon Thomas and Reuben Foster, and the extra Bears' 3rd, it wouldn't be surprising for them to take a significant step forward.

Apples and oranges, brother. Apples and oranges. There is no Chicago Bear fan that I know of who isn't all-in on getting a franchise QB. We've all wanted one for decades. So any team making multiple moves in order to get a franchise QB is something we understand as Chicago Bears' fans. Whitehurst cost them a third rounder and a swapping of seats. Not remotely close to the trade the Bears made. Flynn was a mistake for them, much like what most think the Glennon deal was, and now is. Wilson was a third round pick, and they didn't have to sell the farm to get him. Look, we've all been asking for QB. I've said (so have others) the Bears should draft a mid-round QB every year just for depth and upside. That's what the Seahawks did.

Interesting new trade chart. Even if you use the old trade chart, your point about the other teams is made.

I'd rather the Bears didn't win games this season. I wasn't that way before the trade, but the Bears obviously need one more down season in order to get position. After giving up the picks they did, and taking a rookie QB, there is zero doubt that Trubisky is starting next year (if not sooner), and the Bears need a lot of players in order to really threaten.

Yes, but reason that out for a bit. If Glennon goes off this year, and the Bears are worried about long term winning, then they can't possibly trade him because he's a sure thing. Dropping a winner in Glennon would be admitting to not caring about winning as much as putting in a high-paid rookie on whom the future of the franchise was mortgaged.

In the absolute perfect scenario, if 2017 Glennon is awesome, and 2018 Trubisky is awesome, then it's a win except for the fact that the 2017 money spent on Glennon was a complete waste, and the 2017 snaps Glennon gets will be a waste of potential Trubisky snaps. And that's the very best possibility in all of this.

Cleveland would have had to give up their entire 2017 NFL draft to move from 12 to 2. Sorry, that just doesn't work. This has every indication that Pace rushed the move, offered too much based on what other teams could offer, and hindered the 2017 progress of the team as a result.

Exactly. Every comparison I've seen thus far leaves out one critical detail in an effort to paint the Bears' trade in a prettier light.

It's not win-win. I don't know why people keep saying this. Let's break it down: If Glennon does really well, the Bears have a QB controversy. They'll have a #2 pick they're itching to get into the game, but can't, because Glennon kicked ass. They'll think, "But we could trade Glennon!" And the Bears will have given up a sure thing in Glennon, for yet another unsure thing in their #2 pick Trubisky, in the hopes of turning him into a sure thing. If the end result is to end up with an uncertainty at QB, they could have just drafted defense and picked a mid-round QB.

You get it. I don't like the Trubisky pick. I kind of hate it. But I understand it. What I don't understand is trading up for him. It's a horrible move. It's a rushed, worried move by a guy who apparently gets worried negotiating and over-offers just to get what he wants.

I don't understand what you're getting at. Of course there will still be complaints. If Glennon goes for 3500/28/10 that means Trubisky was an unnecessary pick, and a horrible trade. It will mean the Bears were 8-8 because somewhere and someone else on the team sucked. And that person who sucked likely would have been ousted by a rookie first round pick like Jamal Adams, Jonathan Allen, or Malik Hooker. That's an 8-8 team that could have been better if not for the one missing piece. And you go into 2018 with... 1. A worse pick than you would likely have had with a rookie QB 2. A worse situation with a QB controversy 3. Still the missing piece(s) that caused the team to be 8-8 instead of being better despite all the stats listed above

Sorry, but that doesn't fly. You're comparing past and unknown future. When a team like the Bears does the completely unexpected, it throws the entire draft out of whack. It's like a guy in your fantasy draft who picks up a kicker in the 2nd round. Once that happens, the players thought unavailable are now there, and the dominoes fall. You can absolutely never know what would have happened if the picks fell a different way.

Tragic, ain't it. I said "almost" my nightmare draft. I didn't realize there would be the possibility of moving up to pick him. That actually is the nightmare draft.

I feel the same way. I'm just waiting for someone to photoshop the Bears and Niners into the Kevin Costner movie where he railroads another team.

Deep thoughts like that must evade Pace. Before this year's trade I wasn't sort of on the fence about him, now I don't think he is very good at being a GM.

Then there is this: https://twitter.com/Mtrubisky10/status/554384600836087808

1. Just because others offer more doesn't mean you have to outbid. At this point I think Pace would pay $10 for a dollar meal at McDonalds if he thought someone in front of him might order the same thing. 2. See #1. 3. Holes aren't covered by a franchise QB if he's on his ass half the game and the D can't stop anyone. 4. How do you figure? What if Glennon lights it up? What if he looks great? Then he's suuuuper cheap next year at less than $5M. If they wanted to waste money, they should have overspent for some other free agent like Calais Campbell or Alshon Jeffrey.

There shouldn't need to be a QB transition for the #2 pick in the entire freaking draft.

I think it's freaking horrible for a variety of reasons. 1. The value to trade up was too much. 2. The trade was unnecessary since the Niners would have picked Thomas anyway. 3. The team has too many holes to trade up. 4. Glennon's contract now is wasted money. That's just to start. Nevermind the accuracy issues.

And now the Niners pick Thomas, the guy they were going to pick anyway. Great trade.

I love how the Bears pick him, and I immediately get sarcastic emails from friends who are fans of other teams. And then the announcers on ESPN start talking about all the shit he does poorly. Now the #2 pick in the entire NFL draft is going to sit behind Glennon. Just makes no sense whatsoever. So either the Glennon move was horrible, or the Trubisky pick is horrible. No two ways around it. And Trubisky would have been there at #3. Just an overall baffling move.

Way to go Pace. Just absolutely ruined the draft for me and nearly every other Chicago Bear fan.

Horrible.

Horrible. I don't care who they pick. Horrible. Giving up picks that we couldn't afford. Horrible.