Stinger226

I already know how you feel, Im kind of trying to get reactions from other members. I agree with most of your opinions, I just am trying to have a more positive take on this year to hope we get better. Would you like to make a gentlemen's bet, Leno is still on the roster this year?

Unless they dismantle the D to get a QB, if almost everyone is back, we can have a top 5 D. If they have more consistently play at QB, upgrade the OL, and give the ball to Monty, we could have a successful year. I heard The No Name Football podcast( Olin Kreutz) that had a OL guru on. He stated that the 2nd best OT in the draft is Teven Jenkins/ RT. Will definitely be there at our pick, power, technic, and nasty, but is only mentioned as a RT. So if we got him, that means if we draft another OT is will only be a LT prospect and not start this year. He also said that Leno is a competent LT. His problem is his size, so when he gets beat, it just looks bad, but is consistent most of the time. He continuedly gets ranked in the middle of LTs . So, would everyone be okay if Leno comes back for one more year with a rookie behind him? This would have Leno,-Daniels-Mustifer-Whitehair-Jenkins. That would be an upgrade over last year. He mentioned that Bars could actually end up being a starter at one of the OT spots if necessary.

The cause of Pace and Nagy being here is a 12-4 season with a double donk away from being in the NFC playoff game at home game against LA. Coach of the year gives him a few years so two 8-8s are not going to eliminate a 12-4 season. I think if this season is mediocre or bad the possibility exists Pace could be gone and Nagy stay. The talk will be he hasnt had his QB to implement his system. Fair or not fair that may happen. The talk will be is the new guy better than what you have. I think Nagy is not a good OC but may be a good coach. He is popular with his team, pushes positive vibes. Tomlin is an example, he has been successful not being a defensive or offensive guru. I think the majority of blame for this team is Pace which is drafting better the last two years w/o first round picks. PLUS having this pandemic year has forced teams to worry about the bottom line more with disruption in a normal season. Bears dont have other businesses to rely on support, Bears are it for the McCaskey's . What if , the defense is back, Quinn and Mack live up to their contracts. We get better QB play and Monty is one of the leading rushers in the league? We make the playoffs with a winning record. These two are getting extensions for better of worse.

I think they end up tagging AROB because with the team in win now mode, why would they trade him?

We dont have a lot of control over who ends up here, we have to be lucky. To stay at 20 , I dont think any of the top 5 are there, but maybe a Trask, Mills , or Mond end up being upside QBs that would not be worth the first round but as a 2nd round pic.

We are likely to be average (again) and unless they draft a QB that has a big upside, I see both Pace and Nagy gone but that will be a year from now. That does not detract me from hoping we are a winning team and the team has a good draft and we improve. Its easy to be negative and cash in, if you like being like that then change teams. I try to be optimistic and realistic at the same time, hard to do with this team. I do not see the purpose of constantly calling for the outing of Pace and Nagy when it isnt happening this year. I personally think that is one year away so I look at how we can improve the team and maybe get lucky at QB. Wilson or Watson arent happening but maybe we get lucky with ending up with a Mac Jones or Kyle Trask and they turn out good. Our foundation is probably average as far as rating rosters in the NFL. Plus players: Mack is an above average player even if he hasnt lived up to his salary Fuller is above average and been concisely good EJAC is not living up to his contract but that does not make him bad, hopefully just had a bad year Hicks with injuries has not had as big an impact but is still very good when healthy. Trevathan is a good player admitting he's starting to slow but a good leader, played much better the second half. (pandemic related effect) Goldman is above average and we keep forgetting because he opted out, will have a big affect on the line this year Quinn sucked this year and looks like a bust but still has upside, I think another year and different coordinator , he plays like we paid him to Nichols is rising and will end up being our best DL once Hicks is gone. Johnson is a plus player that will shine going forward Whitehair and Daniels will anchor our team going forward and do not count out Mustifer from becoming an anchor Massie and Leno hopefully be gone this year and young upside OTs will be in place. Do not count out Bars being in the mix at either spot. Robinson is elite but might be gone Mooney is a riser Comet is a riser Montgomery will only get better and be one of our stars if they use him right. I think Cohen is a above average asset and is one reason our offense looked so bad most of the year. This isnt a lot of names but I think puts us in the upper half of the league at this point.

SO 1) bad idea

We still have Foles maybe with a better OL, he can produce better this year, also draft a QB prospect. We are definitely more desperate and have a GM that has no problem trading draft prospects but it Watson is truly going to be traded, there is a long list of teams that will go after him.

I personally think AROB is a top 5 or 6 best WRs in the league. Having said that, for the 18.6 mil it will take just to tag him this year should we? How about sign a Cory Davis made 6 mil last year, ( maybe 10 m) and Curtis Samuel who made 1.6 last year (6 mil contract for this year) and throw in a Phillip Dorsett 1.2 mil this year (3 mil contract). None are as good as AROB but gives us a upgraded WR room, for almost the same money. That way we can concentrate on upgrading the OL and a QB prospect in the draft.

Time to quit dreaming on Wilson and Watson. If the Seahawks trade Wilson they have to take a 39 mil cap hit. No way that would ever happen. If Watson forces a trade, there are several teams in much better position to give higher draft picks in any kind of trade scenario. For example, the Jets can give them Sam Darnold and the number 2 and 23rd picks in the draft. For example Miami can get them Tua and the #3 and 18th pick in the draft. Plus both of those teams have cap space to add help to make their teams better. We have Foles here, sign Alex Smith and draft a prospect , for example, if he falls to our spot, Mac Jones, OR take a OT with the first and draft Trask or Mond with our second pick. Build the line, tag AROB and hope one of those QB prospect become a future starter.

Of the four teams Wilson stated he would accept a trade to, Chi is the only one that makes any sense. LV just came out and praised Carr, that wont happen. Dallas has to jack with Zak, NO is in cap hell. I just dont see Seattle giving a top QB away without having another in play. Wont happen.

They are not adding any new franchises out in the NFL, so what team is in the position to want to change cities? None. Best scenario is the Bears buy Arlington and put in a big enough enclosed stadium to host a SB.

The only thing crazy about this draft is we don't have a 4th or 7th round pick. Good names thou.

I agree with most of what you say, I think they will have to be lucky to get a legitimate starter in any of their options. They either get lucky or both will lose their job after this year. Mortgaging their future drafts for a big strike is probably not going to happen, why would the teams trade Watson or Wilson? They should get fired if they do. Although, if anybody is capable of over paying and forcing a trade it would be Pace.

Trading up in the first is going to include one of the next two round picks plus our first. Even if we include a next year first, I still seeing us having to give up more draft capital this year.

The top 5 QBs are going to be gone by 20. I think they will all be gone by pick 12 which is SF. Between us and pick 12 are NE and Wash of which will be in a better position to move up. With the unlove of Cousins in Minny, I can see them getting a replacement attempt before us. So if we dont have a chance to get a top 5 QB, as most consider the drop off begins, that means we probably dont get to draft one in the first round. The next group, Trask and Mills actually arent rated high enough to take with our 2nd pick either. So anyone we draft is way down on the list of starting in the first couple of years. Getting any of the potential good QBs being traded to us are slim and none. There are other teams with better draft capital or more cap space. I personally would be in for bringing in Minchew but that isnt even in the talk right now. So we are stuck with the potential of Foles starting with a middle round QB prospect. I would prefer a better option of Smith being added to the mix.

Sounds like a perfect Nagy scenario. Wont cost much , no draft capital, and then still draft a QB. I would say better than Foles.

There not getting rid of Wilson without a couple of firsts and some other considerations. They'll be competion AND they don't want to get rid of him.We are already missing a 4th and 7th this year. I seen one proposal of the two firsts, Foles, and Jaylon Johnson, plus a 3rd this year and 4th next. We need two OTs, another WR plus resign several of our FAs plus AROB. If we lose Johnson, we are missing a CB and SS with little in backups. Sounds like a something that just isn't going to happen.

They didn't keep them around and think they are going to fail. They think we're close and are a few moves away from being a SB contender. The only way both of them survive is to hit a Ryan Tannahill type of move. Which probably won't happen. George is viewing the situation as a glass half full no matter how misguided that may be. Changing regimes this year wasn't going to make us a winner this year, their playing poker. We can only hope for the best.

Almost any QB mentioned in trades is much better than having our past QBs. Obtaining the elite would devastate our next 2 years of draft picks. How would that make us a SB contender? Watson didn't make Houston a SB contender. Our cap situation puts us in a [ it ain't happening category].

Seahawks aren't trading Wilson without getting a QB back in return. They don't pick high enough to draft a starter. I would say Carr goes back plus maybe a couple 2nd round picks. Mariota might be in play, he is set to make 10 mil this year and they will need the cap space. So what would he command in draft capital? We don't have a 4 which is probably the right value, a 3rd?

I seen where Wagner (RT) from GB got cut, anybody interested? He was average last year but at least bring him in on a cheap price to compete with a rookie at RT , definitely a better option than Spriggs who wasn't very good. We need to draft 2 OTs, 1 WR, 1 QB, DT, CB,SS, ILB, TE, and pass rusher. All of that is not happening in the draft. So the first 3 picks have to be OT, QB, and WR preferably in that order. We need to tag AROB, but keep him. Why trade and then draft a rookie or sign a free agent that will not be as good, that doesn't make sense.

I don't think there is a dream scenario we can look forward to. No Derek Carr, no Watson. Maybe after a year in the system, better OL, more of a commitment to the running game, Foles has a better chance to succeed. Maybe defense plays better.

I agree he will be a situational pass rusher but how much is that worth? 3-4 mil? He will get paid somewhere else. I'm not sure why but the disappointment which is Quinn, I'm thinking he has a bounce back year. For some reason, players never do what you expect them to do but when you expect nothing they surprise you.

Getting Minchew would be the upgrade over Bray with potential to start if Foles fails. Foles will be the starter in game one. Ideally we draft Jones or Trask and mix it up and see how it works out.