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We'd have to get a 1st rounder back to get Cushing I think!
And he's supposedly on 'roids as well. See PFT for rumour details.
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Let's also not forget the Billichick - Pioli connection.
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I just added to the reasons why Cassel was traded cheap!
Also, Cassell is not Cutler!QFT!
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Some of you guys are acting like I'm asking why did Cutler require more value? Duh. I asked why he required insanely more. Cassell was practically given away for free. In fact I can't fathom how Denver wasn't able to aquire Cassell if they wanted him so much. All they had to do was give up a second rounder and not require Vrabel and it would have been a better deal. In fact, why didn't Cassell become a Bear (remember we didn't know Cutler would be available yet)? We could have easily beaten that and had great depth with two promising young QB's at the very least...all for nothing more than a second rounder.
I guess the best answer I've heard is that the two coaches were buddy-buddy, but that's still pretty far-fetched. Also, apparently JA was never going to offer 2 first rounders but just threw his hands up and did it when crazy Daniel Snyder started screwing things up. He may have already informed Kyle of his intentions and just wasn't going to go back ofter that.
Don't forget the fact that the Patriots needed to get rid of one of their QBs if they didn't want to tie up 20-25% or so of their salary cap in one postition... Cassel was supposed to get $14 millions or so as a franchised QB and I believe that Brady's cap number was even higher (I'm not sure of the exact numbers here, but they are in the ballpark). IMO, that's a big incentive to trade Cassel below market value!
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Orton does have a strong arm. His accuracy on the long ball on the other hand... That is a completely different issue...
I remember from camp last year, Kyle was reported to outthrow Rex.
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Dawhizz: You're right. It was the All star game and Norwood. I somehow confused with the Shrine game.
Found it on Youtube:
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Butler was the only Penn State receiver on the roster for the Shrine Game this year so I assumed it was him. I don't remember the players name from the event, but I remember that he was from Penn State. So there where more players performing than was on the roster?
http://www.shrinegame.com/rosters/84th_Eas...ical_Roster.pdf
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These are the guys who I watched play and think are NFL caliber players that are not being talked about as much as they should be. The list:
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Deon Butler Penn State-his height is the knock against him but his speed and ability to go up and get the ball in the air is what I like about him. I see him as Bobby Engram with more speed.
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This kid got sick hands! I watched some WR exercise from the Shrine game (I believe). They used the ball throwing machines to shoot balls from 4 directions and he snapped every ball out of the air. I believe Nicks was the second best with like 3 drops out of 8. I wouldn't mind to take chance if he's available in the later rounds
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Or his performance was blown up 'cause he played on a great Alabama team that received more press than they might deserve? Did you watch many Alabama games or are you going of what is written about him (not accusing you, just curious)? I am very concerned regarding his work ethic and would stay way clear of him in the draft.
Here is an opinon that begs to differ regarding Smith: http://walterfootball.com/mattblog.php
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This move really shows how CHEAP and unwilling to get real talent on the field. Before the offseason began I did a rundown of all the Free Safties there were. The only one that I saw worth getting was Otogwe. As soon as that was gone it was slim pickins. Might as well just keep Mike Brown and get a FS in the draft. But, we shun Mike Brown and get this GARBAGE? Bullocks was rated as the worst FS. He is coming from the worst secondary in the NFL.
I can hear Angelo say, "he comes cheap so we might as well pick him up for a new project". If we were going to be a REAL team, we would have tried for at least Sharper. At this point I am so fed up with how this offseason has turned out and the rumors of Angelo being tied down by the owners are killing me. This really makes me wonder where this franchise has come. We have been a pretty big laughing stock these past couple years. And you wonder why the Chicago writers even hate the Bears.
I'm sorry for the vent, but I know I'm not the only one that feels this way.
He has signed for one year, $1.2 million with $525,000 guaranteed. If he's a complete failure he'll be cut after TC. And best of all, he is a natural FS. I can't say it's not a at least a decent deal. No safety on the roster last year could cover anything. Sorry but that's why Mike Brown was let go into FA. Sharper is old as well and a Strong Safety. Not exactly what is needed in Chicago ATM.
Edit: Full contract numbers from http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/03/bu..._revisited.html
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The guy that succesfully projects the comp. picks for the draft has posted his projections for this year. He's having us getting a 4th for Berrian (maybe a third) and 2 7th rounders for Gilmore and Ayanbadejo. Detailed explanations if you click the link.
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=307910
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Bears and Vikings played a preseason game in 87 here in Sweden. It was quite a big deal so even though I didn't attend the game I adopted a team to cheer for. Since most of my friends picked the Vikings (due to the Sweden-Vikings connection) I went the other way and picked the Bears. As a 10 year old boy I wasn't to fond of braids and purple...
That was my choice of team even though it took me more than 15 years before I started to follow the sport(and the Bears) on a regular basis. Due to bad TV coverage (you needed cable which I didn't have when I grew up) it was basically the super bowl I watched. Every now and then I checked the results for the Bears but nothing more than that for a long while.
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Roy Williams as SLB? He is worse than D. Manning in coverage so why would you like to bring him as a safety in a scheme that relies on the safeties to cover someone. The problem last year on the safety position was the lack of coverage!
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That line would make me real scared. Omiyale hasn't proven anything and neither has Buenning. Between the 2 of them they have 1 career start. If you Omiyale starting I want Beekman on the other side of Kruetz.
Buenning has 23 starts for Tampa. He played well there until his injurie and Tampa had already moved on by drafting the kid out of Rutgers (Zuttah) that impressed them last year!
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The gunrange was very much of a joke, yes. And I belive that T.O can be quite happy for a year or two since he's be getting the ball a lot. What other targets are there?
I realise that he is a cancer, but for a final hoorah it might be worth it. W/o any targets Orton will be out here within a year anyway.
He started (or at least played) for the Eagles in the Super Bowl. Played lights out with a cast on his leg after breaking it six weeks earlier.
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Yes! As someone stated, what is there to destroy! And if he starts badmouthing Orton, Kreutz will take him out to the FBI gunrange and problem is solved!
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EXACTLY!
Turner said himself we ran 3 step drops nearly exclusively this year to keep Orton vertical. Turner knew well our deficiencies on the OL, and tried to compensate. Does anyone think our OL will be that much better next year?
Further, Mac is far from a polished route runner. He may have all the talent in the world, but I think he would just be running around and doing little in terms of production on our team.
Give me Nicks, who I think could far better elevate the play of the entire offense.
Nicks or Britt. Britt has a higer ceiling as I see it and a slighter lower floor. I'd be excited by any of them.
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chicken and egg. If we take the position we can not try and get a franchise QB until all the pieces are in place, I guarantee you we will never get a franchise QB.
Few want to upgrade the OL as much as I, and I realize all the arguments about how a bad OL effects the QB. At the same time, if a francise QB is available, you do not say, "Well, I really like him, but I think we need to build our OL before we consider QB". Go the damn QB, and then build your OL.
Hell, I would argue that we can get Cutler and still begin to build the OL now. FA is still open, and we can add OL like Duke (for example) in the 2nd round.
Try tell that to the Lions fans that are screaming for Curry or Smith when you mention drafting Stafford at no. 1 I agree with you totally on this issue. You need to take a risk on QB if you are in position to do so!
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I would take either DHB or Maclin. I don't think we can go wrong with either guy.
Are you kidding? DHB has bust written all over him! Inexperienced in college (very underused) and mainly hyped because of speed! He might turn out great, but I suspect he'll need a good WR environment in that case.
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I voted Beatty-Britt-Byrd, although I had a hard time letting Nicks go in the first round. I also thought about getting Jenkins in the first, but then he needs to commit to play FS and I'm not that sure of that prospect.
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I have no idea either, but I rather develop him as a FS than move a starter at CB to the FS position.
His college injuires was a torn ACL that limited his playing time his junior and senior year IIRC. And then he tore his biceps this seasons. I consider those type of injuries are more of accidents than a sign of brittleness.
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From what I've read is that he doesn't have any character concerns per se. I.e no drugs, weapons, car chases etc. but that he relies a lot on his new family and he is not comfortable without them around. Basically he needs a very stable environment. Without it he won't perform as good as he has the ability to do. Speculations are that's why he somewhat underperformed at the Senior Bowl.
I don't have any links on this, but it's my understanding after reading various draft message boards.
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Yeah, I'm not ready to pencil him in as a starter! But get your guy Phillips or Wilson in FA and get Bowman as a backup FS. That'll take the pressure of the draft to get a high round FS and we can focus on OL. And more OL!
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What about Bowman as a FS candidate? He has the size and some of the scouting I read mentioned his possibilites as a FS. Sure, he's an unknown but he's on the roster and I estimate him to be ahead of only Hamilton on the depth chart at CB.
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Suggs is franchised by the Ravens.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29267302/
And we need to work more on the O-line than just take an OT in the draft. Some of that money must go to a veteran. If it's St. Clair, Barnes or someone else it doesn't really matter to me, but we need another solid veteran besides Kreutz on that line, so I'd put Housh below Barnes on your list.
Orton's value was a surprise
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Or the logical explanation: The number is retired.
From wikipedia: 18 Frank Tripucka, QB, 1960-63