Stinger226

If you do not like the fact I label you as negative, then why all the push back on my statements? It not like being tattooed N on your chest and being chastised all your life. It is just something I noticed as a theme for you since I have been butting heads with you. So lets let this go to bed. BUT one thing to remember we have disagreed on is the value of T. Cohen, I think he ends up being a play maker in the Nagy offense, and you do not think he is special. That will be proven over the year , one way or another.

I think the key is the desire to be better and is hard working. He will get to a at least average PC and this will never be mentioned again.

You are a negative person, and not everything that comes out of your mouth is negative, but overall, you are mostly critical and question everything. neg·a·tive ˈneɡədiv/ adjective (of a person, attitude, or situation) not desirable or optimistic. "the new tax was having a very negative effect on car sales" synonyms: pessimistic, defeatist, gloomy, cynical, fatalistic, dismissive, antipathetic, critical;More I never claim that all of my thoughts are all right and jump on you because we disagree. I have agreed with your points before. Adams post for the projection of this years team will compare to the Rams last year. Obviously it hasn't happened yet, so it remains to be seen if the comparison is accurate. Many articles written about the projection of this years team compares it to the Rams. So using established facts make it difficult to project this years team because of so many changes. For example , you can not compare what Burton did last year in Philly because he had limited targets. This year he is considered the #1 TE and will set double his targets in a more aggressive offense, so your established facts are not apples to apples. I also think Robinson will play well but not because we paid him a lot of money, but because of his talent. Your words ( I've got to believe with all the money paid, he's going to do well.) when talking about Robinson. but you didn't say that, UMMM your words(Yet I didn't say that at all) Now put this all together and realize that people can compare This years Bears to last years Rams because their is many similarities. Goff in his second year (Trubisky in his second year) New offensive minded coaching staff, UMM sounds familiar. Bringing in several new WRs , they did we did. New TE, we did. Has a top 10 RB, Gurley- Howard. Both have good defenses. If you read my posts, I criticize when it is deemed a mistake. (signing Glennon,) so I do not always wear rose colored glasses. Overall I am an optimist, but that does not mean I do not view things realistically . I criticize when necessary. I view this years team as a potentially good possible playoff team. here was your post: At the risk of being dubbed a 'Debbie downer' I'll go the DEVILS ADVOCATE route and CHALLENGE some of these options. For one they added Brandin Cooks to their arsenal this year. And whether he ends up being their #1 WR all he's managed to do is get 1173yds / 8 TDs two seasons ago and 1082 / 7TDs last year. Our guy; Robinson, hasn't had a complete season since 2015 where he got over 1000 yards. To be frank, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HOW HE PANS OUT. I've got to believe with all the money paid, he's going to do well. Cooper Kupp (in his first year) got 869 yards and 5 TDs with the Rams last year. Similar to how Stinger thinks Cohen is immeasurable for us, who do we put against Kupp? The best we have is maybe Gabriel who only got 378 yds and 1 TD last year with ATL after going 579 yds the year before. (By the way, this was the same offense (ATL - Ryan) that made Hester look like a respectable receiver). Comparing our #1 TE's? I'm guessing theirs will be Everett (who was a 2nd round pick last year) who got 244 yds with 2 TDs. While with PHI last year, Burton put up 248 yds and 5TDs. Shaheen (himself a 2nd round pick last year) got 127 yds and 2 TDs. Isn't Miller pretty much done or is he still planning on making a comeback? Watkins went to KC on a mega-deal and Woods ended up with 781 yds and 5 TDS after his first year in LA. Our comp maybe is White....who is still TBD. Mostly because I'm still NOT A BELIEVER in Pace, I'm SKEPTICAL in how most of 'our' players will pan out. But because I like Nagy...I trust he'll get the best he can out of them. I pointed out your negative statements. You did a have a few positive things to say, but overall, your critical and pessimistic .

Actually Debbie downer is to much of a compliment for you. You have to go much deeper to figure out the depth of your negative attitude. Nothing is guaranteed but it is clear, you don't like Pace so you are looking for things that could go wrong to us for your argument. Adam was comparing 2018 Bears to 2017 Rams from their previous years and the first words out of your mouth is Brandon Cooks. Reading is a skill, you seem to need to work on that. Cooper Kupp will be compared to Anthony Miller this year which has not happened yet. Everett was their starter and you are comparing stats to Trey Burton last years stats, but will be our #1 TE in Nagy's offense. When the season is over THEN you can compare Burton to Everett. You seem to correlate value with money paid. Watkins got a big contract so he must be good. Robinson got a big contract so he must be good. AND last but not least, Cohen is going to be a Tyreek Hill type of player for this team. I would say over 400 rushing and over 60 receptions with 7 TDs. Also some special team play PR and KR. He had 4 TDs last year and had several called back for penalties and stepping out of bounds. The "nobody special" Cohen was 10th last year in all purpose yards with a conservative head coach and lousy OC. Last year PFF had on some stupid stat Cohen rated as the best RB breakaway threat last year. Do they have crows in Alaska? I can see you feasting on them by the end of the year.

My original statement was Trubisky is ahead of Goff in his development(in the NFL) at the same stage because he has played more games. They are comparable in stats but the breakout year Goff had in his second year is arguably with less talent on his offense. Gurley is clearly a better overall player than Howard but we have better TE talent and they had nothing like a player comparable to Cohen.I would argue our WRs are overall better talent than Goff's of last year. I think all of this puts him in a better position to have more success than Goff in his second year.

I think part of the reason he is ahead in development is because he played more games not necessarily that he has more yards, not apples to apples comparison.

That is part of my point he gained more experience in his first year than Goff did in his first year.

By the stats he had in his first year. Last year MT had 2193 yards- 7 tds-7 int. Ran for 248 yards and 2 tds. (in 2016 Jared Goff 1093 yards-5 tds-7 ints ran for 16 yards and 1 td)

Last year LA had a high drafted QB, a good defense(ranked 12th) They added a high profile offensive mind in Sean McVay. They added John Sullivan and Andrew Whitworth on the Oline. They added Robert Woods,/WR in FA, and drafted Cooper Kupp/WR, Josh Reynolds/WR, Gerald Everett/TE in the draft. They had left over from a 4-12 season, Todd Gurley and Travon Austin. They added Sammy Watkins by trade and ended up being the the tenth ranked offense in the league last year. Goff had 3804 yards, 28 TDs, 7 ints. and rushed for 51 yards on on 28 carries. Gurley rushed for 1305 yards-13 tds. Receiving stats Todd Gurley 64-788-6 Cooper Kupp 62-869-5 Robert Woods 56-785-5 Sammy Watkins3959315.2678 Tyler Higbee 25-295-1 Gerald Everett 16-244-2 Tavon Austin 13-473-0 Josh Reynolds 11-104-1 2018 Bears We add Nagy and several high grade offensive coaches Fangio came back and the defense was ranked 9th in total defense Last year MT had 2193 yards- 7 tds-7 int. Ran for 248 yards and 2 tds. (in 2016 Jared Goff 1093 yards-5 tds-7 ints ran for 16 yards and 1 td) In 2016 Gurley ran for 885 yards at a 3.2 clip and 5 tds. Last year Howard ran for 1122 yards at a 4.1 clip for 9 tds. In 2016 Gurley had 43 recp. for 327 yards at a 74% catch rate. Last year Howard had 23 - 125-0 at a 72% catch rate. We completely revamped our WR corp with the additions of A. Robinson-T. Gabriel-A. Miller plus adding Trey Burton at TE. Conclusion. Nagy and his staff looks to be as good as the LA coaches of last year. They have more weapons than LA had last year plus not a player on their roster than has the potential of Tarik Cohen as a runner and WR threat. Defensively we will improve from this year with continuity in the backfield and a potential all pro ILB in Smith. I think we are going to double our win total from 5 to 10 this year even in a more difficult division. MT is ahead of Goff in his second year. Howard is not as good as Gurley receiving but could be his equal as a runner.Howard is a hard worker to be a better WR and will show up this year in his stats. I think with the addition of A Miller , we could say that our WRs overall are better than the crew the Rams had last year. We are much better with Burton-Shaheen and Sims than LA was last year at TE. Our Oline has as much potential to be better than what Rams produced last year. Rams were ranked 6th and the Bears were ranked 11th.

Here is an article that projects what the stats are going to be for the year https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2018/5/18/17368652/chicago-bears-mitchell-trubisky-leonard-floyd-allen-robinson-espn-fantasy-breakdown-nfl-2018 I think Cohen, Shaheen, and Miller's stats are on the low side. I think Tribusky's TD total is higher than projected.

I have to say, I think every draft choice makes the roster this year and also a couple of UDFAs. That keeps growing the roster and talent.

The defense will take another step forward and be our glue until the offense catches up. In two years our offense will be top 5 in the league and the D will be rolling along. I am always an optimist but this year seems different, can't let the Debbie downers on this site get me down and their are a few.

Actually I think one of the reasons we got Fangio to come here was because of Fox, he has always had good coaches in his stable. Fox had a purpose but his conservative approach does not fit will in today's NFL I think Nagy's creative mind will.

Packers have been drafting CBs and Ss in the last 4 drafts and keep drafting them, says a lot about the quality of their picks. Did not address pass rush, should make them venerable .

Out of the rookie mini camp we signed 3 new players. John Franklin III/WR, Jeremi Hall/OG and Matt Fleming/WR. Franklin was supposedly ran a 4.19 40 somewhere along the line.

I just read where there are 58 players at rookie mini camp. The more bodies the better, that is how you find diamonds in the rough. With that many I would say they sign a couple of try out players to regular camp.

The point is, he does have a special skill set, you notice most people disagree with you, but it is best to make these statements now because when the season starts, you will be silenced by the results. He is not a league leading RB type, Howard is the best RB on the team, but he is a special player that will be used as a weapon in Nagy's offense. His size limits his being used as a 3 down back but on a limited basis, he will preform well. Come back to this subject after the 5 or 6th game so we can see you try to defend your opinion.

May I suggest you watch game film. If you use stats to compare all players then that would mean that they all would have the same results or play the same. Take a moment and watch film on all the players you suggest are better. You will notice a difference, football intelligence can not be measured in stats. He is a special player, this year you will notice a offense that uses his talent much differently.

What makes him unique is his short area quickness, not all stats prove how a person plays. He put on 10lbs this winter and his stength for a small guy is amazing. You do not have to believe anything I say, but the proof will be in his use in our offense. You can compare Gabriel because of his speed and size but is not even close in strength.

actually Cohen in Nagy's offense is going to be used more and a lot more productive. There is no one on the roster that has a similar skill set.

I was being sarcastic because everybody has seemed to jump on his bandwagon over his highlight film. He looks like he might be a player than can make the roster, but someone suggested(not AZ) that in one year we trade Howard as Nall takes over the main carrier role. I hope he does very well and makes it on the roster and takes over the spot Burton has. Has more player ability at the FB spot. He wasn't drafted, does not have great speed, didn't even have the lead role on his college team, just trying to temper my enthusiasm.

I think we need to take a step back before we put him in the hall of fame. He went undrafted and looks like a player on tape but training camp will answer a lot of questions.

He looks good in his highlight films but I think everybody does. l like him but more as a power runner. I think the only way he sticks if he can take over the fullback position. That would be predicated on him being a good blocker of which I do not know. He could make the practice squad easily.

Also we do not know what they think of the safety depth of the Ss we have on the roster. D. Hall, Houston-Carson, and Deon Bush. They may see one or all are ready to take a step forward. We assume they do not matter, but they may be in play.

I think if HH deems him the OC of the future they will start him there right now and put up with the shortcomings of a rookie. They did that with Whitehair and excelled. I think they make their decision and stick with it even with rookie learning pains. If he has a good NT, they will just give him help in those situations. Anyway they line it up, it will be the best situation. The key will be the continued health of Long but this year we have available Kush and Morgan but do not forget Watford. I think Kush ends up being the backup at OC also so we do not have shifting around this year in the middle. Massie and Leno have played above average even though the perception is they have been bad. The key is they have also been very healthy. Massie will need to be replaced next year but we also should consider he plays better under HH and they keep him around a few more years as we develop a rookie drafted next year. He is still only 28. The one thing we do not know is how much better our existing players play better with the addition of HH. If they all take one step forward, it will make for a very good OL even with the same OTs. The one thing we still need is a swing OT for depth, of which we can still find with later cuts by other teams in the training camp process.