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We have run the same offense now for 2 years and the Oline played well in 2018 but didn't this year. 2018 we had a blocking TE on the roster (Sims) and a fullback. Without them assignments change and the Oline got worse. For sure Nagy needs to play to the team's strengths and not try to put square pegs in round holes. I think Nagy is smart and will do what we need to do to improve. We need to get a powerful RG in the second round of the draft. Switch Whitehair and Daniels back where they belong. Hopefully have Bars compete for a starter role at RT and bring a LT in to push Leno. It would not bother me one bit if both of are 2nd round picks were OL.

I don't think Leno is going anywhere. Best case would be back up to new starter. I think they freed moneyvup to resign Jackson.

Burdison is rated one of top 3 guards, no way he makes it to the late 4th round. Hopkins and Lewis are mid second round picks by most ratings so that would be good value.

He's going to cost to much for the position. Burton whether here or not gets 8 mil this coming year. You really think the bears are going to pay 18 to 20 mil for 2 TEs? Nope Shaheen will be back in camp but no guarantee he sticks. Burton back hopefully healthy. Holtz and Hoested will be resigned. We have room for 1 new guy, I think a draftee.

If a OC is graded higher than any other OL at that draft spot , go for it. I think Daniels is headed back to OC. If we draft a RG, I think Bars or Coward get a shot at playing OT. Leno and Massie aren't going anywhere but that doesn't mean they have to start. Some of our replacements are coming from people on the team, our cap situation is rigid to expect FAs and shallow draft capital to fill every position.

I've been looking at a lot of draft information lately. The middle of the second round , shows a lot of OL, TE and CBs to have their value there. I think that one of the second round picks is traded back for an extra 3 or 4 and we could fill the OL need and TE spot with good prospects. also grab a CB or QB prospect all aligned in the mid 2 nd to mid 3rd range. If Tru comes out,they're 6 names that keep getting mentioned in the first 2 rounds at QB. I don't if any are any good but to get one we have to draft early. Using the GBND REPORT top 100 rankings. We could get: 2a--Shane Lemieux/OG-- Oregon 2b-- Hopkins/ TE--Prudue 3- Brady White-- Memphis Haven't read enough to know if any of these players are any good, just licked due to the rankings. We are definitely going to be drafting offense early.

After a mediocre season, we need to remember, 12-4 then 8-8, we are some where in between and that still puts us in the driver's seat for a playoff contender next year. Far from 2018 but we still finished 8th on defense with all the key injuries. I think think the defense is better than we complained about all year. I think Prince and Trevathan are gone . Floyd may be back but not at 13 million. As much as the overall performance of HaHa was good, I think part of our defensive woes were having 2 free safeties, putting Jackson in the SS spot way to much. I think we would be better off with Bush at SS and not mess with Jackson. We will also bring in a new safety. I think we bring back Kwit and KPL that will be quite adequate at ILB with a healthy Smith. Hicks puts the roar back in the defense and tolliver is good enough to replace Prince with added depth at CB to compete. I think a year of Pagano, he will figure out how to best use Mack and out playmakers. So until we add some additional players, Tolliver, Bush, KLP and Kwit will fill in nicely.

This sounds like a Pace type draft and would be all in on it. This is where he excels in the draft. I would be happy if he never had a first rounder again considering his record.

This sounds like a Pace type draft and would be all in on it. This is where he excels in the draft. I would be happy if he never had a first rounder again considering his record.

We will be picking about 45 , as the draft will play out, it could be OT, RG, edge, TE, S, ILB , CB or a QB. The most critical needs in my opinion are OL or TE. The draft class is weak at TE . In many mocks I've seen, not any taken in the first round and only a few picked in the second. We could have our choice of TEs but is that good value at that spot. I think Pace takes the BPA . We could get a stud RG at that spot and turn around and draft the best TE in our slot a few picks later. We have to get a QB prospect in this draft. There are 4 to 5 taken in all the drafts in the first 2 rounds, so if we want a QB with any chance of success, it may have to be in the second. As AZ pointed out, OT may be our most glaring need but all the top ones will be gone before we pick. A stud OG , then move Coward out to LT and Bars to RT may be our best option for 2020. They at least will compete for a starter job at both OTs. I think Leno is the worst on the oline but will not be cut this year due to cap hit but at get a young guy in there to grow into a more consistent performer. We are in such a tight spot with little draft capital and not enough money to fix all our weaknesses in Free agency.

I'll go back and watch game tape on Floyd. I know he is not good at the rush but thought he contributed in other ways. As far as paying him the 13 mil , probably better options in free agency for less money.

Adam your right on MT , I miss read the contract.

Patterson has played well but if you consider the number of plays he has been in on , I think it's a luxury to have him . Now maybe a user friendly contract extension for a cheaper price would work. The oline needs a makeover but do you honestly see us cutting Massie and Leno with their dead money? I doubt it. So Coward- taking over for Massie , bring in a high pick to play RG and groom Bars to take over for Leno maybe as soon as this year. This is the best scenario I could hope for. Floyd at the current price isn't worth it but mixing in him with a new pass rusher and getting him at a fair price, I think would work out. Do you see a rookie stepping in and playing starter minutes? I doubt it but maybe we get lucky in the draft. We could use the 13 mil to sign a free agent that might get us a good player that could russ the passer. They always get paid a lot in free agency.

Defense: We let Trevathan and HaHa hit free agency. Cut Prince . Resign Kwit , Bush, RRH , N. Williams, A Andersen, Urban and KPL. DB Tolliver takes over for Prince, Bush takes over for HaHa, Shelley and Skine stay. We get one in Free agency and draft one. ILB: resign KPL, Kwit takes over for Trevathan, Woods moves up depth chart. Smith comes back healthy. OLB; Mack and Floyd stays starters, we let Lynch be gone. James Slaughter move up the depth chart , we draft one. DLINE; Hicks come back healthy, Nichols gets back to progressing after being bothered by injuries. Resign Urbin, N. Williams, A . Anderson's and RRH. Goldman is the steady one. Our defense will have some changes and will remain good not be great.

Offense QB options: MT stays bring in Mariota to have option if MT fails. Draft a late round rookie. Option 2: Cut MT, Pay Bridgewater 4 year 90 mil. Bring back Bray and draft a late round pick. Option3: keep MT , bring in Keenum at 6 mil and draft a QB at 2) 45, haven't read much on draft but Matt Miller's big board has Justin Love as the 43rd best player so I will use that for now. At RB Mongomery will play better as the oline goes. Cohen is still under contract and they keep Nall. ( brings in 1 UDFA) OL: Long is gone, Bars- Coward- Lucas compete with Massie and Leno. We draft a OT and IOL. . We have to much invested in oline to pay in free agency. TE: we resign Holtz and Hoested. Burton comes back on a restructured contact .Raymond comes off the practice squad and we draft one. WR: We redo a contract with ARob, let go of Patterson and Gabriel. Miller , Wims and Ridley move up the depth chart. We draft one.

Probably a bad time to do this after a bad game but I have a lot of free time in Thailand. First of all as much as Nagy and Pace has a bad year but there not going anywhere. So trying to create that chaos is a waste of time. For 2020 we have 12.5 in cap space. 1. Cut Long saves us 8 mil. The rest of the line isn't going anywhere cap hits would be terrible for them. 2. At WR give ARob a new contract to reduce this years cap hit of 13 mil. ( reduce cap hit to 9 this year.)Cut Gabriel 4.5 , and Patterson to save 5 mil 3. Floyd is not a pass rusher but can play football. Due a contract of say 3 year= 27 mil with only 10 guaranteed. Saves 4 mil.. 4. Cut Prince to save 8 mil. 5. Get rid of Ben B and Shaheen save 2.7 mil. Go to Burton and redo his contract (7.5 if we cut him). It could be said injuries derailed this year. ) he is guaranteed 8 mil over the next 2 seasons. Give him a third year and guarantee 12 and pay 6 mil this year and next with team option in year 3. Save 2.5 each of next 2 years. Comes back healthy to compete. Option 2) cut and lose 7.5 mil. 6. Resign these free agents RRH, Holtz, Hoersted, AAnderson , N. William's, Bush, Urbin , kwit, KPL . total cap hit 20 mil. 7. They suggest caps goes up 8 mil Total cap space 48.7 est. Not sure of dead money carry over I think we can sign one big contract TE or EDGE. Plus get a backup QB. Mariota at 1 year 14 mil. OPTION 2 cut MT and save 9 mil , go get Bridgewater at 4 year 22 a year. (Pace won't let that happen. ) continued

I think Bars takes over somewhere next year . I would say RG , LT or RT. Lucas is a backup but played okay. How would Bars/ LT, Whitehair /LG- Daniels back at center, 2nd round RG and Coward at RT. How would that look to you guys. Massie and Leno backups for the year and then both cut at the end of next year.

I think the first 2 picks will be a Pass Rusher and a QB prospect. I think if it fits we move back to get an extra pick. I think if the draft falls right , we could be looking at a TE ot OL also. I think Trevathan is gone unless he does a team friendly contract but we resign Kwit to take over as a starter. I hate to see Trevathan gone but the cap hot for Mack starts next year. They will add a TE but unfortunately I don't see in the second round. I think they count on Burton back healthy ( would have to eat his contract), Jasper and Holtz will be back and one new TE. Maybe Raymond will get a chance to play. Ebron and Henry are free agents this year but will not spend a large contract on a TE until Burton is done as important as that position is to Nagy. Drafting a PRusher is critical for us to let Floyd walk. Floyd's 5th year tagged is only guaranteed for injury so I could see either a team friendly contract or a trade going out the door. Probably a 6th rounder. They kept Vaughters around maybe he does something. I don't think they bring back Lynch. This offseason is going to be tricky.

As much as I agree we need changes, I doubt with everyone on the oline being paid that we eat contracts. With Whitehair and Daniels the youngest that is what we will build off of going forward. Coward has played better as of late so I suspect he will be given every chance to succeed but with competition. The completion will be Bars and a new face. Draft or FAency. Bars and Lucas will be competing with Massie and Leno. We definitely draft one but doubt it will be with the first 2 picks. I suspect we're looking at the same starting five again. If the play sucks as this year their will be options behind them to take over. The top 4 OTs will be gone before we draft so drafting in the second round doesn't guarantee a starter. So I think they just go for a prospect later in the draft. The second round will either be a top grade OG ( if they give up on Coward) or a pass rusher. The draft will have a few in round 2. I think they grab a QB prospect also, in case MT doesn't succeed. So I see the best we can hope for is a top tier OG.

His leadership on the field is what we need the most. Whether is 100% or not , the defensive coordinator has to account for him.

Well first game while in Thailand. 1 am here. Everyone stays up until 5 am anyways. I hope they when , I guarantee they'll be a packers fan in the bar.

I think with the success of last year, Nagy figured to move forward with his offense but MT playing poor, the Oline problems, it fell apart and he couldnt get out of his own way. I think he is learning just like his players and is putting them in better position to succeed. It would be nice if we won out and made the playoffs but with a 5% chance, not likely but at least come together as a team and play better which bodes well for next year.

This was his best game of the year. He used MT properly, he mixed in the running game, got the TEs involved and stayed aggressive. Finally everything moved fluidly. The only play I didn't like was the wildcat with Patterson.

Smith, Trevathan, Hicks, prince, RRH all out of the game and still played good D. Awesome

I think we add a OT this off season but we are more likely to make changes from our current roster. Bars and Lucas would be up next. We are not getting rid of Massie and Leno because of cap space so I doubt we add a FA, it would just be a high draft pick. Coward has been up and down, but has the potential to keep the RG spot. It may be that we draft a replacement at RG if he grades out bad the rest of the year. Because of his contract Burton will be back here. Injuries have blocked his usefulness. Hopefully he can come back healthy next year. If he has a year like his first year that would be a good thing. We will still add a player here . Jasper may work his way in as a starter next year. Floyd can be offered a contract that absorbs his fifth year money. He is a good player just not a pass rusher so his money has to be team friendly. Lets say we let him go, then who? A second round draftee? Can we count on that.