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How do you go from coach of the year to where we are now? Tough question. I think he is somewhere in between. He's definitely not going anywhere. I think he is caught in the middle of running his offense because he doesnt trust MT to being to stubborn to change what he wants to do and should do. He will figure it out, he is slowly going to the run game but still puts MT in the position of trying to do to much and he fails. Most good coaches adjust to their players, he is flailing in that so far.

We need to cut him so we can add a 4th round compensation pick. We only have 2 picks in the first 4 rounds.

Next year we have our own picks 2nd 5th 6th and 7th. Also Oakland's 2nd and the Eagles 6th that will probably end up being a 5th. So when we talk about needs, we have 2 that can address our needs and the rest are drafted as developmental prospects. With 2 5th s we get one that surprises up for being a potential starter. So our needs are QB, TE, OL and cornerback as I look at it. It will have to be in the second round so with the other pick it will be the BPA at the other needs. So we will have to count on people already on the team to replace areas of need. QB- we have none, definitely have to draft one and pick one up in FA. TE- Will draft one but may not be in the first two rounds. We have Shaheen ( that will probably be cut) Burton( who I think still has injury issues) Brauneker (special teams guy) Sowell(not destined to be on the roster) Holtz (some value as a backup) Raymond( on IR so we dont know what we have) Horsted ( we need to put him on the roster and see what he can do) OL- Whitehair is probably playing the best on the OL right now. Daniels has struggled but will be our OC for the future, Leno and Massie has been very disappointing but have contracts that suggests they are not going anywhere. Coward has had some good moments and many mistakes but thing he will end up being descent going forward. Our improvement has to come from Bars-Lucas and Mustiper and hope they develop into starters going forward. Will probably draft one but I doubt with our first 2 picks. DB- Fuller is still playing at a high level, HaHa is playing well(but will be leaving due to more money), Skine has actually played well, Prince will be gone so we can save 8 mil in cap, Next year we will draft a S or DB high but I think the starters will come with people on our current team. I suspect we resign Bush and he takes Ha Has spot, the CB starter will have to be between Shelly and Tolliver. Denmark and Joesph are on the PS so I suspect they will be moved up to the roster. Next year Trevathan will be without contract. I think we try to resign him at a team friendly contract, but we may have to use one of our 2s to draft a ILB. We have to resign Bush, RRH and I think we get that done. The defense has played bad at times but is still the teams strength.

As the year plays out, we will see who is good and who is just having a bad year. We definitely need a TE and possibly a CB to take over for Prince. We have some in the house but not sure if they can handle it or not. We need to see if Jesper Horsted can play since Burton has never recovered from his injury and has had no impact this year. I think Bars should be tried at OT to see if he can take over for Leno in the near future. His contract doesnt allow us to cut him until 2021. Also Massie cant be cut until 2021 either that still gives us dead money of 9 mil for both even then. We are pretty well stuck with the OL for a couple more years. If Bars turns out , he can at least take one of those spots over next year. Also Lucas is staying on the roster, maybe our replacements are hear, we have to just sit expensive OTs until 2021. Some where we will draft a QB but MTs replacement is probably coming in FA or a trade.

MT is not a pocket passer. He needs to be rolled out and bootlegs with a high low passing option or just run. He needs to be in a Balti offense that Jackson is in where you limit his passing and use his legs more. What's going to happen is, he will leave and be a backup and a coach will play to his strengths and will be a starter 4 years from now.

He is a decent NFL player, he played well Sunday, but just not worth being that high of a pick which gives him a high paycheck. With all the problems we have , he isnt that high on the list of major problems. He is who he is, not his fault Pace drafted him that high. Try to keep him but with a value based contract. 3 year -25 mil.

You can have a plan to draft a QB every year and then end up trading picks to move up for a player you want and in taking draft capital away, it overall affects the plan. When you have a Eddie Jackson sitting there do you take a 10th rated QB because you need to stick to a plan when you first started being a GM. Nope I think somewhere along the line, you could have found a spot to draft one in 4 years.

I think the condition on Howard had to do with snaps, not sure if it was 50% or 60%. Not pro bowl or 1000 yards. You haven't noticed Davis much because the offense is infected that it has had limited snaps and up until the last two games we haven't been running the ball.

Cohen at the goalline? seriously

ON the positive side, they rolled MT out once.

Penalties are wreaking anything the defense does right. The Bears arent playing good but that was a OPI on Enrst.

Now that's how you run an offense. (Eagles)

I dont know why but when everyone is big pro Bears, we end up finding away of losing. When no one thinks there going to lose, they end up winning. I know the NO game was the exception. In the last One and a half years, the NO game is the only one we were never in the game. I think we find away to win this game. Nagy play calling improves, MT doesnt have any TOs and the Bears get a couple. 23-20 Bears.

What we will do is next year is bring another QB to compete with MT and also draft one. They are going to let this play out with MT and the prospects do not look promising. Nick Foles is making 22 million a year, we are not trading a future hall of famer for a expensive QB. They will find a cheaper option, who I cant say yet. They still think they can make the playoffs so they are going to fix what they can and go from there. Jax next year will only have 4.4 million in cap space and have to deal with the draft yet. They will be desperate to trade Foles and could be gotten cheaper that a Mack. For us to trade for Foles, we would have to do it by other means , not Mack. What good would weakening out defense to add a QB that may or may not be the answer. He has had 3 season ending injuries in 7 in the league. His risk factor is to high to weaken the team on over all success. You are not only losing Mack but what he does to boost the play of the other players on the team. Next year we have 13 mil in cap space and if we do not pick up the rookie option on Floyd, add another 13 mil. That will make it doable with losing Floyd and keeping Mack. You make that choice Bill. So I think the choice will be to trade for Foles with our first 2nd round pick or use it to draft a QB. I think we draft one and keep MT and have a player in place to go with if he continues to fail.

If we were asked a question before they hired a coach last year( would you like a coach that goes 15-9 in his first 24 games )? I think we would all say (hell yeah). The season isnt over yet but I think most of us has lost our expectations of being very good. Last year going 12-4 , there was not much adversary , things went our way. Now we get to see what we got is how everyone deals with a losing streak. I think they turn this around whether its enough to get us into the playoffs. The story isnt complete yet.

I think he is a good player but not great as where we drafted him. So keep him but give him 5 or 6 mill a year. He in not much of a pass rusher but does everything else well. If you notice he has been in pass coverage a lot more this year.

I agree with your opinions AZ. We got so hyped up over last year(unexpected) that we are in a boom or doom state of mind. We had some positives in our game but they are overshadowed by the mistakes. Last year we caught almost all the breaks this year we are getting dinged every time we turn around. On defense all the studs from last year are not preforming at the same level. Trev is playing well, Mack is being schemed out of most plays and the problem is no one else is stepping up. Hicks is the one that took the pressure off of Mack. Nagy is the biggest problem, he is not adjusting to his team and keeps insisting on his creative plays when we need the I formation and play action passing. He doesnt trust his QB that he is stuck in a limbo state of play calling. He is a pass first mentality and needs to just run the ball like he did Sunday. The passing game will improve if he gives this team a run first mentality. MT is an average QB that he schemed well enough last year to win. He needs to get off the I am going to outsmart people and just play the game that works. The defense played well enough to win . The offense made to many mistakes to overcome . Nagy had a bad day of calling plays and that needs to change.

I think maybe MT has to many voices in the room. Nagy, Helfrich, Rogane and Brad Childress. I think it puts pressure on him. Nagy is the key, forget your offense and get MT in the best position to succeed. Smith has still his demons bothering him, we could use him.

As a coach, where do you go from here? Simplify the game, roll MT to the left or right and have one option to throw or to run. Have quick throws before wrs get covered, less time to think. Have run plays designed for MT. All of this takes a player out of the defense because they will have to shadow MT. Run, run, run at least then the defense can rest some.

He easily could have took off to the right and avoided Jordan and still had a throw option to Miller. He did the only bad decision that was available, hold the ball.

At 3-3 we are writing off this season but there is still time for a turn around. I think every time you write someone off they have a bounce back. MT seems a long way form a franchise QB but utilize what he does well and put him in a better position to win. Run the ball, it helps MT with less touches to screw up and rests the defense. I think a big problem is Nagy expects for his offense to work and the OL plays bad, MT has an injury and no confidence, and Nagy is stubborn to make changes. You add penalties and a defense that is looking for answers and this is what we have. There is to many good players on defense for this not to improve. Nagy needs to simplify the offense, stick with the run, and have some plays for MT to run the ball. Move the pocket, stop this giving the defense the same answer on how to stop us. Change up. I heard on the radio where someone said to temporarily bench A-Rob so it forces MT to throw to someone else.

I am not sure you can count on a QB with a up and down past that has not played for 3 years to be anybodies savior. Kap is a part of the NFL history that I do not think will ever play again. He sued his employer and that wont happen again. He is not just black balled but forgotten by owners. So where do we go from here? After the Viking game, our defense was playing well the offense sputtered but had some hope of getting better. After losing Hicks we expect it to drop a little but I think the last few games the defense has been on the field so long the fatigue has shown in the second half of games. It was 12-10 at halftime and fell apart in the second half. I think the defense isnt so far away from being relevant but the offense shows no signs of hope. Bench MT? Will that help? Maybe Nagy needs to turn over the play calling to someone else? He has been terrible the last few games. There is no players we can bring in to chance our fortunes. How about a wildcat offense? Sounds stupid but at least its an attempt at change. Put Chase in at QB? Why not, the MT thing is at least stalled in progress right now. Actually run the ball 25 times a game? That's a thought. Anyone remember last year when we went on that run of victories Howard got a lot of touches, we were successful in the run game. The truth is Nagy needs to change his horizontal run game into a run north and south offense and maybe we can keep the defense off the field enough to get a whole game out of them. A few notes: R. Smith looks like something is going on in his head, he seems tentative They actually had a TE sighting yesterday. Go to the 2 TE offense and pound the ball, maybe we have different results.

I think they look better, control the game and win a close game. 23- 13. Defense dominated early, we get a D TD and DMong gets 80 yds and a TD.

I think Davis is fine, its the OL that is causing the problems. It all comes together today.

I think with the malfunction of the offense, the TE has not been scheme very well. Its like having a V8 and it only running on 4 cylinders. As the OL becomes more consistent, the running gets better , the passing game opens up and the TE becomes relevant.