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Smith, Trevathan, Hicks, prince, RRH all out of the game and still played good D. Awesome

I think we add a OT this off season but we are more likely to make changes from our current roster. Bars and Lucas would be up next. We are not getting rid of Massie and Leno because of cap space so I doubt we add a FA, it would just be a high draft pick. Coward has been up and down, but has the potential to keep the RG spot. It may be that we draft a replacement at RG if he grades out bad the rest of the year. Because of his contract Burton will be back here. Injuries have blocked his usefulness. Hopefully he can come back healthy next year. If he has a year like his first year that would be a good thing. We will still add a player here . Jasper may work his way in as a starter next year. Floyd can be offered a contract that absorbs his fifth year money. He is a good player just not a pass rusher so his money has to be team friendly. Lets say we let him go, then who? A second round draftee? Can we count on that.

If we resign Floyd for a team friendly contract, I am good with him being here. If you let him go, who is starting. I suspect Lynch isnt here anymore. None of the young players are ready for prime time. A rookie in the 2nd or 4th round? We would have to be real lucky to get a starter there.

Floyd is not worthy of his draft position but he is a good player, just not the pass rusher everyone expected. I can see us resigning him to a team friendly contract. Danny will not be able to be kept due to the cap space available. We will resign Kwit to a fair contract and play him instead of Trevathan next year. Prince is gone, someone will have to step up. Because of his contract, I see us not getting rid of Burton also. We pretty well have a full cap hit, so lets just hope he gets well enough to play. So next year we keep Jasper, Burton, Holtz and a new guy. Maybe Raymond can be good . Tolliver or Shelly will have to move up on the depth chart. We can see we need people everywhere but the draft only has so many spots. OL will be intact with maybe Bars being able to take over for Leno and Coward and Lucas playing well enough to improve our depth. We are stuck here because of everyone on the OL have contracts. One of our first two picks may be a OT. I would say Gabriel is gone and cutting Patterson would save 5.3 mil. To bad the offense has not been able to give Patterson a role, he could be very helpful overall as a gimmick. Daniel will not be back, and if we lose anymore, would like to see Bray brought up to see if can play. We will be bringing in completion for MT. Either Tannehill or Mariota.

They havent put it together yet but some parts are improving. 6-6 now and just worry about winning next week in a winnable game. Lets say we get better and lucky and go 10-6. It is much better than going 6-10 and us not improve the rest of the year. Playoffs are probably never going to happen but might as well be a better team going down the road.

The trade back is definitely the best case scenario . Since I think the first two picks are going to be a QB and TE, neither will probably start next year so this draft will be anticlimactic . So we get some OL prospects, CB and ILB. It will be tough to find a starter on the tail end of the draft. The new starters are going to come from the depth we have on a team now. OL Maybe they start Bars at LT and Coward keeps his spot at RG. Nothing else to see here. CB Prince will be gone, so I say Toliever is next up. I doubt if Joel Iggy takes over for Trevathan a sure cap hit. So that leaves resigning Kwiat and let him play there which would be a ok move. TE-Here is hoping Jasper shows something, or we're hosed. Maybe Burton can get well this year( a clear problem) because his contract calls for a big cap hit if gone.

It was a sham, the whole purpose was to have Nike promote a commercial. He had the waiver on Weds to sign as far as no media. He waits to the last minute to try to make the NFL look bad. He is all about look at me, how serious can you take him to actually play for a team, when he is always promoting his own agenda.

Not to undermine the incident, contact with the helmet was the neck cushion at the back of the helmet.That is why there was no damage. Bad move thou.

I would like to see Horsted.

I think with not knowing how good he might be and I think last time someone talked to his agent he was on the 10 mil a year contract. A little to much for most likely a backup.

I think most people think he is better than most of the backups in the league and maybe a few starters but that is a big assumption. First he is athletic but he was never an accurate passer. Anyone that signs him will have hoards of attention that will distract from the team. The questions will be( what is it like to play with the social justice warrior Kap), instead of (how are you going to slow down Aaron Rodgers). It will be a circus for the team. On saying that we should at least take a look, maybe he is better than Chase.( I wouldnt do it)

In the last 16 games, Goff has 16 TDs, 16 ints-16 fumbles. At least this year lets us see MT for who he is and hopefully Pace doesnt decide to pay him.

All in on that one. Burton not healthy, put him on IR and see what Horsted can do.

Actually in this defense, the two ILBs should always lead the team in tackles. Smith lead the team in Ts. If you focus on Mack, he literally gets held on every play. He always has two people pay attention to him. Double team, chip, or crash him. No excuses, future HOFers have to overcome that. Also they devise schemes to take Mack out of the plays. Roll out opposite him, quick throws.We need the rest of the team to step up and that will take the attention away from Mack. I think next year we keep Kwit even with his pass defense liabilities. His good overcomes his negatives. Plus will be a lot cheaper. Skine was a good signing, he's a player and his contract will keep him here for at least next year and that is a good thing. HaHa is playing better than Jackson. Maybe we resign him and dont give Jackson the big money he expects? Something to think about. Individually Harris , Nichols and RRH look good, but as a whole just not what Hicks brought to this team. The defense is still good just not great.

Lots of negatives but I will dwell on the positive: MT played well even thou he was under pressure all the time. Kwit played well but he probably took over for our best defensive player so far this year. A-Rob is a stud O'Donell is a good punter THATS ALL i GOT

lots of things to look at but Pace, Nagy and MT are not going anywhere, and I suspect next year either. MT will get some competition, draft pick and FA. They are all in bed together, so they all will go at the same time and it wont be next year.

Lots of negatives but they won the game, that is all that matters.

I was going to go work in the yard, now I'm stuck watching the second half. (assholes)

With all the things that have been bad, the most notable is the good players we have not playing up to par. That goes along way if they get their shit together and play better. All of them except maybe A-Rob needs to step up. We are not as good as we were last year but we are not as bad as we have looked this year so far. The turnaround starts today.(maybe)

NYC, I am not sure you can judge Nagy with a 15-10 record as a head coach as being a bust quite yet. Last year was great, this year has yet to be determined. If we can get back to 8 wins or up, the get rid of him talk wont be happening.

Hey Grizz, I downloaded the NFL app on my phone and its lets me watch games that are on NFL network and ESPN that I cant get . I have never checked on a Sunday but maybe you can watch the Bear game on there with no cost. Unfortunately it doesn't work in Thailand, i will be there for all of Dec and Jan. Luckily I found a bar that has every NFL game on it, so I watch them there.

It sounds like Goldman will play today. I have lost a lot of trust, but suggest 31- 13 win with a D TD today. I dont care if we win 3-0, I just want a win. Then one next week, and Detroit again. If we can find away to get to 5-5, I will be a happy camper. Last year gave us high expectations, but I'll be satisfied with a few wins, then I can get positive again.

They started the year with high expectations, as we did. We are 3-5 so they look for answers. The downfall of this year has many reasons. I think the OL needs to play better for the rest of the O to fall into better performances. Today's game will have a lot of answers for us. I think with Nagy coming in last year ,he went over the roster and wanted a new RB, so Paces moves of getting rid of Howard and bringing in Davis and DM was based on what Nagy wanted. One thing I heard that contributed to the whole trade deal was Howard was not in shape last year. It took him most of the year to get back in shape. If I was a coach, any player that came in to camp out of shape would not be high on my list to keep. This year Howard has lost a few pounds and went to Philly in shape. The reason Davis has not had any impact is because the O has been so pitiful this year, our starters have not looked well let alone backups.(excluding A-Rob) What sticks out for me as the main reasons for our demise is the OL and Nagy being stubborn to not change to adapt to our team this year, instead he has been stuck with what was successful last year and didnt adjust. He is now doing that with using the running game more . He needs to start using MT better to take advantages of his legs. Roll outs, moving the pocket and being under center. The next 3 games will go along way it telling us if last year was an anomaly or was what we have to look forward to going forward. Pace has some good moves and bad moves, that hasnt changed because we are 3-5, for me its just about being a winning team and he brought us that last year. For me to build my trust back into having a good feeling going forward is for us to win some games. If we can get to 500, I'll be back on the bandwagon and feel better . It starts today.

Your right on all of your points. At this point , you can only win the game in front of you, so that is all they should be concentrating on. The future will take care of itself once the season is over. If they win the next three games, the narrative changes drastically. We had such high hopes and the season started out 3-1 with a waxing of Minny. The first quarter was a success. 3-1 The second quarter was a 0-4 bust. So in 5 quarters of football we have I bad quarter, one average quarter and 3 great quarters. The arrow is still pointing up, just saying.

Nagy was coach of the year last year and is 3-5 this year. The only game we have been out of in a year and a half was the NO game who is considered the best team in the NFC. Every other loss we had a chance to win at the end of the game. Its a matter of so many breakdowns all at once, bad OL, MT, play calling, D not up to par, Hicks hurt. Nagy has 1 and 1/2 years experience at play calling in this league. They say the last 8 games he called plays in KC, but most people suspect still had his fingers on it. The league adjusted to to him and now he has to adjust. I THINK HE FIGURES IT OUT. The OL is playing bad. We are suppose to have one of the better coaches OL coaches in the league. THEY ARE CONCEDING THAT THE LINE PLAY CALLING MAY BE TO MUCH FOR A 21 YEAR OLD CENTER (PUT WHITEHAIR BACK AT CENTER) LONG WAS DONE AND COWARD IS GOING TO HAVE SOME GROWING PAINS. LENO AND MASSIE WERE NEVER STUDS AND JUST NEEDED TO GET FOCUSED MORE TO BE THE AVERAGE OTs THEY ARE. MT is who he is. MT HAS REGRESSED, NAGY NEEDS TO PLAY TO HIS STRENGTHS INSTEAD OF THINKING HE IS MOVING FORWARD. Last year we were blessed with good health. HICKS BEING HURT AFFECTS MANY ASPECTS OF THE D AND WE NEED TO ADJUST. NICHOLS HURTS A LOT FOR DEPTH. D not up to par. WE CHANGED DC THIS YEAR AND PAGONO THOUGHT HE WAS GETTING 6 ALL PROS THIS YEAR. HICKS IS OUT, SMITH HAS SOME HEALTH ISSUE TO START THE SEASON. JACKSON HAS REGRESSED. THE O BEING SO BAD HAS PUT THE D ON THE FIELD TO MUCH AND IS HAS CONTRIBUTED TO FATIGUE AND BREAKDOWNS. Everything is fixable except MT. Nagy will adjust, he is still a new coach with a 17-10 record. They are making changes to the OL , the switch and Long replaced. The play calling needs to put the OL in a better position to succeed. The D has played well for the most part, just need to get it off the field more so it avoids the fatigue at the end of games.Smith is playing better maybe Jackson was to full of his self after being All Pro last year and needs to focus.