BearFan2000

hopefully he is ok. I feel bad for Peanut he's had such bad luck with Injuries. I like him as a player and as an individual. A great guy, but as much as I hate to say it, it's probably time to move on without him just like Mike Brown. Why is it that when we finally find guys that are impact players and then they become injury prone....

Offense has gone into hibernation Defense now letting the vikings have whatever they want and when ever they want. end result a valiant effort for 3 Qtrs and then we lay down and die. Favre is getting all this love, but the Bears are laying down now.

Jay's pick tonight was totally his fault. Run and slide or chuck it into the first row would have been better options. He was out of the pocket so he had no reason not to at the very least throw it away. I will say that 22 of 25 being his fault is BS. It makes me question how closely he "studied film." Broadcast crews often get lazy and take the easy angle on stories and just regurgitate what others have said. Jay statistically has a high number of picks but the percentage that are is fault is not as high as gets reported. He has had virtually no help from the other 11 on the field. Bad picks happen to all QB's no matter how good or bad.

saying lovies good at anything is laughable

This is a big part of why we will end up losing. Jay's pick was not a good decision. there's those huge holes in the coverage that we have come to loathe

was on the ground and rather than touch him down the vikes player choses to land on him. In the process his leg gets rolled. Sure hope it's not serious.

They were both pushing each other should have been a non call.

What an odd experience... On one hand I'm actually enjoying how the Bears are playing, seeing Favre sulking on the sidelines, knowing that with a win we can deny Minny the #1 seed and they could and up without a bye in the first round LOL On the other hand it is irritating that when we have played like crap all year we finally see good good coaching, effective pass protection, effective running, a solid passing game, solid red zone offense, special teams playing well, and defense doing well. Can our coaches only coach well when their backs are against the wall and their jobs are in jeopardy? It should not take this situation to motivate our coaches or team to step up.

Holy shit we actually got a pass interference call and Olsen wasn't murdered to get it.

Williams should have been starting all year. He has looked good and natural. This time around they are actually helping with chip blocks. Pass protection and a little success running the ball and Jay looks like a totally different QB. Further proof that the O-Line has to be a priority. When Jay has time to read the play as it develops he isn't forced to throw it to where his first read should be with defensive linemen breathing down his neck he is pretty darn accurate and can truly use that cannon of an arm. Fix the Line and you go a long way towards fixing the offense. Jay's 25 pics have a lot to do with virtually no protection, no run game, and little chance to get comfortable in a game. At the end of the day people will focus on 25 and say Jay sucks but forget that one man can't do it all. Forte as well has looked sharp, he is using better vision on his runs. Even a decent run game works wonders and makes the play action a possibility. It also takes pressure off the QB. Play calling we are actually seeing play calling that caters to Jay's strengths not forcing him to be what he's not. This so far is Ron's best game calling this season. Now on the flip side I do feel that the Vikings felt they'd just come here and have their way and who can blame them we've given plenty of reason to think that way. They are now trying to turn it on down 16-0. My guess is we will still lose because our coaches can't adjust in game. Once the vikes get their crap together they will take over the game.

now a pass interference Tillman gets pushed but he's called for the interference.....how typical.

We are actually seeing good play calling. They are rolling cutler out, using protection packages to keep him upright and give him time to throw. Amazing how those things are helping Jay look like the QB we gave up so much for. What puzzles me is we are 2 weeks from the end of the season and are just now playing at a level we were hoping to see when the season started. If we do in fact win this one good game plan and effort cannot overshadow the poor preparation of the past 14 weeks. If anything it's more an indictment of the coaching staff that the same players that were inept for the better part of the season that are playing well tonight. And just as I type it we call 3 straight dumb calls. Things are going well Ron tries to get cute and clever so he goes away from what was working.

a pass interference no call on 3rd and goal, just now well after the whistle blows Clark is pushed and then thrown to the ground and no foul.... what has to happen to warrant a freaking penalty? Dose a Bears player have to get injured or killed? Such freaking BS. The first would have resulted in first and goal at the 1 instead at fourth and goal at the 4 we kick a 22 yard FG The second would have been an automatic first down, instead 3rd down and we have an incomplete pass and kick another fg on 4th down. Non calls hurt us as much as the bad ones do.

not to be antagonistic but what would that actually prove? They already have your money for the game what do they care if we even show up? Heck it doesn't seem to bother them that the team doesn't even show up. Same thing for the add and the billboard. Neither will do any good. Groups popping up asking for fan donation to put up signs, adds, and whatnot smell fishy to me. Scammers make a lot of money by latching on to issues that people are emotionally charged about. They want you to think with your emotions rather than brains. I'd be leery of anyone like that. Now sure this particular gesture would cost the ticket holders nothing to wait till after the opening kickoff. Will it happen? no I highly doubt it. But the end result will be the same. Since when has team management cared about what fans think. The stadium will be full no matter what. The Bears are the Cubs of the NFL Win, lose, or draw fans will still come. Management is only concerned about doing what will financially benefit them the most. Meaning the team has to only be successful enough to dangle hope. I know this sounds pessimistic and negative and maybe I'm just in a bad mood. main point being be careful of people who will take advantage of the emotional frustration we as fans feel.

but we're going to trick them by not doing the predictable smart thing. We are so clever. Doing the opposite of what would be conventionally logical does not make you clever it makes you an idiot. What's sad is he actually thinks he's being clever and when it doesn't work it's the players not executing. It's one thing to try to catch someone off guard by running a play call that may not be expected at that point because you've set it up throughout the game. It's another to decide to double team the weakest DE on their team and let one of the better DE's in the league stay one on one against a geriatric tackle and then a virtual rookie. Your goal should be to negate their best D-lineman not make his job easier. Turner would probably get the first question wrong on Are you Smarter than a 5th Grader. Heck he'd probably fail at are you smarter than a pre-schooler. It's football 101 Ron..... EPIC FAIL

Just when I though no one could get dumber than the Bears coaching staff I stumbled across this nugget. All I have to say is what the hell were they thinking when they drew this up? The Redskins "Trick Play"

I just wonder if that important McCaskey is in fact Virginia. She's the closest we've got to Papa Bear and she may feel it's time to step up and not let this team that her Father built be flushed further down the crapper. Someone in this organization needs to put their foot down and end this. The though of Jerry pulling a power play at first to me sounded absurd but it really does make sense and really would be the best last ditch effort to save his own skin. What do gain by letting Smith continue this charade for two more games? What more could we lose by axing him now? There's two games left on the schedule but the team quit trying 5 weeks ago. So what if we let an interim coach handle the remaining two games and we loose out... it's not like we'll do better than split them at best anyway. Besides even if we do split them (Lions win, Vikings loss) we still end up 6-10 and aren't going anywhere anyway. We could use these two weeks to aggressively pursue a real coaching candidate like Cower. Sure Lovie runs a country club, and bringing in a guy like Cower would not sit well right away but I think once players see that the team is committed to winning and that a guy like Cower could provide that kind of leadership players will start to buy in. The ones that want to be lazy and not work can be shown the nearest exit as they are part of the problem.

I'm surprised he actually admitted that they are a bad team. Figured you'd get the typical "their a good football team, and we have to give them credit" "we didn't anticipate that they would come out do strategic things like throwing the football, running the football and scoring TD's. Their decision to use logic completely caught us off guard. We were not prepared for that approach to football game, since we have banned the use of logic and strategy by replacing them with a deck of flash cards so we wouldn't have to think. We were unsure how to counter so we decided to just guess. We compounded it by poor execution on the field. We'll have to look at the film to see exactly what we could have done better. I wasn't paying much attention during the game so I'll have to get back with you on specifics."

Things would be different if we ended up 5-11 but were in every game and played hard and were over matched we have been blown out badly how many times? Our wins haven't felt like wins, and you have to be blind to not see what a total disaster this team is from top to bottom. If Angelo is honest in his assessment of himself he should resign but I doubt he'll be that hard on himself which makes me think shouldn't someone else be the one to evaluate Jerry, Lovie, and Ron? That's like asking a cheater to grade his own paper. He's not stupid, he knows the hatred that the fan base has for Lovie and Ron and my bet is that if he does in fact cut Lovie and his staff that he will hope that appeases the fans. But his player evaluations and drafting issues are well known and Documented. The question becomes if Lovie and his staff get the axe what are the odds that Jerry does as well? If Lovie and his staff are axed but Jerry stays and brings in Cower with his friend to help with player evaluation and drafting could this work would Jerry be willing to share the management of the team? The reality is this situation can't just be blown off and if you bring back Lovie but cut Ron, who are you going to get with any credibility as OC to work for a lame duck coach? Same can be said for a defensive coordinator. If Lovie stays next year and then gets canned a new coach will want to bring in his guys and you will have a franchise QB who needs stability having 3 different coordinators in three seasons. The hard right decision here is to make a commitment to wining and bring in a new staff and possibly new GM. And a real hard look at the roster and start to rebuild this team. I'm not defending Angelo but if you have an idiot for a head coach and twiddle de and twiddle dumb are your idiot coaches coordinators who have a combined IQ big enough to possibly tie their shoes it could be said that it wouldn't matter who you draft or bring in. If your staff has no ability to develop and utilize talent then it becomes tough to truly evaluate talent that a GM drafts or brings in. But the flip side is there are moves that Angelo has made that just make you scratch your head. I don't know right now there are so many questions swirling around in my head bout the Bears that I honestly don't know what to think anymore. If we were to bring in Cower and still suck then what? In some ways I seriously think this team is cursed and wonder if they'll ever get it right. After watching todays game, first thought was.... "there's 3 hours I won't get back" I don't know why I even bother watching this train wreck of a team, is it morbid curiosity? Normally a game like this would make me mad and want to throw projectiles at the TV but I don't even get mad anymore because this is what I've come to expect from the Bears. So the turnover machine that is our offense no longer surprises me. The only question now when we get the ball is will we punt or will we turn it over and on a good looking drive what will we do to screw it up, will it be penalties or a turnover. Every once in a while they surprise me and locate the end zone but forget to draw themselves a map so they can find it again later. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while

Being born in 77 I was not alive then but you are right there have been worse stretches and I was simply using the current decade as an example. Longest stretch between playoff appearances was 1963-1977 which was 14 years! So this past decade isn't the driest spell but looking at the current NFL landscape and seeing teams go from non factors to perennial playoff teams like the colts, Patriots, Saints, to name a few. While our team seems stuck on mediocre with a few good seasons sprinkled in here and there. This is a list of the Bears playoff appearances. 1933, 1934, 1937, 1940, 1941, 1942, 1943, 1946, 1950, 1956, 1963, 1977, 1979, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1994, 2001, 2005, 2006

They were discussing this the other day on the score and it's starting to hit the fan. players throwing coaches under the bus, coaches throwing players under the bus, fans throwing palyers and coaches under the bus, a very busy bus. Things at Halas Hall are coming unglued. Lovie may have lost the team on the field by mid season but he has now lost them completely this team. The Bears are a team with no sense of direction or purpose. Players do not fear Lovie and do not fear speaking their minds and it's like they are now taking up positions and posturing for what they'd like to see happen. They were talking about how when this stuff happens that Lovie is one step closer to getting canned and he better hang on to those cardboard boxes. The fans and the players know there needs to be major changes in order to turn this around and you have the management and front office trying to downplay it. As for Hester's "retraction" and I only heard part of it so don't flame me if I'm wrong here they were talking about someone from within the Bears organization posting on Hester's twitter page. Saying the comments didn't sound like something Hester would say I don't know if they were referring to how it was worded or something like that. Again I only heard parts of it so I may have heard that wrong but I do remember them saying that they thought that Hester's twitter page was hijacked by a team rep in an attempt to put out fires. It's hard to believe that just 3 years ago we were on our way to the playoffs as the #1 seed and would later play in the super bowl. How far this franchise has fallen each year since has been worse than the preceding year. The year after the super bowl is fairly common where the looser has a setback year but usually the next season they are back to form but not us. We got worse, then this year we topped that by getting much worse we went from bad to disastrous. When you really look at the bigger picture it's sad because even in the comments about "getting back to that form" we are closing in on a decade since the turn of the century and we have had 3 playoff appearances(2001, 2005, 2006) two of those ending after the first postseason game (2001, and 2005) and of course 2006 going to the big game. The Bears bigger problem is we aren't built to be a perennial post season team we have break out years but then quickly return to bad years again. The whole direction, focus, mentality, structure for this team needs to change we cannot be happy with a handful of decent to good seasons that are overshadowed by the quantity of bad seasons. I get tired of seeing teams that are seemingly always in the playoffs and wishing that was us that somehow we'd get our heads out of our arses and build a team in chicago that could be a contender almost every year. There's a reason people call our playoff run seasons flukes, and lucky because when you look at the bigger picture they do look like flukes and lucky seasons. We aren't the only team with this problem but that's what I think separates the well run franchises and the half arsed run franchises the good ones know how to build their teams for success today as well as tomorrow the bad ones rely on luck, be it health, bounces, flukes, overachievements, etc to be relevent for a season or so and that's good enough. This team doesn't just need changes at personnel, coaching, management, the Bears need to be reborn.

someone during the game or in the postage made the comment about Jay not quite trusting the receivers to be where they should be and that he's forced to throw what he sees and not what he anticipates. General rule of thumb is that when a guy is open you waited too long to make the play. Defenses tend to close gaps and holes in the secondary fairly quickly... well, defenses other than the Bears ours just get progressively bigger as the play goes on. You watch Jay and he tends to hold the ball too long and throws when the receiver is open and that give defenses time to recover and make a play on the ball. He's so used to getting hit early that he feels pressure that really isn't there yet. I don't get the sense that he trusts either his line protection or his WR's not that I blame him. As mentioned earlier in the thread we basically have a bunch of guys who have limited action at WR in the NFL whether is a rookie like Knox, a second year player in Bennet who last year rarely saw the field, to DA who has bounced around a few teams practice squads and has seen little action, to a guy in Hester who's only been at the position for 2 1/2 years with no prior WR experience, and a QB who is new to his team and coaching staff. There is virtually no chemistry and that takes time before a QB works with his WR's enough that they can anticipate what the other is thinking and make the same reads. The NFL game is so fast that you need that chemistry in order to anticipate and right now we don't. Jay has been given little to work with, no blocking, no running game, lack of experience at WR, and bad coaching. He's been dealt a shitty hand and expected to win with it. Just not realistic and I admit I put too high of expectations on the offense this year as well as the defense who came into the season healthy but struggled from the get go. We can't just bring in a Franchise QB and magically expect that to solve all of our problems. Honestly the season is over for all intents and purposes so at this point throw out the stats and use the remainder of the schedule to work on building that chemistry the pressure to win isn't there and the stats are ugly now so at this point who cares what they end up like at the end of the season. I like that Jay is taking the time to talk with his receivers and not get pissed at them or just sit and pout. It's almost like he's kind of moved on. Earlier in the season when things went pair shaped he seemed to sulk a little and his mannerisms could be interpreted as childish but Jay is a competitor and he wants to win so badly I'd me much more concerned if he acted like nothing wrong like some coach we know. Right now I think is his opportunity to step up and take control of his offense and be the leader they desperately need. While this season has been rocky at best sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you can build it up. That's how it's been where I work. We had over 100 people May of 2008 and in a span of about 8 months we dropped to our current number which is 40 but the company is rebounding those of us that survived the tumultuous period have a certain bond and our company is stronger now for it. Sometimes the toughest seasons can build the strongest bonds and team chemistry. I don't foresee major changes to the Bears this offseason outside of OL possibly adding a WR with experience, and hopefully new coaching. I look for our WR corp and Jay to continue to develop with a full offseason, OTAs, mini-camps, camp and preseason.

that and holding there has been a lot of non calls and it often seems to be on key plays like a third down where not only do we not get the call we don't get the completion and have to punt. Our defensive line gets held a lot too. What makes it irritating is they will not call what should obviously be pass interference and later we'll get called for an iffy penalty like a phantom hold. But, just like any other sport the officiating favors those who have a better record and have more notoriety. This kind of bias shows up in all sports. A virtual no name can be mugged going to the basket and no foul or even worse they are called with a foul. While it seems you so much as breathe on the star player and it's a foul. It's not right but that's just how it is. Officials should call things as they see it not based on who they see do what.

and he has a pulse

he's Brian Cox in an Offensive Lineman's body