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I think its an imperfect system but there are NFL teams that subscribe to them that think differently. They do customized stats for every team in the league and they pay for it. Many journalist love them. I see several snaps where he looks bad but they look at every snap and compare to other OTs in the league. I dont watch all the Ts in the league, so maybe every player has several bad snaps a game. I take PFF, my eye test and how the NFL rates then to form my opinion.

Its a big mess but since none of them will be leaving the Bears anytime soon, might as well go with, Poles wanted to do the right thing, and the brass wouldnt let him. Franchise isnt being sold anytime soon Warren will be here until the stadium is done and then run for Mayor of Chicago Poles is safe for one more year. Like you said before, the coach hire is the most important asset for this franchise but we have to wait 2 months to find out.

This I will say he is a good run blocker, if Poles has him in the mix for several positions, let the best man win. He justs needs to bring in competition at several spots. 3 draft picks and Trey Smith.

I understand your take on PFF, a very flawed system but the most complete place to compare players. Trent Williams is the best LT, but has a ton of penalties, that counts. What PFF tells me is the OTs are at least average OTs in the league. Our main problem is IOL, do you agree?

Rumors are just rumors until they prove the truth. Poles seems like a realist as a football guy. Loyal to Flus but when he lost the team willing to move on. so I have a tendancy to believe he wanted him let go after the AZ and NE games , clearly the team quit on him. I think his sounding board is Warren and Warren answers to George. They wouldnt let him. They got embarassed in Detroit, and changed their opinion. Poles biggest mistake was being loyal to Flus after finishing 5-3 at the end of last season. Things were looking up. 2nd was his OL build that blew up with Davis checking out and Bates being injured for most of the year. Shelton is actually our most consistant OL. I think I seen he was ranked as the 6th rated OC according to PFF (boo) Adam? When he sees a weakness he attacks it, I think he brings in Trey Smith at RG, and drafts the crap oot of OL. Brings back Jenkins and Shelton on team friendly deals and best man wins. Next yr Kiran A. will compete with Jones at LT and be competant depth for who loses.

good post

If Brown wins more than he loses, he may just be given the job. Look at salary, problably the cheapest option of which George will look at. MY CHOICES: Vrabel-Gruden- Brown Does Johnson have the smack in the mouth persona? I dont know

Agree ,questions with the OCs that have never been HC before. Vrabel will punch you in the mouth, experience and have had success, what he didnt have was the QB.

When Dan Campbell got the job in Detroit he said ("We're gonna kick you in the teeth, and when you punch us back we're gonna smile at you, and when you knock us down we're going to get up, and on the way, we're going to bite a kneecap off. We're going to stand up, and it's going to take two more shots to knock us down. And on the way up, we're going to take your other kneecap, and we're going to get up, and it's gonna take three shots to get us down. And when we do, we're gonna take another hunk out of you.") Media was laughing at him for his neanderthal comments. Now look at him. Toughness counts, part of the reason Flus got the job with the HITS principal but he didnt back it up. What I see ouythere that would do that is Vrabel and Bilicheck, Bills not coming here.

A new coach bump and the last 3 games as an example, I think so.

SF has their back to the wall, it wont be easy, but with their injuries, we will be in the game at the end.

That's a good list, when players get hurt and dont perform up to contracts, I give a nuetral grade. No one figures injuries. What Poles does that I like is not give a lot of big contracts that are long term hits on cap. Edmunds is an above average players but not lived up to the money. Its hard to find Edwards and Billings cheap pay , good play . Edmunds is a leader and presence in the middle of the defense that doesnt always shows up in stats. Sweat has had nagging injuries that has slowed him down. Davis and Claypool are the only players that got good money , the rest were just cheap contracts he took a shot on. He paid JJ, Kmet, DJ Moore, Sweat and Swift. Swift has not lived up to par because of the poor offensive play of OL and play calling. Sweat has been bothered by injuries. All those guys he paid deserved it. Edmunds ??? He has excellent cap space and 4 top picks 11-37-40-73, I say that is gives us a good future.

Brown is auditioning for the job, 4 or 5 wins gives him the job. 3-2 or 2-3 and Caleb keeps getting better, maybe. I like Vrabel, he seems most like a Dan Campbell type and has had success. He was doomed because of QB play, here he has it.

Obviously putting Caleb in the best position to win is the most important aspect of this offseason. It wouldnt bother me if he ends up our HC. It would be nice to have a 5 game winning streak at the end the season to prove he's the man.

Thomas Brown is auditioning in real time for the job. I think they hire someone that has already been successful as a HC instead of being the training ground for first timers. Vrabel- Kingbury-Gruden? I dont really care O or D as long as its the right coach. Quinn-DeMarco Ryan-Tomlin were all D coaches.

I hear you, this convesation is more about Poles than Flus, I gave Flus another year but he proved to me 4 games ago, he wasnt the man. I get you were right about him but I accepted the fact I didnt think Poles would dump him last year and just hoped for the best. The shine is off Poles for me but there again I dont think he's gong anywhere. So I am hoping he picks the right coach and that he fixes our trenches. I take what is the reality that someone is not getting fired so why not hope for the best and complain and hopes Poles does bad and gets fired. I am always wanting greatness, but longing for a Harbaugh type that will cost 16-20 mil a year aint getting hired by these owners. ownership.

With the offense starting to function, Allen is becoming an asset. All targets are reaping catches.

It's a disfyncunal franchise, the only way it changes is to be sold. I will accept getting it right no matter how clumsy it is. Waldron gone, Flus gone.

I dont disagree with anything you said, being a long time Bears fan demanding excellance means I would have bailed long ago because its the Bears. George and Virgina are disfyuncionable as owners. To maintain my fandome, I have to accept bad and still have hope. With Poles coming in , it changed a little with Warren being hired. I see the roster being upgrade , got a GM that considers the cap space when making moves, and the gold ring Caleb. That all gives me hope. Poles aint perfect, but like you said, if everyone fired, do you have trust they get it right next time. I trust Poles to be get this right much more than George screwing up another hire. I think we are one yr away from glory, a few yrs from a SB, changing everything now will just delay that, not speed it up. On the SCORE they reported that Poles wanted to fire Flus after the NE game, that's when he lost the team. It took a Lions embarrasment to convince George. I dont crare how we got there as long as we are there. Waldron-gone, Flus-gone. Tom Brown may not be the man but much better than we had. To have your (attitude greatness or bust) it will always be gloom until the Bears are sold. I'll take clumsy but at least it got done. If we now get some wins and Caleb keeps looking better, he will be a choice for HC next year. I prefer Vrabel or Gruden, I want experience of success instead of trial HC. NE game

I think a hater is someone that never gives credit to someone on when they deserve it but always turns everything it to a negative. I think there is a grey area in so many things, its not always black or white- good or bad. For me I support people on the Bears until they hit a point, then Im done with them. I wish i was more like you (where I give up on players-coaches ) right away, its just my nature to be loyal or look at the positive. Example ( Poles) he has some bad marks but has some good marks too. He fixed the cap, added a lot of talent-drafted Caleb. Flus turned out to be bad and some talent choices didnt work out. I dont think changing regimes every 2 1/2 yrs because the results arent there yet makes us a winner . Poles for one more year is worth watching. I heard today where Poles wanted to get rid of Flus after the NE game and the brass said no. Dont know if true or not but that is when Flus lost me. Exactly we're in a good spot ,nice you're seeing the big picture, its not all gloom and doom.

Totaly agree with you. If he goes 5-0 or 4-1, he will be close to the top of the list. They need the best choice, i think they need someone that has did it before, new hires dont have a track record on being a HC.

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Watched a video thar showed with 46 seconds left, DJ Moore ran a crossing pattern and Caleb threw a pass into the ground. No one near Moore, he would have scored and won the game. I missed that play in real time while watching the game. So many plays that changed the game, just bad karma on the Bears right now.

What record does Brown need to be given the HC after the season? 5-0, 4-1, 3-2 ? I think they will have a search for a new HC after the season, Brown will be a canidate. I think Caleb has input in keeping Brown or not that will affect their decision. I would say they probably look for someone that has been a HC before and been successful. A new hire always has a learning period as to whether he can be a HC. Nagy, Flus. Vrabel-Kingsbury-Belicheck-Gruden all fall in that catagory, Johnson does not.