BearFan2000

It'll be the most meaningful football event to take place in Chicago almost 2 years.

I agree, get the best coach we can roster be dammed, get a guy in here who can get the most out of our team not our over paid turnover machine of a QB. Jay is what he is and he is what he always has been, tons of raw tallent and ability, but will never be more than potential. Sure our offense did not play to his strengths but we've seen McCown and even Clausen.... even Jimmy freaking Clausen looked competent running the offense given rarely playing. I feel like if we base who we hire on who we think can get the most out of Jay? We've seen that movie it bombed at the box office. If the Bears decide based on Jay they are handcuffing our search efforts to someone who can sell the McCaskey's that they can fix Jay and get he most out of him. The Bears have tried to build an offense around him and it's just not working. We need to search for the best coach we can find and and he should take the roster as is and work with the GM (if it's Emery or someone new) and decide who he want to keep around and who to get rid of. As many others here I'm sick of this once proud franchise doing some of the most idiotic things when it comes to hiring coaches, and GM's We've tied GM's hands by saying you you've got full control but you will keep the coaching staff currently in place at least one year, to hiring assistant coaches without a Head coach in place or without his say, tying GM or coaches hands on player personel decisions, etc. An earlier topic talked about structure and at any given time it's hard to know which inmate is running this asylum. Point is George needs to have the stones to do what is needed to evaluate this team from ownership right down to water boy. He needs to go through and rebuild the structure with a competent chain of command. If that means get rid of Phillips, Emery, and Trestman's staff and replacing them with a football guy as team president, a proven GM, and a proven coach. And all the people have the authority and power of decision commensurate with their positions. IE coaches answer to head coach, head coach answers to the GM, GM answers to the management. George has some big decisions to make this coming off season, he had the duty of trying to right this ship and get us back on course to return to being the proud franchise that us Bears fans fondly remember.

Which warms my heart cause I can't stand "Johnny Football" and all the hype for a guy who's really not that good.

That's a given. Go Lions! Don't want the pukers to win the division.

10 team PPR league Current lineup: QB Brady @ NYJ RB Forte vs DET RB McCoy @WAS WR Nelson @ TB WR Beckham @ STL TE Olsen vs CLE Flex Hopkins vs BAL K Prater @ CHI Def Bills @ Oak Bench QB STafford @ CHI RB Forsett @ HOU WR H. Douglass @ NO WR Landry vs MIN WR M. Wallace vs MIN Def Packers. While it's be hard to bench Forte or McCoy… I have to admit they both make me nervous. Forte has been underused lately and the offense has been awful. McCoy has struggled much of the year last week 3 TD's got vultured. Do you trust either or both of these guys? I could replace one with Forsett, and drop a D and pick up Asiata, Vareen, or someone else. Also looking iffy for hopkins. If J. Jones misses Douglass could be a good play but so could either of my Dolphins WR's Landry and Wallace The team I'm up against QB Luck @DAL RB Lynch @AZ RB Le'Veon Bell vs KC WR D. Jackson vs PHI WR Maclin @ WAS TE Kelcie @PIT Flex S. Watkins @OAK K Crosby @ TB Def Rams vs NYG

Cutler is as he always has been. He has built a career off of "potential" but reality is that's all he ever will be is unrealized potential. When he's on he's incredibly good, unfortunately that's a rare thing and usually cancelled out and drowned out by his general poor play and brain farts. He is an average to below average QB with moments of greatness that people cling to as hope that those moment become more the norm. The contrast last night between Jay and Drew was stark to say the least and more than once pointed out by the broadcast team in how Jay should sit and watch tape of Brees and then watch tape of himself. He practically does everything a QB is taught not to do. Stares down his targets, third down more often than not will throw medium to deep to a guy well covered but ignore the guy wide open beyond the sticks, his footwork is sloppy and that is making his timing, and accuracy drop significantly, he holds the ball way too long, even when a guy is wide open and will stare at him allowing the d to make a play on the ball or sack him by the time he actually throws.

if we had half a dozen or so games to goI could see firing him now, but at this point we have 2 games left, do we really gain anything? I know in general we are embarrassed as fans and knee jerk reaction is fire all now for the emotional satisfaction but that is only beneficial if you have someone in house who's capable of taking over and can evaluate. For 2 games you'd have an interim coach trying to evaluate players in a system they won't be running next year. Which is why I feel if we would have fired him earlier this season would have made more sense. But that's never been the Bears style, and I can't recall us ever firing a coach in season. Knowing he's getting canned and possibly Emery too is with 2 games left is good enough for me. I would like to see Harbaugh or Rex Ryan. I agree with the point about Cower being out of the NFL too long though it's not like he hasn't been plugged in and tuned in to what's going on. Unlike Trestman who was away from the NFL for almost a decade. I've always enjoyed Cower's insight. It is too bad about Gruden signing long term to ESPN. He certainly has passion and thought he was going to blow a gasket during the game last night with how furious he was getting with practically everything the Bears did, none of which I disagreed with that I can recall. We definitely need someone with passion and someone who will command respect. Should Emery go we need to get someone who knows a thing or two about building an NFL roster to win. I get so tired of waiting for draft day only to see us draft like we're the know it all and can find the gems that no one else sees. Not saying buy into the hype on prospects but I know I'm not the only one sick of the WTF head scratching selections where we have to talk ourselves into not being upset about. For once I'd like to see the draft end and feel like we were one of the teams that had a hell of a draft. In recent memory I can only think of a few players we've drafted that actually have made a solid impact on our team. Jeffery, Long, Fuller (early in the season), Carrey has looked good when he's gotten in the game. I get tired of watching other teams draft impact player after impact player and we get these fools gold guys who are often below average to mediocre at best. I have to admit I'm jealous of the Packers being mostly a home grown team where almost their entire roster was drafted and they supplement occasionally with FA to compliment their team. In contrast the Bears build through FA/trades cause ethey can't draft worth crap.

Same here Bears are my fav team second favorite is who ever is playing the Packers, third fav whoever is playing the cowboys unless it's the Packers in which case I remain neutral cause I can't bring myself to root for either. In our Division I'm rooting for Detroit to take it. I sure can't wait till GB's luck runs out and they return to yearly suckitude they and their fans could stand being humbled. I enjoyed every min of the Packers Bills game for multiple reasons. We have an annoying fantasy owner in our league who likes to brag especially as the #1 seed in our fantasy playoffs got humbled by the #4 seed due to Rodgers and R. Jennings getting re-injured. That set the stage for me as the #2 seed facing off against the #4 seed for the Championship this weekend. Fantasy has been my silver lining this season. Since week 3 I've gone 10-2 and have been dominating the league. But once fantasy is over I'll quickly run out of reason to watch NFL football.

lol yeah you can pretty much start a new round every quarter. I know it's bad when what I see out there no longer makes me furious. We are laughably bad.

Was listening to the score before the pregame and they gave me an idea. Bad Bears Bingo. I made a list of all the typical dumb things the Bears do in a course of a game and made up a bingo card of those things and as I see it happen on screen, I place a bingo chip LOL Might as well find a way to entertain myself while watching this disaster of a football team.

Key being as much as I hate saying this Green Bay knows how to draft. Bears don't. The idea of growing your team through the draft is great but requires good scouting and skilled drafting. Something no one can really accuse the Bears of in quite some time. We've hit on a few here and there but not often enough to build through the draft.

Trade Cutler for RG3? No and why? IMO it'd be like trading one lemon car for another or swapping totaled cars. Neither are worth much. Both are injury prone, have awful mechanics and both inconsistent. No thanks. I'd rather trade Cutler for something that can help us like picks or someone who has potential. Someone might be desperate enough to give us something for Jay. Some team might think they can be the one to harvest Jay's potential.

can't say he has no heart, dude played through a lot of physical issues till he could no longer do so.

No don't rest Forte, I need him for my fantasy playoff run he can rest in week 17 lol

Many of us were fooled, I remember when his name came up I didn't even know who he was and him being a canadian league coach I thought it was a joke. Now I wish it was. I'll admit that through the process I came to like the idea. An offensive coach that was sold as an aggressive coach, a guy who many touted as a QB guru, I for one fell for it and started drinking the kool-aid that perhaps finally the Bears had their ducks in a row. Even was willing to write off the D's bad year last year as new coaching staff, lots of injuries, etc. The offense was one of the top scoring offenses in the league last year so along with many here and in Bears nation felt that another year in the system and the offense should remain potent and even take steps to get better. With the additions made on the D through FA and draft fell that if our D could get to even average. This could be a special year. But then reality set in…. Offensively I think we're more inept than we were before Trestman was brought in. Jay looks no more fundamentally sound than he was before. Sure some stats will say his game has improved but stats don't show the true picture. For an offensive guru/QB whisperer, we have seen an offense that plays scared till it's too late in a game and the hole is too deep. Situational play calling makes no sense and our lack of discipline puts us behind the 8 ball almost every drive. Can't count how many drives have gone in reverse. Dumb repeated sideline WR screens that fool no one. How many times has this series of events happened: 1st down sidline WR screen for short yardage or loss, 2nd down and long handoff for a couple, 3rd down false start or holding or both on consecutive 3rd downs. 3rd and long poorly executed pass play or we hand it off again. 4th down punt. There is no sense of urgency or apparent plan. There's no rhyme or reason on when we run, when we throw short, or when we pass long other than it seems like in each situation we call the wrong type of play for that situation. We were sold fools gold. Defensively our expectations weren't very high even with the additions because there was serious reason to doubt Tucker was fit to be a DC. What the injuries we've had has done has led us to field one of the most inexperienced and youngest D's I won't use that as an excuse, because what I see week in and week out, is poor fundamentals, players out of place, over running things, taking bad angles and just a look of general confusion. In a rebuilding of the D and that is what we have here, I see little to build on. That goes to drafting and roster management. And goes to coaches not having their players ready, and it goes to players themselves not playing well. What you look for is progress, young players getting better, I don't see that. In fact I see the opposite here. I see players regressing. Special teams needs little mention as they have sucked last year and this year. Losing Dave Toub killed our special teams. Every game proves that we need someone who knows what he's doing coaching this group. True we lost Hester and really don't have anyone returning kicks that scares anyone. But lets' be honest Hester's career is waining. Hindsight is always 20/20 it's clear now that Trestman was the wrong call. He may be a nice guy, but he is way in over his head as a head coach in the NFL. I remember a few weeks back or so on the Score forget which show, but they read off trestman's resume' season by season noting offensive ranking and QB stats etc. There was a definite pattern. First year there would be good results but every successive season there was regression, followed by him getting fired. As a coach in college and pros I think there was one place he lasted 3 years everywhere else he was fired after 2. Then came the Canadian team and he stuck as head coach for 5 years and his team won grey cups. Up north is different. Different game, different rules, different type of players. In Canada the players aren't multi million dollar egos but rather are lower paid and more so playing for the love of the game than worrying about wanting the be the highest paid at their position. Is he an offensive guru? Is he a QB whisperer? Sure his offenses and QB's put up big numbers early on in each of his stints. But you could also argue that quite often he took over situations where the talent was there. One could argue a lot of his success was due in part to inherited talent, rather than talent he developed. Another thing is what's new has the best chance to be effective on offense because no one has film on that offense. The longer you have a system in place the more film on it and the more defenses adapt. That is when you need to step up your game and be creative, and work to stay ahead of the curve. Status quo may work initially but pretty soon the curve passes you by and if you don't adapt things will fizzle out. That is what I see happening here and that is the pattern that has followed Trestman throughout his coaching career.

and there we have it, the obligatory Cutler pick to complete the debacle

we don't have special teams…. we have special ed. This whole team rides the short bus

I'm still a bit miffed about the sequence of events from the play that forte fumbled on to the TD for Dallas. 1. The play forte fumbled on, one of the Dallas D-lineman jumped offsides, so it should have been an offsides/free play. We'd accept the penalty negating the fumble. 2. That TD pass was not a TD. His knee hit then the ball contacted the pylon should have been down at the 1/2 yard line. They reviewed it and still blew the call. Now the TD was inevitable wether the gave it to Beasly or if it would have been first and goal at the 1/2 yard line. What miffed me is that I have Forte on my fantasy team and that fumble cost me points, and my opponent this week has Romo and that gave him a long TD pass…. had it been correctly called they'd have probably ran it in for the score. I'm only watching this game because of the fantasy implication for my team. I don't see us winning more than 1 game the rest of the year. As I type this Jeffery just got a TD pass, but even with that we are in the 4th Quarter and have only mustered 13 points. How pathetic can we get. Dallas is not a defensive juggernaught. But then again the weakest D in the league would probably look formidable against our unimaginative, predictable, impotent offense.

Now wouldn't that be ironic... people asking Mike McCaskey to come in and save the day...... And now we have reached an all time low. This team has hit rock bottom and has begun to dig.

This was a very uninspiring win against a very uninspiring Vikings team. A rookie QB, no real WR threat, a backfield split between two backups. In a sense we are like the vikings in that neither of us has an identity. What is the Chicago Bears? Are we a passing team, running team, do we hang our hat on our D, are our special teams something to talk about? Nope... none of the above. The Bears are a collection of individuals who may have talent in their own right but the whole is less then the sum of it's parts. From the second half of the 2006 season on Rex Grossman was labeled good Rex bad Rex. Well now we have 126 million dollar version of Grossman. We have a great RB who's best years have been wasted on a team that can't avoid shooting itself in the foot. There is no true leadership on this team. Things like leadership, accountability are merely concepts we pay lip service to. I remember an interview a few weeks or so ago with Bostic and the host asked "we hear a lot about accountability but what does that look like? How does that play out?" and Bostic never directly answered or even came close to addressing it. Just saying your accountable means nothing if there's no meaning behind it. We hear there is leadership but again a well lead team shows that in how it prepares, plays, and acts. I see a dysfunctional disorganized undisciplined team. You have a WR who offers money to fight a fan, GM tells him to back down and player just says screw you and the coach doesn't even say what he did was wrong just that we'll address it. This no backbone, laid back approach may work in Canada but it sure as hell doesn't work in the NFL. If your players don't respect your authority congrats you've just lost the team. We have no identity nothing to hang our hat on and say "this is what we're about, we're good at this" Our identity is we're just not good at football. The time management shouldn't still shock me but it was soon maddening and sent such a mixed signal. You force a punt with just over 1 min in the half call a time out to preserve clock... Then first play you hand it off for a short gain. You then mill around for nearly 30 seconds while you meander up to the line. You begin to show a sense of urgency only after you've squandered almost an entire min and have to heave the ball down the field trying to make up for lost time only to throw a pick on an under thrown (rushed) pass. What the hell? You don't call that time out if your not intending to try and get at least into FG range.... but to use the timeout and then proceed to piss the clock away. What is the plan/point? Answer there is no plan; we are making this up as we go. Not even sure why I watched this game. Morbid curiosity maybe.... I do have Forte on my fantasy team who by the way seems to be one of the few guys who truly seems to give a crap. Good or bad he leaves it all out there that run in the second half is a perfect example of determination. That said compared to the NE and GB game I did see a team putting forth more effort and energy. But sill too much talent to not be playing better. As a fan I never want to see my team lose or lose out. But if they happen to lose enough that changes happen then that is the silver lining. If we somehow put it together and start playing well and I mean up to the expectations we had going into the season, meaning Offense playes at or above the level it did last year, and the D plays average. Regardless of record, if at the end of the year we see signs that the team has snapped out of it and gotten back on track and is heading in a good direction I'm all for keeping Trestman but would still like to see Joe D, and possibly Tucker sent away with the goal to get better coaches. This would mean we are showing that we are developing players and drafting outside the top 10 wouldn't be as bad. If we continue the way we've played and the team continues playing uninspired, heartless, undisciplined football then I'm hoping regardless of record we seriously look at cleaning house and that means dead weight players, coaches, and if possible key management. Something needs to be done to salvage this once proud franchise. We need to seriously look at how much to cut out to save the patient. Even if the surgery puts us in a hole next year. It is worth it if it helps the long term status of the Bears.

Who would you trade for Golden Tate or Alshon Jeffery?

all throughout that game I kept thinking it would be worth 15 yard penalty and perhaps getting tossed from the game and fined/suspended for smacking that irritating arrogant grin off that asshat's face.. Heck the'd be the first sign of life on this team in a while.

When you look at last year and how promising this offense looked and we were high scoring and moving the ball. Then fast forward to this year and struggling is an understatement. Pretty much the same team on offense, same coaches, same system. It can make one scratch their head. But in the NFL teams learn quickly and an offense that caught many by surprise last season has not grown but regressed and it's predictability has giving the rest of the league the ability to easily shut it down. We're not talking an offense devoid of talent, we have an average offensive to good offensive line, we have a great all purpose back, we have plenty of talent at WR/TE. We have weapons, but like a loaded gun in the hands of an idiot often leads to self inflicted wounds. That is what we have here. Being held back by an unimaginative offense and a QB with an affinity for turnovers and brain farts. We have a defense that we spent money trying to "fix" in free agency that is so broke I don't see how you fix it. It is embarrassing I have very little desire to watch any more bears football outside of the effect it has on my fantasy team since I have Forte and this week currently have the vikings D. And may just pick up whatever D is playing the bears that weak and their offensive players. How ironic that my attitude towards my Bears, now matches that of it's 126 mil dollar mistake of a QB…. don't care...

Thing is this offense looks like there is no real plan. Trestman on sideline the deciding on the play to run 2nd and forever "should we run it? *shakes magic 8 ball* Yes "lets do that thing where we hand it off to the guy next to the QB"

should have kept McCown and cut Jay. McCown isn't a franchise QB but he sure as heck fit what our Offense is designed to do, clearly Jay doesn't fit any offense what a 126 million dollar f up.