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I'd love to see one of those 6-quadrant passing charts, the one where they show deep left/middle/right and short left/middle/right, for this game. Cutler is doing to the Bucs Defense what so many other QBs did to the Bears Defense while Lovie was the HC. It's a huge problem for his defense, and it's something we mentioned numerous times on this board...not to mention the time of possession issues.

If he asks for franchise money, I think you have to let him walk. If he is willing to take a little under that, and he should be, you sign him.

Impressed: Zach Miller - Honestly, he looks fast, has good hands, runs good routes, and makes Bennett dispensable. Disappointed: Martellus Bennett. See above, and he just hasn't been great this year. Dropsies have been an issue, and I'm still convinced he is a bad route runner that screws Cutler on the 50/50 decision routes.

Nice to see Lovie hasn't learned a thing. He's still content to sit passively in the cover-2 and let the opponent dink and dunk down the entire field, just to keep the game close with the hope of pulling something out at the end. Virtually no aggressiveness in his blood at all.

I don't like your projections. Here are mine: TEN - 2W - 5-11 CLE - 2W - 5-11 SD - 1W - 5-11 BAL - 2W - 6-10 DAL - 2W - 6-10 SF - 2W - 6-10 JAX - 2W - 7-9 MIA - 2W - 7-9 NO - 1W - 6-10 (L to JAX) DET - 1W - 6-10 (L to SF) CHI - 0W - 5-11 The Bears draft fourth!

Merry Christmas all. May packer fans get coal in their stockings.

HA! I think any of us could have written it. Ragland, Buckner, Stanley...same players we are all discussing with our first pick. ILB, DL, OL, it doesn't take a genius to see that we have issues in all three places. I do like that Ragland was listed first.

Nonsense. 222lbs is just a tiny small, but could be overcome with speed and instincts if his strength is lacking. Or, he could just be really strong and have great leverage. And with NFL weight training, would it be that hard for him to gain 10lbs? Navarro Bowman - 240 Larence Timmons - 234 D'Qwell Jackson - 242

I don't like the idea. Dude is 6'4", 320lbs. That is not a 5T DE in a 3-4, regardless if he lined up there in college. He is not nearly explosive enough, doesn't have the bend to dip the shoulder and get the edge, rushes on power and not agility. If he were to move outside in a 3-4 in the NFL, he'd be purely an edge-setter who destroys the run. Aside from that, he's done damn well as a rookie NT. Haven't we learned enough from Kyle Long position change experiment?

Other than Wilkerson, that's a fairly ugly list. The more times this is brought up, the less I am convinced about the proper way to approach next season? Maybe 3-4DE in the first is the right route? Then again, the UFA ILBs aren't pretty either. Throw the bank at Wilkerson and see if he bites?

Good idea for a thread, and I like your thought process. Out of the two, I'd rather have Wolfe. Neither excite me, however.

I actually think Young has come on as of late as an OLB. Maybe he just needed to get the OLB experience? I don't mind seeing him and McPhee as the starters at OLB. That has my needs as ILB and DE. Here are the two realistic scenarios I like the most, or that I can see off the bat. 1. Reggie Ragland, ILB, Alabama 2. Scooby Wright, ILB, Arizona 3. Shawn Oakman, 3-4DE, Baylor In this one, Ragland is the thumper, and Scooby is the 100% hustle player who goes sideline to sideline. 1. Robert Nkemdiche, 3-4DE, Ole Miss 2. Scooby Wright, ILB, Arizona 3. Cassanova McKinzy, ILB, Auburn In this one, I honestly think Nkemdiche could potentially drop, but let's say he doesn't. I don't like this one as much.

I like it. And Oakman...yikes (Walter Football has him 3-5 rd)

In one of the other threads I mentioned something similar to the old-school Washington+Traylor combo. The reason that worked so well is that they basically set up a wall and said, "You either have to run around wide, or pass." It was pretty effective in that regard. What if the Bears did something similar in the near future? The way I see it, you need 2-3 components with this idea: 1) The stout DL, obviously 2) Athletic LBs, to chase outside, cover gaps, and go into pass coverage 3) A decent secondary So here is my challenge: Choose a combination of 3-4 ILB, and/or 3-4 OLB, and/or 3-4 DE that realistically could fall into the Bears draft position. Could be DE, DE, ILB. Or maybe ILB, DE, OLB. Whatever. Give the reason for your picks and the players being replaced.

Yeah, for the most part I agree. I've long said LBs, particularly ILBs, can be complimentary and be successful as long as they're smart players. In a 3-4 they're a bit more important in my mind, because they have to be playmakers as the DL is holding things up, but in general the playmakers in a 3-4 are OLBs. Honestly, I hope the Bears try to beef things up on the DL like they did with Washington and Traylor. Get huge, immovable, fairly athletic guys at both DEs, and then get multiple playmakers at LB. THAT would be where ILBs become more important than normal.

I think the fade is pure lack of talent mixed with new scheme and injuries. No matter how hard you try, if the hill is big enough you can't keep running. And when you stop to take a breath, walk it out, whatever, the hill whoops your ass. The Bears, for the most part, ran hard up the hill. Eventually they had to catch a breather, and the other, deeper, better teams, did not.

No surprises from me. OL is a bigger issue because without OL, the rest of the offense fails. Without ILB talent, it is still possible the secondary makes a tackle.

Dammit! I knew I shouldn't have tried to do that with two kids screaming at me and running wild.

I was sorta replying to the comment above about LT. Read the article. They're thinking that move more than our move.

MNF Lions vs. Saints: The Lions started off 0-5. They haven't looked horrible lately. I think the Lions win. Week 16 games of interest: 1. Jaguars (5-9) @ Saints (5-9) - Both teams have wretched defenses, and the Jags get hammered by good offenses. Saints win in a shootout. 2. 49ers (4-10) @ Lions (5-9) - The 49ers have sucked. I'm saying Lions go two in a row. 3. Colts (6-8) @ Dolphins (5-9) - The Colts are in a freefall. 4. Cowboys (4-10) @ Bills (6-8) - Bills win; they have been competitive with everyone, and Dallas has issues. 5. Chargers (4-10) @ Raiders (6-8) - Oakland is really not that bad. They win. 6. Steelers (9-5) @ Ravens (4-10) - The Steelers are on fire. 7. Bears (5-9) @ Buccaneers (6-8) - I hate to say this, but Jamies Winston and Doug Martin are going to torch the Bears. 1. Titans 2. Browns ----- 3. Chargers - 4-11 4. Ravens - 4-11 5. Cowboys - 5-10 6. Bears - 5-10 7. Jags - 5-10 ----- Saints - 6-9 Colts - 6-9 Dolphins - 6-9 Bills - 7-8 Raiders - 7-8 Buccaneers - 7-8 So after next week the Bears jump to #6?!

Looks like the team is thinking similarly. I don't like it. He was a monster at RG. Move him back inside.

Timu looked damn good today!! Better than SMC for sure.

With Tennessee and Baltimore losing, and Cleveland almost certainly losing later, I'm looking at the SD vs MIA matchup. If SD wins, going to 4-10, and MIA loses, going to 5-9, would that cause Miami to leapfrog Chicago in any way? Maybe we should cheer for Miami just to be sure? Same goes for the Detroit vs New Orleans game. If Detroit beats New Orleans, does Chicago jump Detroit? Right now we need to be rooting for Jacksonville to beat Atlanta. We already stepped firmly ahead of St. Louis after their win vs TB, but JAX getting a W would be very good for the Bears.

BTW... Forte still has it. That cut-back run in the first drive that got called back was there with or without the hold. And it was almost entirely because of a nasty jump-cut by Forte. A few other times this game he's shown burst, vision, and power.

It doesn't happen very often, but when the entire Chicago Bears message board agrees on something, it's a 99.9% certainty. This is one of those issues. Hopefully the staff realizes this, moves him back to RG, and signs/drafts accordingly.