Stinger226

If we can get a IOL starter and OLB starter quality out of the draft, the rest of the picks would be depth and growth. Another WR prospect, OT prospect and ILB prospect. It would be a good draft.

It all comes down to money. A cheap deal , he would be worth a shot, we dont need another Brandon Marshall type. Its about money, and bad attitude.

He is 6'1" 217 with 4.38 speed. 36" vertical and 10'6" broad jump. mainly a slot guy, but has some upside.

I think out of this draft we need a IOL starter, a future OT prospect, a OLB, and ILB--- and now a WR prospect.

I like all the names you have, I just think they address IOL in the first few picks. I hope either Morgan or Kush turn out to be very good, I just think with the injury history of Long, they add to the mix in the middle, to not have the problem of both OGs injured at the same time and be left with shifting Whitehair again.

We may be taking R. Smith with the #8 pick. Cobbs run a 4.64 at the combine,. we will be adding a speed guy not a big.

You may be right, but I doubt it. between OC and OG, we need to add depth if not a starter. No way we don't add to that position in the draft.

I think what Nagy still needs in the WR corp is more speed. Gabriel is the only true speed guy they have. Cohen is a 4.42 guy but we need depth. In the slot you will be seeing Burton and Cohen a lot, so I think we need more of an outside backup guy. White cant be relied on but he is the perfect match for what we need. I lie Burnett, Moore and also Cedric Wilson from Boise State.

So where is the OG we need to start this year? We at least need to draft someone between OG/OC spot. If Kush or Morgan can start and develop, that means Grasu is our back up center and that is not acceptable.

Again I mention, this was not Paces decision on Cam. If Nagy wanted Cam he would be here right now. Because our WRs were so lousy last year, we put him on a pedestal. I hope he does well in the future, but their are several risks for someone that had one average season for a #2-#3 WR. I want him just for better depth, but they have a plan and because they are not sharing it with us does not mean it is a bad plan.

they will not be drafting a WR in the first two rounds. A prospect has a chance to grow in our O. scheme. I think I am spot on in the first 4 spots, the rest are question marks as to how much they will be used. I think Burton and Cohen will be playing a lot of slot position. Howard , Shaheen , and Sims will have big question marks. Depends on volume of offensive plays will be able to perform. I think early in the year it will take time to jell, but from 5th game on, we have the chance to be a top5 O. Remember I am a optimist, so probably will be less for my expectations.

This is not on Pace, if Nagy wanted him he will be here. They will be adding a FA and a draft pick. Neither will be making over a mil a year.

They could be bringing in a FA at a vet minimum. There really is no need to be paying 5 mil to a WR that make be the 5th option in the passing cycle. We have Robinson that will probably be getting 80+ receptions. Gabriel will get 50+ Burton will be getting 60+ Cohen will be getting 50+ Howard will be getting 40+ Shaheen if used properly will be 40+ Sims is still in the mix and at the least will see 30 + targets being on the field. You have the wild card of Kevin White that everyone has wrote off but Nagy feel real comfortable with. We are paying 5+ mil, whether we use him or not. We resigned Bellamy, more for STs than WR but will have some value in the scheme. We have no idea what Nagy thinks of Tanner Gentry. He may think he can be our 4th or 5th WR. AND we will be drafting one in the 4th or 5 th round to add to the mix. So did we need Cam? Apparently Nagy did not think so, or he would be here.

The possibility exists that they want to explore a cheaper option at WR in the draft. There should be plenty of prospects in the 4th round to add to the mix. We have no idea what they think of the other players on the roster, other than Robinson or Gabriel. They may think there is an option there we don't view that way. They have 4 good pass catching options on the team. Rob, Gabriel, Burton, Cohen, also Shaheen, Sims, and Howard will be used more. Now the problem is we do not have the depth if we have some injuries. I am for bringing Cam back at the price since we have a cheap QB and RB groupings. They are short contracts so when we need to pay MT , we can work everything out. They may like Tanner Gentry in this offense, never know what Nagy thinks of the WR group.

That would be perfect to boast our weaknesses. Starter at OC, Jones replaces Massie in one year and two LBers in the mix.

I would agree, mediocre would work, but how much will that affect his playing time? He is a excellent runner, so if he has 40 catches at a 75% drop rate, he is doable. How many complete RBs are in the league right now? Out of the 10 RBs that had over 1000 yards last year, 6 had better catch rates than Howard. Gurley's catch rate was 73.6% and Howard's was 71.9%. Elliot, Gordon and Fournette had worse catch rates, so I guess they all suck as RBs.

Best case scenario for draft 1) Nelson/OG 2) L. Carter/OLB 2nd scenario 1) T. Edmunds 2) B. Price/OC or Daniels/OC 3rd secenario/ trade back 1) Landry 2) Price/OC or Daniels/OC This is based on the assumption Chubb does not make it to 8 In the trade back we get an extra 3rd and 4th from AZ

Good coaches adapt to the players they have. Hunt was a good pass catcher, but KC did not have a Cohen type of RB in the mix.. He has lots of flexibility in his offense to include all of his weapons and make it work. Howard is not the idea fit but that does not mean he will not succeed. Progression under Fox was not very suitable but learning under Nagy should show better results. I refer back to stats, he is not terrible at pass catching but is not great. It will be fine. He is going to be our bell cow, if he fails , he will be replaced but assuming the worst not is misguided.

What I read was they offered a long term contract and he wanted more money. So they agreed on the tender to let the league set his value. If he turned down a long term contract, and tagged him with 2.9, it would been a problem for future negotiations. He would have left pissed off. Pace did him a favor, now will match or forget about it. It's that simple.

R. Penny might end up being a good RB in the league but one of his weaknesses is his pass route running. 42 receptions in his career. . I have read several scouting reports on him and several comments about that, about his lack of ability to break tackles. In his highlight film, there is only one run where he extended the ball after contact. Will not do well running up the middle in the NFL. He runs through all arm tackles in the film. Weaknesses High-cut, upright runner Despite urgency as a runner, won't break many quality tackle attempts One-speed runner without a big burst gear to clear first and second level defenders cleanly Has modest yards after first contact numbers over the last two seasons Can get a little "bounce-happy" with his willingness to try and cut inside runs to the outside once he gets onto second level Doesn't always show a feel for the best run lane choices Will miss backside, cutback lanes May not have the long speed to pull away from tacklers and hit big chunk runs Scouts say he may need additional reps to lock-in on the playbook Needs to improve route-running to become a more effective pass catcher 03/02/18 - 2018 NFL Combine, Friday: Another Senior Bowl standout -- San Diego State's Rashaad Penny -- also made cents Friday. The 5-foot-11, 224-pound Mountain West Offensive Player of the Year helped quiet critics, clocking a pair of 4.47-second 40-yard-dash times. Penny, who led the nation with 2,248 rushing yards, starred during the Senior Bowl game, leading all running backs with 64 rushing yards and scoring on a 73-yard touchdown reception. That, however, came after a week of practice in which he struggled in pass protection and put the ball on the turf on a couple of occasions. Penny needed a strong workout Friday to reinforce the breakaway ability he showed at San Diego State and in Mobile, Ala., and he delivered, likely cementing himself as a second-round pick. - Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com 01/27/18 - RB Rashaad Penny struggled during the week of practice, putting the ball on the ground several times and drawing the wrath of the Houston Texans' coaching staff with a false start. The vision, stutter-step, quick acceleration and soft hands which helped the 5-11, 224-pounder lead the nation in rushing yards in 2017 and earn Mountain West Conference Special Teams Player of the Year the past three seasons showed up Saturday. Penny led all participants in all-purpose yards, highlighted by a 37-yard burst up the middle in the first quarter, and a 73-yard catch-and-run following a pretty little flip pass by Virginia's Kurt Benkert. 01/24/18 - Senior Bowl Wednesday: Just as disconcerting for scouts is the poor play of the 5-11, 224-pound Penny, who galloped for 2,248 yards and 23 touchdowns in 2017 for San Diego State. While scouts remain intrigued by his vision, agility and straight-line speed, Penny has struggled with ball security, putting the ball on the ground at least four times over the first two days of practice, including mishandling returns and fumbling twice. Penny's struggles as a returner are perhaps especially surprising given that he earned Mountain West Special Teams Player of the Year honors in 2017, becoming the first player to earn the award three consecutive years. He scored eight return touchdowns -- seven off kick returns -- in his career. Penny's lack of focus has drawn the ire of the Texans' coaches, who pulled him from the lineup during scrimmaging after a false start. Penny appeared to get an early jump on another play late in Tuesday's practice, as well. - Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com He looks good in his highlight film, but I have yet to find a college player that does'nt.

We haven't seen the contract yet, it is for 9.6. It could be 4 mil the first year. which means we pay an extra 1 mil this year. If he plays well, its very cheap for a second year. Win win

They were a negotiating a long term contract with him and his agent asked for a large contract. So if we did the 2.9, it would have pissed them off. So Pace did the right thing by letting the NFL set his value. Now he knows what his value is. If we gave him 2.9 and he was asking for 6-7 a year, we would have another situation like Ashton that thinks he is worth more than his value. Would have booked at the end of the year lie Ashton.

J. Jenkins coming back as a backup to Goldman. Filling out the roster, I still think we add one more draftee to the DL mix.

It is not to expensive of a contract. What Pace did was let the league set the value of Meredith. I read where they offered him a contract and they were far apart on the value so they let the league set the value. Pace did not screw this up.

I think we have to wait until the contract details come out. 5.4 is suppose to be the guaranteed money. That almost just a one year deal with no risk after that if he fails. So shooting low loses 2 mil, not a big deal. It at least establishes that there is other opinions that he may turn out to be a good WR. 2 mil is no big deal when you have a cheap RB and QB for 4 more years.