BearFan2000

I would’ve rather seen them resign Trubisky

I’m with you, build the rest of the roster particularly the lines. Let the throw away season play out as the dumpster fire it likely will be. Clean house and let someone not name Ryan Pace pick our next QB in the 2022 draft.

Per score they signed Andy Dalton. Welp, that’s a letdown. 1 year $10 Mil with another 3 in potential incentives.

Liked him and sad to see him go as he was a great teammate and was outspoken in trying to convince player to consider signing with the team. On the bright side he won't be coming in to run the ball or catch a 2 yard pass on third and long. He will be greatly missed as a returner he was always dangerous.

Glad that's done, I was worried we'd let him walk and be back to trying to figure out kicker on top of our other problems.

They keep touting that we made the playoffs 2 of the last 3 seasons. But had the NFL not added a 7th playoff spot for each conference this past season, we would have miss the playoffs 2 out of those same three seasons. They act like beating crappy teams after dropping 6 straight this year is a positive, as they acted like we responded well after a similar losing skid last year. When Nagy has the gall to say in the press conference that coaching is a strength of this team. They are not living in reality, sadly, for us fans it means looking towards a wasted season.

This is exactly why they should have cleaned house. You have Pace and Nagy who will be more motivated to mortgage the future for the present in hopes to save their jobs than look at what's best for the Bears long term. Their perspective is extremely short term and focused on this coming season only. I can see Pace swinging for the fences and screwing the team further for years to come in a vein effort to save his and Nagy's jobs. If the Ownerships' intent was to let them stay knowing full well they will likely fire them next year, then their perspective is severely limited too. Ownership needs to do what's best for the team long term. If your intent is to fire Pace/Nagy after 2021. Why keep them knowing the moves they make could do damage to the teams future leaving the next GM and HC to clean up an even bigger mess than we have now.

Sadly this is where we are. We are down to looking at making the best of a bad situation no one we can bring in will make anyone excited. At least without mortgaging the present and future to surround this new found star QB (ie Watson) with garbage, thus nullifying any positives said QB could bring. At this point Foles will be day one starter, along with some other vet, and possibly a rookie. But if we don't address and fix the OL this team will go no where anyway. I do feel like with an average to above average line or better you'd be surprised how much better Foles or any QB would look along with making our run game better. SB was a perfect example of this, the great Mahomes was humbled as he was running for his life all game, and the prolific KC offense failed to find the end zone in 60 min of football. OL is the great equalizer of football as goes the OL so goes the offense. Till we fix that there won't be any consistency.

There in-lies the problem. While Nagy can be a better than average HC, as he does seem to be able to motivate his players, and his players like playing for him. He seems to lack the self awareness that he just isn't good at offensive play calling. He just isn't. While I'm all for people not giving up and getting back up and keep trying, but at some point you have to be honest with yourself and realize something's not in your wheelhouse. Especially when being stubborn is detrimental to others around you. In Naggy's case his unwillingness to admit this and delegate and resist the urge to control that aspect of the game, is detrimental to the team and his ability to become a better HC.

At this point in his career he's more of a situational player than an every down kind of player. If we can get him without spending too much, and are able to maximize his time in the rotation I'd be for it. I just don't want to see us pay him for his past production when he's clearly not the same player he was in his prime. Doesn't mean he can't be effective if used correctly. I'm not a huge fan of bringing in guys at the tail end of their career which often doesn't live up to expectations.

Except that in our current situation it's not as simple as just choosing to pursue Watson vs Wentz. Watson would require more than we can realistically offer, where as Wentz is more within reach. The two options are miles apart in cost. On draft day 2017 yes it would have been simple to sit at #3 and take Watson, and we possibly aren't having this conversation. At the end of the the mistake of giving up way too much to move up one spot to take Mitch when he'd have likely still been there at 3, and now here in 2021 we're looking at a trade to try and correct that mistake.

It’s been a mess over in Philly. Lots of blame and speculation and pointing fingers. Sometimes it’s best for a player like Wentz and the Eagles to part ways. And have a change of scenery. As NYC pointed out they have the 6th overall pick so they could take a swing at QB and have him and Hurts comete for the starting spot. Of the trade options he could be the least risky if we can get him without giving up future picks. I’d be fine with it. Especially if we are able to also address the line and WR plus ad depth at other positions of need. If it woks out with him here you keep him and if it doesn’t you can cut him. In which case it likely means we have a new GM and HC to make the decision.

Was thinking this too they made no adjustments. It’s like they had one game plan and just kept trying to follow it no matter what Tampa was doing. Some of it I think as they got further behind was Mahomes trying to play the hero. Rather than take what the defense gives you. With the pressure they were getting. They should have called more plays to get tha ball out quicker not ask Mahomes to drop back deep and wait for something to open up. They should have done more with screens to make Tampa pay for their aggressive rush. KC has had many big comebacks and I feel like that is in part like comebacks we had during the early part of our season. The defenses go into more of a prevent. And suddenly their offense looks on fire and they play off momentum. Where I give props to Tampa is they didn’t let off the gas on defense and allow the Chiefs back into the game. I hate watching teams build a lead then go into prevent hoping to ride their lead to a win. For once I saw a defense keep fighting to the end.

My first gut reaction to the thought of trading for Wentz made me sick to my stomach but as I've read through this thread, some of my feelings about a move like this are tainted by recency bias. 2020 was a bad year for Wentz and the Eagles, just like we often say one good game doesn't make a season or one good year doesn't make a career, one bad season should be taken with the same grain of salt. The more I read here and the more I think about it the more sense it makes. If we are getting him on basically a 1 year deal and can cut him without any hit if things don't work out and we clean house after 2021. Then you aren't saddling a new GM/Coach with a QB they don't want. Any trade that involves us giving up Foles, and Miller, and this years #20, for Wentz and not having to give up future draft picks is as close to a win as you can get. Maybe we can throw in Wims to help negotiate a higher return pick. I've gone from no way do I want to trade for Wentz to thinking this could work. Especially if it allows us to keep ARob at least in 2021. I know he would not be happy about being tagged, but, perhaps if it's done with the intent to work out a longer term deal that works for him and the team. Then you go into 2022, possibly with a new coach, new gm, stud WR, all of the 2022 draft capitol, and if we are able to address the line, then you have a shot at going for a franchise QB.

And that is why it won't matter who's behind center if we never fix the OL. No consistent run game, no time to throw, etc. Mahomes was running for his life most of the night, they could never get the run game going. They became one dimensional and Tampa could just tee off. Could have had more picks as several times while running for his life he just wings it somewhere hoping something good happens. It proves it's not a one man show. Mahomes is talented but I've never felt he was as good as all the hype, he's been in a system that meshes well with his skills. Losing two of their OL in the playoff run definitely hurt, and Tampa's front 7 is legit. It was a recipe for disaster. He wouldn't fare any better here had we drafted him. And at this point we'd probably be talking about him as a bust just like Mitch. Football starts in the trenches, fix the OL then look for your franchise QB. Otherwise it's like putting a new set of tires on a car that don't run.

KC killing themselves with dumb penalties.

I can honestly say I’m neutral in this on. If it were GB I’d be rooting for a KC blowout. Should be a good game.

Reminds me Tarik with better field vision.

With pace anything's possible he could even trade up to take a QB or player that would have otherwise been there at 20, etc. Only given with Pace is there will be some head scratching selections.

It's been reported that the Texans have named their price tag and it's steep. Two first rounders, two second rounders, and two young defensive starters, as a starting point. I'd say look elsewhere. 2021 is likely a throw away season, for the future of our team we'd be better served finding a more reasonably priced free agent or trade target. It wouldn't serve the short or long term to mortgage even more of the future for a top tier QB than not be able to afford to surround him with anything. I don't see any way that Pace/Nagy salvage this team and their jobs beyond 2021. Last thing I want to see is Pace swing for the fences (especially with his batting average) and cripple the team's cap situation and future draft capitol leaving the next GM a huge hole to dig out of. Or should I say a deeper hole than the new GM will have to as it is. My fear is Pace will more short term focused rather than long term. We are more than a QB away, and likely more than a season away from seriously competing. What I'd rather see us do while painful, would be go into next season with Foles, draft pick developmental QB, FA, and spend the remainder of the draft capitol addressing the OL, WR, and defensive holes created by players lost. Perhaps we can find a trade partner to unload Foles in some kind of package deal that either nets us a QB so we go into the season with two FA QB's and a draft pick. I feel we need to play the hand we have which isn't very good and not steal from the future to bandaid the broken present.

Not sure this is legit. I see articles like this all the time about some artist coming up with new helmet designs for all 32 teams. 90% of them are pure garbage concepts. I don’t see the Bears changing their helmets any time soon.

The thought of Stafford coming was interesting but would the results be any better here than Detroit? Sure it’s an upgrade at QB, but we don’t have the talent around him or the line to block for him and we’d be giving up draft capitol needed to remedy that. This trade works for both teams. LA is in win now mode. They have a run game, receiving weapons, and a solid line. Adding Stafford is a big upgrade at QB. And Stafford is finally free of the NFL purgatory that is the Lions. For Detroit the are amassing draft capitol for their new GM and HC to remake the Lions. It’s an enviable position. Im warming up to the idea of Watson but at the same time I feel it would put us in the same or worse position than had we made a similar trade for Stafford. For us it would be trading Foles and other players and picks for Watson. With all the players we will be losing this year already. Watson will be a major upgrade at QB but in a gutted team with limited draft capitol.

Packer fans are blaming the refs. It’s classic. They are so used to getting help from the zebras.

Love seeing that Rodgers frown. lol surpride they didn’t go for it at the 8. Packer fans will be roasting LaFleur.

Agree 100%, if you pay the steep price of bringing in Watson and your left with nothing around him, what good did it do. His talent would be wasted. The bold part was just painful to read that was a sad time reading all those names brings back bad memories. The way to fix the Bears on offense is to start with the line, if you can't protect your QB he's not going to stay upright and by extension won't matter who he'd be throwing to from the ground.