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New England just turns random, regular, barely capable players into stars. Hogan looked like one of the best WRs in the NFL yesterday, and he's been cut by four teams. He played one season of college ball at a small school, and now he's ripping the Pittsburgh Steelers a new sphincter in the AFC Championship game. On top of that, the Patriots only had ONE 1st round player starting for them on offense yesterday. ONE! Beware any player from New England. Somehow, they are better able than any other team in the NFL, to make the sum of their parts worth more than the parts.

I'm actually pulling for New England. I'm more interested in watching Tom Brady cement his status as the GOAT. We are truly watching greatness with him.

Updated to 9 Y, 12 N for QB RD1. Lemon broke the possible tie, and Lucky's vote - whenever it comes - won't make a difference. The Bears are going BPA in the 1st round. For the purposes of this mock exercise, we will assume the draft starts as such: 1. Cleveland - Myles Garrett 2. SF - QB Now it's time to decide which player/position is the BPA at this point. Right now I believe it's either Allen, Hooker, Adams, or potentially a CB. I'm going to bold this with what I believe your choice is. Correct me if I am wrong. Unless someone changes my read on their opinion, right now it looks like 7 for Allen, 5 for FS, 4 for CB. Adam - RD1 QB=YYMN, No Trubisky, Needs: QB/LT then CB/S, Garrett/Allen RD1, (S,OT,QB,CB,TE,DL,WR,K) Alaska - RD1 QB=NYY, Deshaun, Needs: QB,CB/Safety (possible 2nd QB later), RD4 OL agreement Ashkum - RD1 QB=NYY, Deshaun, O>D, Kevin King RD4, Julie'n Davenport RD4, Chad Wheeler RD3/RD4 (multiple OTs), CB RD1, Needs: CB/QB AZ54 - RD1 QB=YYM, Trubisky1/Kizer2, No Watson, D>O, Needs: QB/Safety, Adams>Hooker/Peppers, Julie'n Davenport after RD3, QB #1 need, CB #2 need Bears4Ever - RD1 QB=N, RD1 S, RD2 QB Boston Boxer - RD1 QB=NN, Garrett/Allen then Peppers/FS, Bowlingtwig - RD1 QB=MM/NNN, Needs: CB/LT, Need early RD 2ndary, D>O, Chile - RD1 QB=Y/M/NN (No Barkley), QB RD2, DE/S/CB in RD1, RD7 round kicker, Needs: CB/FS Chitownhustla - RD1 QB=Y, Needs: QB/LT Connor - RD1 QB=N, QB in RD2, CB/S in RD1 Daventry - RD1 QB=N (too many needs, Barkley potential, RD1 QB ?'s) Dawhizz - RD1 QB=N, Garrett/Allen RD1 then FS, DBDB - RD1 QB=YM, Peppers overrated killakrzydav - RD1 QB=YYYY/M/N, Watson/Trubisky/Kelly/Kizer, O>D, No S @ #3, Garrett>QB, Needs: OT/S/CB, Kaaya "garbage" Lemon - RD1 QB=M/N, BPA, Allen potential at #3, CB potential 2nd round, high on Fabian Moreau, No Cam Robinson RD1 Lucky Luciano - RD1 QB=M, Needs: QB/CB, RT in RD3-RD4 MadLithuanian - RD1 QB=Y, Trubisky-lite, Needs: QB/FS then CB Mongo - RD1 QB=YYY, Trubisky, O>D, Draft an OT NYC - RD1 QB=Y, Needs: QB, WR need within 3 rounds Pixote - RD1 QB=N (RD2 QB, maybe another >RD3 also) scs787 - RD1 QB=N, Garrett/Allen RD1, FS next RD1 option Stinger - RD1 QB=MMN, Must draft QB this year, No Trubisky, No Cam Robinson RD1, Adams/Garrett/Allen RD1, S in RD1, No Peppers RD1

Updated to 9 Y, 12 N for QB RD1. Lemon broke the possible tie, and Lucky's vote - whenever it comes - won't make a difference. The Bears are going BPA in the 1st round. For the purposes of this mock exercise, we will assume the draft starts as such: 1. Cleveland - Myles Garrett 2. SF - QB Now it's time to decide which player/position is the BPA at this point. Right now I believe it's either Allen, Hooker, Adams, or potentially a CB. I'm going to bold this with what I believe your choice is. Correct me if I am wrong. Unless someone changes my read on their opinion, right now it looks like 7 for Allen, 5 for FS, 4 for CB. Adam - RD1 QB=YYMN, No Trubisky, Needs: QB/LT then CB/S, Garrett/Allen RD1, (S,OT,QB,CB,TE,DL,WR,K) Alaska - RD1 QB=NYY, Deshaun, Needs: QB,CB/Safety (possible 2nd QB later), RD4 OL agreement Ashkum - RD1 QB=NYY, Deshaun, O>D, Kevin King RD4, Julie'n Davenport RD4, Chad Wheeler RD3/RD4 (multiple OTs), CB RD1, Needs: CB/QB AZ54 - RD1 QB=YYM, Trubisky1/Kizer2, No Watson, D>O, Needs: QB/Safety, Adams>Hooker/Peppers, Julie'n Davenport after RD3, QB #1 need, CB #2 need Bears4Ever - RD1 QB=N, RD1 S, RD2 QB Boston Boxer - RD1 QB=NN, Garrett/Allen then Peppers/FS, Bowlingtwig - RD1 QB=MM/NNN, Needs: CB/LT, Need early RD 2ndary, D>O, Chile - RD1 QB=Y/M/NN (No Barkley), QB RD2, DE/S/CB in RD1, RD7 round kicker, Needs: CB/FS Chitownhustla - RD1 QB=Y, Needs: QB/LT Connor - RD1 QB=N, QB in RD2, CB/S in RD1 Daventry - RD1 QB=N (too many needs, Barkley potential, RD1 QB ?'s) Dawhizz - RD1 QB=N, Garrett/Allen RD1 then FS, DBDB - RD1 QB=YM, Peppers overrated killakrzydav - RD1 QB=YYYY/M/N, Watson/Trubisky/Kelly/Kizer, O>D, No S @ #3, Garrett>QB, Needs: OT/S/CB, Kaaya "garbage" Lemon - RD1 QB=M/N, BPA, Allen potential at #3, CB potential 2nd round, high on Fabian Moreau, No Cam Robinson RD1 Lucky Luciano - RD1 QB=M, Needs: QB/CB, RT in RD3-RD4 MadLithuanian - RD1 QB=Y, Trubisky-lite, Needs: QB/FS then CB Mongo - RD1 QB=YYY, Trubisky, O>D, Draft an OT NYC - RD1 QB=Y, Needs: QB, WR need within 3 rounds Pixote - RD1 QB=N (RD2 QB, maybe another >RD3 also) scs787 - RD1 QB=N, Garrett/Allen RD1, FS next RD1 option Stinger - RD1 QB=MMN, Must draft QB this year, No Trubisky, No Cam Robinson RD1, Garrett/Allen/Adams RD1, S in RD1 or RD2, No Peppers RD1

HELL YES!

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Updated to 9 Y, 11 N for QB RD1. Unless Lemon & Lucky both vote Yes, it's decided, and time to start making a mock draft. Adam - RD1 QB=YYMN, No Trubisky, Needs: QB/LT then CB/S, Garrett/Allen RD1, (S,OT,QB,CB,TE,DL,WR,K) Alaska - RD1 QB=NYY, Deshaun, Needs: QB,CB/S (possible 2nd QB later), RD4 OL agreement Ashkum - RD1 QB=NYY, Deshaun, O>D, Kevin King RD4, Julie'n Davenport RD4, Chad Wheeler RD3/RD4 (multiple OTs), CB RD1, Needs: CB/QB AZ54 - RD1 QB=YYM, Trubisky1/Kizer2, No Watson, D>O, Needs: QB/S, Adams>Hooker, Julie'n Davenport after RD3, QB #1 need, CB #2 need, Adams > Peppers @ S Bears4Ever - RD1 QB=N, RD1 S, RD2 QB Boston Boxer - RD1 QB=NN, Garrett/Allen then Peppers/FS, Bowlingtwig - RD1 QB=MM/NNN, Needs: CB/LT, Need early RD 2ndary, D>O, Chile - RD1 QB=Y/M/NN (No Barkley), QB RD2, DE/S/CB in RD1, RD7 round kicker, Needs: CB/FS Chitownhustla - RD1 QB=Y, Needs: QB/LT Connor - RD1 QB=N, QB in RD2, CB/S in RD1 Daventry - RD1 QB=N (too many needs, Barkley potential, RD1 QB ?'s) Dawhizz - RD1 QB=N, Garrett/Allen RD1 then FS, DBDB - RD1 QB=YM, Peppers overrated killakrzydav - RD1 QB=YYYY/M/N, Watson/Trubisky/Kelly/Kizer, QB more yes because of risk they don't fall, O>D, No S @ #3, Garrett>QB, Needs: OT/S/CB, Kaaya "garbage" Lemon - RD1 QB=M, No Cam Robinson RD1 Lucky Luciano - RD1 QB=M, Needs: QB/CB, RT in RD3-RD4 MadLithuanian - RD1 QB=Y, Trubisky-lite, Needs: QB/FS then CB Mongo - RD1 QB=YYY, Trubisky, O>D, Draft an OT NYC - RD1 QB=Y, Needs: QB/, WR need within 3 rounds Pixote - RD1 QB=N (RD2, maybe >RD3 also) scs787 - RD1 QB=N, Garrett/Allen RD1, FS next RD1 option Stinger - RD1 QB=MMN, Must draft QB this year, No Trubisky, No Cam Robinson RD1, Garrett/Allen/Adams RD1, S in RD1 or RD2, No Peppers RD1

Right now we have 9 Y for QB RD1, 10 N for QB RD1, 3 Maybes for QB RD1, and potential voters I may have left out. Still undecided! Adam - RD1 QB=YYMN, No Trubisky, Needs: QB/LT then CB/S, Garrett/Allen RD1, (S,OT,QB,CB,TE,DL,WR,K) Alaska - RD1 QB=NYY, Deshaun, Needs: QB,CB/S (possible 2nd QB later), RD4 OL agreement Ashkum - RD1 QB=NYY, Deshaun, O>D, Kevin King RD4, Julie'n Davenport RD4, Chad Wheeler RD3/RD4 (multiple OTs), CB RD1, Needs: CB/QB AZ54 - RD1 QB=YYM, Trubisky1/Kizer2, No Watson, D>O, Needs: QB/S, Adams>Hooker, Julie'n Davenport after RD3, QB #1 need, CB #2 need, Adams > Peppers @ S Bears4Ever - RD1 QB=N, RD1 S, RD2 QB Boston Boxer - RD1 QB=NN, Garrett/Allen then Peppers/FS, Bowlingtwig - RD1 QB=MM/NNN, Needs: CB/LT, Need early RD 2ndary, D>O, Chile - RD1 QB=Y/M/No (No Barkley), RD7 round kicker, Needs: CB/FS Chitownhustla - RD1 QB=Y, Needs: QB/LT Connor - RD1 QB=N, QB in RD2, CB/S in RD1 Daventry - RD1 QB=N (too many needs, Barkley potential, RD1 QB ?'s) Dawhizz - RD1 QB=N, Garrett/Allen RD1 then FS, DBDB - RD1 QB=YM, Peppers overrated killakrzydav - RD1 QB=YYYY/M/N, QB more yes because of risk they don't fall, Watson Yes, O>D, Garrett>QB, Kaaya "garbage" Lemon - RD1 QB=M, No Cam Robinson RD1 Lucky Luciano - RD1 QB=M, Needs: QB/CB, RT in RD3-RD4 MadLithuanian - RD1 QB=Y, Trubisky-lite, Needs: QB/FS then CB Mongo - RD1 QB=YYY, Trubisky, O>D, Draft an OT NYC - RD1 QB=Y, Needs: QB/, WR need within 3 rounds Pixote - RD1 QB=N (RD2, maybe >RD3 also) scs787 - RD1 QB=N, Garrett/Allen RD1, FS next RD1 option Stinger - RD1 QB=MMN, Must draft QB this year, No Trubisky, No Cam Robinson RD1, Garrett/Allen/Adams RD1, S in RD1 or RD2, No Peppers RD1

So, just to be clear, I'm a little confused on your stance as well. You were definitely QB RD1 in at least two other threads. Are you saying QB in RD1 is a No from you now? And you're on board with S in RD1?

So are you saying you want QB in RD1 now? That didn't appear to be your preference in other threads, particularly a few where you said you liked CB in RD1, and wanted to wait on a QB like Falk.

This is what I compiled over the past few days. If you have multiple letters after RD1 QB, that means I found where you were leaning one way in one thread, and another elsewhere. Other notes are from whatever comments made in various other threads. If you disagree with something by your name, or your slant on QB in RD1, please let me know. Right now we have 8 Y for QB RD1, 11 N for QB RD1, 2 Maybes for QB RD1, and potential voters I may have left out. Adam - RD1 QB=YYM, No Trubisky, Needs: QB/LT then CB/S, Garrett/Allen RD1 Alaska - RD1 QB=N (More sense later), Needs: QB/CB (possible 2nd QB later), RD4 OL agreement Ashkum - RD1 QB=N (RD2-Falk?), O>D, Kevin King RD4, Julie'n Davenport RD4, Chad Wheeler RD3/RD4 (multiple OTs), CB RD1, Needs: CB/QB AZ54 - RD1 QB=YY/M (Allen MM), Trubisky1/Kizer2, No Watson, D>O, Needs: QB/CB, Julie'n Davenport after RD3, QB #1 need, CB #2 need, Adams > Peppers @ S Bears4Ever - RD1 QB=N, RD1 S, RD2 QB Boston Boxer - RD1 QB=NN, Garrett/Allen then Peppers/FS, Bowlingtwig - RD1 QB=MM/NNN, Needs: CB/LT, Need early RD 2ndary, D>O, Chile - RD1 QB=Y/M/No (No Barkley), RD7 round kicker, Needs: CB/FS Chitownhustla - RD1 QB=Y, Needs: QB/LT Connor - RD1 QB=N, QB in RD2, CB/S in RD1 Daventry - RD1 QB=N (too many needs, Barkley potential, RD1 QB ?'s) Dawhizz - RD1 QB=N, Garrett/Allen RD1 then FS, DBDB - RD1 QB=YM, Peppers overrated killakrzydav - RD1 QB=YYYY/M/N, QB more yes because of risk they don't fall, Watson Yes, O>D, Garrett>QB, Kaaya "garbage" Lemon - RD1 QB=M, No Cam Robinson RD1 Lucky Luciano - RD1 QB=M, Needs: QB/CB, RT in RD3-RD4 MadLithuanian - RD1 QB=Y, Needs: QB/FS then CB Mongo - RD1 QB=YYY, Trubisky, O>D, Draft an OT NYC - RD1 QB=Y, Needs: QB/, WR need within 3 rounds Pixote - RD1 QB=N (RD2, maybe >RD3 also) scs787 - RD1 QB=N, Garrett/Allen RD1, FS next RD1 option Stinger - RD1 QB=MMN, Must draft QB this year, No Trubisky, No Cam Robinson RD1, Garrett/Allen RD1, S in RD1 or RD2, No Peppers RD1

First of all, here's the link to 2016. Our picks were as follows (before all the trading): 1.Ronnie Stanley, OT - Selected a few picks before Chicago - Still a need 2.Sua Cravens, ILB - Selected later in the 2nd, even after trades - Filled by Nick Kwiatkowski 3.Jayron Kearse, SS - Selected in the 7th, we were way off - Filled by Deon Bush & DHC 4.Bronson Kaufusi, DE - Selected early 3rd - Filled by Jonathan Bullard 5.KeiVarae Russell, CB - Selected mid 3rd - Filled by Deiondre Hall 6.Dak Prescott, QB - Selected late 4th Still a need 6.Halapoulivaati Vaitai, OG - Selected late 5th - Filled by Cody Whitehair 6.Silverberry Mouhon, OLB - UDFA - Filled by Leonard Floyd 7.Glenn Gronkowski, TE - UDFA - Still a need I think the reason people were so excited about this draft was that so many positional needs were filled. There weren't any "we don't even need that position"-picks, and for the most part it looked like the players picked matched our mutual agreement on team need. Overall a solid, not completely ridiculous draft. The biggest issue is Jayron Kearse, whose size, athleticism, potential, and family name had us drafting him higher than he went. It's worth noting, however, that maybe he deserved to go a little earlier, since as a 7th rounder he played all 16 games and started 1. With that said, this year's "Everyone Agrees Mock" may be a little more difficult. First things first, if you'd like to participate, do so by stating if you want a QB in the first or not. That will obviously be the driving point to this entire endeavor. Just like last year, here are the rules: -Please don't post your own mock. I'm going to scour this board over the last few weeks/months to write down comments/likes/dislikes/etc. to get a starting off point. -There are no trades or FA considerations. -I'll post the mock based on the aforementioned comments. -Comment on what you like or dislike from the mock, and I'll update your restrictions as well as the draft.

You guys got me thinking about this year's "Everyone agrees mock draft".

Sort of agree. There are enough guys projected RD 2-4 (Dion Dawkins, Taylor Moton, Garrett Bolles, Julien Davenport, Antonio Garcia, David Sharpe, Roderick Johnson) that a viable pick or two could be made. I'm the President and Vice President of the "Get More OLinemen Club," and even I don't like the value of that position in RD1 or RD2. The only way I like the value is either trading back, or if Ryan Ramcyzk falls to our 2nd round pick because of his labrum issue.

Just say no to Kyle Long at OT. We've seen that experiment. No. He's all pro inside. He's not nearly as good outside. I think the ideal situation moving forward is for the Bears to have the following lineup: LT: Charles Leno/Draft Pick/FA LG: Josh Sitton - BU:Kush C: Cody Whitehair - BU:Hroniss Grasu RG: Kyle Long - BU:Kush RT: Bobby Massie/Draft Pick/FA Long story short, the Bears need to pursue one or two Tackles in the draft and FA. Either OT currently starting is average at best.

The more mocks you do, the more names you notice. I present to you the most interesting name draft I could make. 1. Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan - It's a reach, but who doesn't love tacos? 2. JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, USC - Hopefully this would be some good juju for the rest of the draft. 3. Budda Baker, S, Washington - I almost went with DeDe Westbrook for repetition, but having good juju and karma is tough to beat. 4. Fish Smithson, S, Kansas - Fish tacos anyone? 4. Jake Butt, TE, Michigan - My inner 7-year old is laughing. His draft stock will fall because of the knee injury. 5. Chunky Clements, DT, Illinois - Chunky fish tacos anyone? 7. Storm Norton, OT, Toledo - With this draft, a storm is coming.

Truth be told, I'd probably have a chubby after that draft (depending on what FAs were acquired).

Why would the Bears need two ILBs? Freeman was nasty this year. One of the best ILBs in the NFL. And Trevathan still isn't lost for 2017. Throw in Kwiatkowski's promise, and I don't see a reason to do anything other than bolster the position with depth. If they know Trev is out, then it becomes a potential concern.

Something like this? 1. Malik Hooker, S, OSU 2. Adoree Jackson, CB, USC 3. Dion Dawkins, OT, Temple 4. Julie'n Davenport, OT, Bucknell 4. Obi Melifonwuo, S, UCONN 5. Chad Kelly, QB, MISS 7. Kenny Kolladay, WR, NIU

Which position/area would you like the Bears to focus a little more love on? Or, put another way, which position/area could the Bears draft multiple players and get your support? Two at QB, WR, OT, CB, S? What about three for the secondary? With all the talk about S in the first, I was wondering if the tolerance level had risen to where a surplus would be accepted. I think I would be OK with a draft that went extra heavy in the secondary. Find a problem, address the problem. Period. 1. Malik Hooker, S, OSU 2. Adoree Jackson, CB, USC 3. Jordan Leggett, TE, CLEM 4. Damontae Kazee, CB, SDST 4. Obi Melifonwuo, S, UCONN 5. Chad Kelly, QB, MISS 7. Kenny Kolladay, WR, NIU

That would be an interesting approach. I don't know how I'd feel about trading back into the first that high - you showed the cost - but I could see it happening because of the value placed on QBs.

Allen didn't really drop that much. He just put a few secondary players in between. I obviously prefer Allen over those secondary guys, but wouldn't be upset with the pick either way. I just don't want QB at #3, because I don't think they're worth the #3. I like most of his rankings as well, because he has the QBs less inflated than others.

The major difference between a place-holder veteran like Schaub and Cutler is the money. Schaub likely gets $2-$3M per year. Cutler likely gets three times that amount.

The point to it all is, if unknowns are going to be brought in at high cost, it makes more sense to spend very little and get a known quantity. There's virtually no risk. No huge upside, but he's definitely better than Hoyer, Barkley, or Shaw.

1. Assume the QBs fly off the chart before most believe they're graded. 2. This year's crop of QBs are all questionable. 3. Bears skip QB at 3. 4. Tons of defensive talent in this draft. 5. The Bears will need a placeholder instead of Hoyer & Barkley. I present to you, Matt Schaub, ladies and gentlemen. Neither Garrapalo nor Glennon has shown production and consistency in the NFL. Schaub has. Also, Schaub won't cost an arm and a leg. To get the shot of starting - after sitting behind rookie phenom Carr, then Flacco, then Ryan - would be a huge bonus to him. Not to mention the fact he won't cost any draft picks. There is virtually no uncertainty about him. Everyone knows, including him, that he's a place-holder until the 2018 draft where one of the following QBs are likely available: Sam Darnold, QB, USC Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming I like that approach a lot better when you consider the talent the Bears could get this year. And if it worried the Bears' front office too much, they could use one of the 4th rounders on a developmental QB...like they should have last year.