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I fully see where that scenario could happen. Everything would be predicated on what we do in Fagency. If we get Trey Smith and another vet, it may cure our woes on the line. If we upgrade a few positions we could live with Shelton at OC. There is no highly rated centers in the draft that are predicted to start day one. I would not complain of that at all. If we get a Vrabel or vet coach, I could see a great Rb as a high option.

There is no overall conspricy by refs to overturn games. Football is to random of a sport to try to even implement that. Now individually, it could happen but lately refs have been getting together to go over a call and making group decisions that would deter that. The 12th player on the field has been terrible this yr but it would so hard to try to blow one call that could change a game. If a ref consistantly makes backs calls, he gets less and less job time, so to affect a game, he would be out of the league in one yr. Im not sayng it isnt possible just not probable. Use tne Bears as an example, in the Hail Mary play there could have been a holding penalty called but rarely are those ever called in games. The Bears came back in that game so it would be hard to predict that play happening to change a game. Odds of us being in that position was slim so how would you pay a ref to change the game on that one play? Also the first Minny game, we scored 11 points in 52 seconds, who would predict that to happen to get to a point to throw the game. We were already ahead of the point spread.

Last year we were 2nd in the league in rushing and didnt have as many sacks with was considered a worst OL. This year, Braxton would probably grade out the same but didnt get better. Jenkins our best O lineman, still continues as an injury risk. Bates was brought in to start at center and have only played 11% of snaps at OG because of the failure of Davis and injuries. He cant be graded do to lack of playing time. Shelton started slow but has been decent overall, definitly has earned being resigned as intern starter for a rookie or as a backup. Wright played bad to start the year but his last few games has been good. Matt Pryor is a decent backup but you dont want him as a starter. Bill Murray actual looked good but injury killed his chance. Kiran didnt have a good debut but still has upside. Kramer shouldnt be playing at all. Signed for next yr is Nate Davis, already gone, Braxton,Bates, Kiran , and Wright. I think they decide to bring back Shelton or Bates but probsbly not both. When you have a weak line you have to bring back Jenkins on a games played incentive contract. I think they bring back Bill Murray for upside and cheap, and Matt Pryor for depth. At LT Jones will be penciled in but hopefully a 1st round OT beats him out to start. I think Kiran may be moved to LG and compete with Jenkins to start. At center if Shelton is back, I suspect he starts , the only high rated FA is Dave Dalman/ATL(probably stays there) , so they probaby have Bates compete or a rookie. There isnt any high rated OCs in the draft so I doubt if they find one that could start his first year. One intriging option is Wyatt Milum, a OT that has played every spot on the line. He is a rated as a high 2nd round pick that would drfinitely be in our range . If we drafted him, he could literally be put in at any spot on the line and is projected to be a first year starter. We simply need to go after Trey Smith/RG in FA. KC is against the cap and Poles was there when they drafted him. He will be between 18-24 mil a yr. If we want to fix the OL we have to start there. Wright seems to be back on the path of high upside and can bring back Pryor as a backup. New players would be Trey Smith in FA, draft a OT and Wyatt Mium and let it play out.

We keep hiring people that have never been a HC before and it scares me to go thru a learning process with a HC. Vrabel had Matt LaFeuir and Arthur Smith as OCs, so I think he can judge a good OC to bring in. Fox was the exception because they thought we could co9mpete right away and we are in that same situation again. Whoever is the coach we will be expected to win right away.

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I agree how well teams play when they have good running games. You cant really use it in a box thou, it's many factors that affect outcome. We are within 100 yds of Chiefs, Chargers,Texans and Viking yet they are all more balanced teams and we arent very good. A better running game would have been huge for the development of Caleb this year. Also good defensive play adds to winning. I think Jeanty would have huge impact on our team, but if you dont fix the OL, that will be limited. He may be enough of a want that other teams may trade up to get him putting us in a better position to fix the trenches. Lat year picking Odunze at 9 will have great future results but not that great in his first year. Had we pickes a OL there , Im not sure it would have had a great immediate effect but could be huge in the second yr. The handful of OL picked right after us hasnt been overwelming but later picks like Zach Frazier, Puni have shined. . If we can add several OL and DL in free agency, then that would be a great option. Our next coach will value the running as well as defense if he wants to have an immsdiate impact in wins and put Caleb in a better place to be successful.

Maybe we should have a bad football thread to co exist also. Campbell makes some good decisions that look good and bad decisions that doesnt work out. In certain situations some things work and others would not be successful. A great play design could be blown up by a penalty but still would have been a good football play. Kramer blow up a perfect red zone play on a penalty and then when they did it again it worked out.

You are right stats can deceive you, football has so many random outcomes there are many examples of stats not mattering. The only stat that matters is wins and loses and so many variables are involved in that, its hard to make points on stats alone.

I think good teams have less errors to contend with during a game. Bad teams make more so each one is critical to the outcome but good and bad teams both are affected in wins and loses with strange bounces. Goff had 5 ints in a game which would normally mean a loss but did enough good things to compesate.. If you bet on football you realize how random luck is involved in a game, hard to pin point a certain data point.

Someone put a spell on us, like you said , we lose in such strange ways.

It is what it is, its not making excuses for anybody, its just taking notes as I watch the season turn into a diaster.

I've been living on the ledge since 1965, i only got to get off for a few yrs. Cant say its comfortable out there but I would like to get off for good. I agree with your prespective. People talk about Caleb being damaged with all the chaos around him, but I believe his talent will overcome that. All the negativity has us looking down at everything but I think we are only a few players away but being a consistant winner with the right coach. How would this look had the Hail Mary would not have been successful at Washington? 5-2 with lots of confidence flowing on the team. We probably would have lost on the road to AZ but won at home with NE. 6-3. The positive vibes may have gave us a few more wins even with the coaching chaos and injuries. How would it look right now with 8-9 wins? We will never know.

We dont really know whoever their choice is how it will turn out. Optitics show us he at least Vrabel would command respect and demand accountability. Has a winning record with experience. Every canidate has its good and bad points, just hope they luck out and get the right one because its still the same people deciding on the choice.

I have been looking at a lot of draft sites (because) we are losers. I just see names and dont really know depth of talent but mainly try to address positions. At each spot to take a player, instead of getting a OT first was player rated value. Example: 3rd rated DT instead of 6th rated OT, somethng like that. Trading back was just how a simulator introduced it.

Nice, I think we win this one, when we least expect it. Brown and Caleb will colaberate for a win.