BearFan2000

At this point we've got a better shot at a high draft pick next year and blowing it all up than we do of turning this team around and having a better product on the field. Whoever we bring in is likely just a one year deal anyway. That alone limit's who'd want to come in under a lame duck HC and GM. I think it'd be a stretch for Singletary who's never been a DC and only ever been a LB's coach or defensive assistant. But if you're going to go out on a limb on a hire, this would be the season to take a chance on someone. With Rodgers leaving there goes our best internal hire.

That is an interesting thought. Proper talking technique hasn't been a theme here. No matter how much talent you have if you don't do the fundamentals it won't matter. If a guy like Kris can come in and teach our guys good fundamental habits that could payoff down the road beyond next year should a house cleaning happen. It will be tough to convince an outside guy to come in when nothing's guaranteed beyond 2021. I would be good with Rodgers. Wade Phillips would be a good hire too and with our situation I don't see his age being an issue. One way of looking at it is expectations for next year are low anyway so there's some freedom to get creative and try to find someone who can get the most out of who we have on the roster when next season starts.

I don't think you can trade a Arob if you tag him. Since he's technically playing under the tag and not an actual contract. I could be wrong.

hit the nail on the head. We keep hiring and drafting on Potential. We draft athletes, not players hoping they will become players. We moved up in the second to draft Miller and he's been outshined by Moony who we took in the 5th round. Wims was a 7th round throwaway pick. It's part of the "smartest" man in the room syndrome. We think we're being clever picking guys merely based on potential and measurables. We get small school guys or guys who've not really proven anything of substance at college, but, hey they are athletes. It's like we only see the possible good or we're just blinded by our vision of what they can become and ignore the actual resume.

Just don't bring him in when the down and distance is 5 yards or less, the result will be an offsides and a free first down

Second that. Hard to state it any clearer. Bears D is given too much credit for being good in the red zone while getting torched between the 20's but it absolutely has in large part to do with the shrinking field. Further evidence is when we give up a red zone TD it often looks stupid easy. This is why it's hard to have any confidence in the D to come up with stops despite the supposed talent. I feel like Lovie's D was better than this crap but that might be recency bias. At the end of the day when your D relies on bend but don't break sooner or later it will break and get ugly. Coupled with our offense a one possession deficit feels insurmountable.

This is like picking which piece of roadkill looks most appetizing... I'd probably lean towards 3. 10.5 mil dead space on an already cap strapped team means Foles is likely back. I would like (hopefully someone other than Pace) use a high pick on a QB. I would not like to spend two draft picks on QB in the upcoming draft. Pick up an UDFA QB to take a flier on as a backup sure. We have too many other needs to spend 2 of our limited picks at one position. Other than Foles and a high pick, we'll want to go FA for either a backup or to compete with Foles to see who starts the season as a bridge QB. Could that be Mitch(option 1)? Only way I'd bring Mitch back would be on a team friendly deal as a backup. I don't know if Mitch is self aware enough to realize he's not a starting caliber QB in the NFL. If he think's he's a starter, I'd say good luck elsewhere. I could see, keeping Foles as a backup, the high round rookie, and another vet FA brought in to be the bridge QB. When the new kid's ready to take over the bridge QB competes with Foles for the backup spot.

Definitely should be the new GM's choice. If for some reason he decides to keep Nagy and this staff that's his prerogative, I just don't want to see us saddle a new GM by saying you must keep Naggy. The new GM needs to have control of the roster and staff or your just tying his hands.

Oh for sure. lack of discipline we've seen on this team whether it's players being regularly out of position or letting an opponent bait you into doing something stupid after the play. This all goes back to coaching and like you said a good coach would take that opportunity to make it a point of emphasis after the Wims incident (which he should have been cut for). The coach has to make it clear to his players to play above this crap and that reacting this way will not be acceptable. Some guys though like Miller and Wims seem to be hot heads and easily baited and thus need be let go. They have hurt this team. I get your passionate but you still have to play under control.

This also says something about the guy who's instigating it. It's still dumb and inexcusable for Miller and Wims to react that way and shows lack of discipline. Same thing happened to Kmet in the same game after the play their player was jawing at him and the ref assumed when Kmet was tossing the ball to the ref that Kmet was throwing it at that player and gives him a bogus personal foul. I don't know if it was the same DB or not but. There are players that like to egg you on and then act all innocent when the other guy reacts. Again that doesn't excuse Miller and Wims. both seem to be quick to lose their cool making them easy targets.

If Pace is gone the new GM must be able to hire his own HC. Forcing a new GM to keep an ineffective coach and staff severely hinders the GM search setting up the inevitable next rebuild. The only situation where this would even make sense is if you have great coach and staff but a piss poor GM that is clearly holding the team back. Here everyone from top down is hindering this team. At the very least you fire Pace, and the new GM gets to decide if he wants to keep Nagy and his staff or start fresh with his guy. Idealy I want it all gone, Teddy, Pace, Naggy, all the way down to the water boy. Purge the heck out of this organization. Sad reality is whoever is running the show after this season will have a steep uphill climb to remaking this team into a consistent winner. We have some good young talent on the team but need to cut the dead weight. We've highly invested in the defensive side of the ball but when you watch the games it doesn't show. Guys out of position, not tackling, high paid pass rushers getting little or no pressure. With the money we spent and the supposed talent we have in our front 7 we should be harassing QB's on the regular, yet we don't. It starts up front if you can't get home your secondary gets exposed because they have hold their coverages longer. On offense we are limited by talent at QB, OL, and WR.

Hard to say what the next GM will do if we do in fact have a different one. We're accustomed to how Pace and previous GM's have approached the draft. Here's hoping we get a new GM and that GM doesn't suffer from the same "smartest guy in the room" syndrome and can actually look at the draft objectively and actually utilize it to address needs. But, like NYC said a new GM may need a year without expectations as he will have his work cut out for him, and it may take a season to see what a new coaching staff needs from a roster instruction standpoint. I really we get this right, it gets tiring to blow everything up every 3-5 years and start over. But reality is we aren't alone in the pattern there are many other teams that have the same problem. We need to become one of those teams that has a good structure in place and are consistently good year to year. I'm tired of watching my team peak ever few years or so and give you hope just to turn back into a pumpkin after midnight.

This game is a perfect example of why this team didn’t belong in the playoffs and we need to blow this up. When we gave up the td to make it 14-3 I could feel the blowout was coming. We stopped fighting and started to just lay down. Sure we held the saints out of the end zone after a gift of a PI at the end and getting a meaningless TD at the end. Tired of seeing a ball carrier or receiver dead to rights for little or no gain only to watch our guys not wrap up or just stand there and watch the run by for an easy first down or score. I lost count of how many tackles for loss that turned into first down and more Tired of chicken *#*^^| play calling. 7-3 and you have 4th down on the road in fg range take the points. Make it a 1 point game. Then wth was that at the end of the first half??? Almost 2 min and I believe 2 time outs. We run the ball twice for no gain then incomplete on 3rd down and punt. Why not at least try to get the ball in fg range. GUTLESS. We could have gone into half up 9-7 with the ball to start the second half. Add in Wims flat dropping a TD. Is Naggy calling plays again. We kept trying play action but when you can’t run the ball no one is fooled. We couldn't move the ball, couldn’t convert on 3rd down. What do we have like 100 yards of offense the entire game and 3 points to show for it. I don’t count the garbage time 99 yard TD drive. Our only other points came from turnovers giving us good field position. We played undisciplined with dumb penalties poor tackling there is nothing to hang our hat on in this. No moral victories. Blow it all up now.

Picked Mayfield but a lot of meh, on that list. I’d rather go the draft route with this years QB depth and hopefully someone other than Pace/Naggy making the pick who will also bolster the line in the earlier rounds.

Watson s disgruntled. Bringing him here even if he wanted to come. Would cost us too much and I feel we’d be no better off other than an upgrade at QB. It would limit what we can do elsewhere on the team. The irony here is if it were to happen we’d end up with a QB we could have had on draft day and we would have mortgaged the future twice to do so. High price for one mistake.

I agree with not wanting to break the bank but find a longer term deal that works for him and for us. While you don't like paying a lot for a kicker you also can't afford not to try to lock up a good one when you have them. It's money well spent not having to worry if your kicker can make FG's at critical times that an NFL kicker should make. Pinero can be good but he can't be depended on with his injury history. Over the last several seasons since Gould left I've grown tired of holding my breath on any FG because I don't trust our kicker to make even the simplest of kicks. That hasn't been an issue this year. I feel like Santos deserves multi-year deal to keep him in Chicago. I think we can find something that works for everyone. *edit*. Add to that finding a kicker who can handle the challenges of kicking in soldier field especially in the winter and adverse weather conditions is not an easy find.

I do like the conf champ getting the one and only first round bye, and the extra playoff team as well. What makes it different from last year is the #2 playing the bottom seed in the opening weekend. Where as last year the #1 and #2 got a by and the remaining 4 teams played each other opening weekend and then the following week the the #1 played the lowest advancing seed, and the #2 would play the highest advancing seed. This puts the Colts vs Bills, and Bears vs Saints. Which I feel is fair when you allow a 7th team per conference into the playoffs they should have a steeper task to advance. It certainly is a tall order for the Bears to beat the Saints to advance to the divisional round. Then likely have to beat the Packers, Seahawks all on the road in order to make it to the Super Bowl, then likely face KC. Anything can and does happen in the playoffs but more than likely the Saints getting the Bears will amount to a 1st round bye for them. They are beatable but not sure we have what it takes to do so. If our D could actually play up to it's talent level then maybe. I'll be hoping for a win but preparing for another 1 and done.

For sure, we lost so many games while trying to find a solution at kicker. Santos has been solid. Pay the man to keep him. It is ironic in all this mess that has been the 2020 season we actually found a kicker.

Words can't even come close to describe how much I hate the Packers. I want to see them get beat bad coming out of their precious first round bye. I want Rodgers to retire and then to see them suck for eternity.

Then we follow it up with a bad pick. nice...

and that's the ball game. Down 12 with under 4 to go and it takes us forever to move the ball. Red zone failure is the story of this game along with the D letting GB do whatever they want.

Ironic isn't it. The offense finally can do something then the D just escorts the opponent to the end zone. We can never get even 2 of the 3 phases to play well in one game

This 100%. Settling for FG's in the red zone won't help when we let GB do whatever they want on offense. They also got a huge break on the "fumble" by Kmet he was down when the ball came loose, ruled wrong on the field and then again on review.

Danny had no shot at cover a WR like that especially after faking the blitz. That was too easy. Can't gift them TD's

D needs to step up here. Too many missed tackles. Can't allow GB to find a rhythm on offense. Need to be more disruptive. Hope Roquan isn't hurt too bad.