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Its a total shot storm, coach, OC and QB all could have saved it.

He could just spiked it or a quick throw, went downdield instead.

Another rookie mistake, took to long to run the play.

Needed a blowout

Not getting fired today.

Lovie deserved better. Constantly changing regimes has got us nowhere. We can all see Flus isnt a good HC, Poles ( first time GM) sees that to. Lets let the dust settle on this yr and he has brought in a lot of talent since he got here. Of course he has made mistakes, w/o looking, I doubt any new GM gets a 100 on his first test. I think he is still the guy that got a (golden ring) trade that acquired us this. Stevenson is in a brain funk from the Washington play right now but everyone one of these picks could be pro bowlers, if not at least core team players. Drafted CW, could have a got a haul from trading the #1 pick again and stayed with Fields which would have given us a better record. Turned the team over to him knowing he would have growing pains with a rookie QB. He has set this team up for consistant winning in the next 4 yrs of Caleb..This yr sucks but it will arrive next yr. Great cap space and (as of right now) pick 12-40-43-74. He will fix the Ol and DLhttps://www.thedraftnetwork.com/2024/11/26/bears-mock-draft-november-2024#google_vignette Does this fix our problems?

Of course that is what will happen but losing is just depressing to me as a fan. We always say next year but It actually will be next year for us.

I think I got caught up with the expectations of us being good when we were not ready yet for prime time. BUT we got our quarterback and the only thing that matters this year is his development. The team rebuild is not done yet I I pretended we could overcome our lack of quality on the OL and DL. Injuries have saddled our chance at a winning record yet it took miracle finishes by 3 good teams to give us a losing record. Our record states we're bad but does that mean we are close to being very good? Can we win today playing the best team in football, the answer is maybe. We get a few TOs, Caleb balls out and we get a miracle win. That's what Im running with but not betting on it.

Need some advice, should I eat early in case I get sick to my stomach while watching the game? Or eat after and depress my anxiety with over eating? With everybody saying we are getting blown out, does that mean we win the game? Kind of reverse Karma

I agree with most you have to say. I will mention his OL plan failed but he did have one. Injuries crippled it. Not sure anyone can say he knew Bates wouldnt be able to play of which Shelton ( the backup) has ended up being okay at C. Braxton Jones has had a few miss games and Jenkins has only played 79% of the LG position. Wright has been up and down but the OTs have played well the last few games. I suspected he thought Kiran A. would have been able to contribute by now. Total miss on Davis and he's gone now. His plan: Healthy Braxton Jones-healthy Trevin Jenkins- Bates( not available)-Davis(bust)-Wright being more consistant but is trending up. Pryor hasnt been great but thank God he's here because of Davis. He took a 2nd round T on the 3rd round that I think thought would add depth and possibly take Jones spot next year. When he signed Allen he wasnt sure he could draft Odunze who he clearly wanted. A top Wr to grow with Caleb. If we went into the season with Moore, Allen and Kmet and Caleb was failings as he started the year doing, people would be angry because he didnt bring in enough weapons. No matter what he did someone would have been complaining about another position. Next yr is the yr he will be able to add enough assets to fill our weaknesses. In 3 yrs he would have had to it on every move to have been successful right now and he didnt. I think what he should do next yr. With the first pick take a OT to play LT of which 6 are rated in the first round. That leaves Braxton to be swing T. Move Kiran to LG and resign Jenkins to compete with him on a team friendly deal. Shelton-Bates and a rookie pick to fight over the C spot and have depth with the losers. Sign Trey Smith to play RG (never missed a start) and Wright should be excelling at RT. Draft another OG to add depth to the IOL. Resign Pryor for a backup. That still gives him a couple 2nd round picks to add to the DL. By then Booker should be contributing and Dexter will be one yr along in his growth. We have the money bring in a vet DL.

The question was ( does anyone think we are a losing team next year with Poles as the GM)? I didnt ask if there is someone out there that would do better( of course there is). My point is, I dont think Poles is getting fired so once you accept that then 1/ Will he get a good coach ( THEY WILL LINE UP TO GET HERE) =yes 2/ will he fix the OL and DL? = yes he has very good cap space and 4 top 100 picks. If Cunninghan leaves that will be 5 in top 105. If Fields gets anymore playing time, we could have another 4th rounder. The future is bright. You keep looking at worst case scenarios every time you make a point. He hit a home run with that trade and he could have kept Fields and got another great trade for the #1 pick. He is totally responable for Caleb being here. Poles aint leaving, I dont get to make that decision, get on Poles X account and let him know what you think. @RyanPolesBears

I seen a stat where those 6 freak games odds to happen to one team in 2 yrs are 63 million to one .

Since loyality is onne of my faults, you understand why I look for anything positive to grab on to. We are very close to being relivant which will happen next year , just dont feel like selling the house because of a leaky roof and bad heat system. It will be fixed.

We need a little help anywhere we can get it. Players injured on a short week usually means they will at least carry this into this game which means they wont be up to par. At best there out. The Bears are physical so that will help keep them off the field.

Its much more pleasant living with hope than constant anxiety but that's your choice.

Im in lock step with you and have been taking a pounding for giving Poles any kind of support. I've been a Bears fan since 1965 and finally see the bright light at the end of the tunnel. We have the assets to fix the OL and DL , Poles said he would take 4-5 yrs to get the SB competing team, not 2 and 1/2 yrs. I believed him. A great coach will not be hard to find, they will line up to coach a team with Caleb and lots of weapons. As you stated.

We are not getting to the playoffs but if we go 3-3, It would look much better at our chances next year. Raise your hand- how many people here thought we were making the playoffs this year?

Poles deserves to take a hit for several mistakes but does anyone here think if Poles is here next year we are a losing team? Going back to 2019 we have only had 4 first round picks, most of the good teams have had double that. One was Fields that was a Pace mistake. My point is he had farther to go than most teams and had limited assets until he fixed the cap and acquired draft capital. If you're saying that didnt matter then i am not putting much value in your opinion.

Im not talking about Flus he's dead to me for several weeks now, totally refering to Poles. We won 3 games in his first season when he probably shouldnt have won any. 7-10 in his 2nd season and lost 3 games in odds to win were great. Finish 5-3 to end the season. Considering we had a flawed QB those are a team pointing in the right direction. . He has not finished his 3rd yr and the record doesnt look good where a rookie QB and a ton of injuries has jacked up the season. Clearly the biggest problem is the coach that will be gone at the end of the yr. We have lost 3 games in the last seconds of those games against 3 better teams than us. Losing breds losing. Poles has got us Caleb, a upgraded roster and an have assets to fix the OL and DL. I think he has done enough to earn one more year. We are not even done with the third yr yet. Crying failure when the guy has not finished the 3rd year what he said would take 4-5 yrs is premature. Clearly you were right about the coach but I understand why he kept him. He disregarded Fields to draft the QB you wanted-+. Poles should take a hit for keeping Flus but this is looking back, where he was looking forward, a much easier place to give an opinion. Also he misjudged his OL rebuild, Jenkins, hurt to much, Bates just now seeing snaps and Shelton playing above his backup role to begin with. B Jones has dealt with some injuries but is still ranked in the top 20 OTs. Wright has been up and down this year but no one believes he is a bust. He missed on Davis big time but he's gone now. A bad coach, terrible OC and this is where we're at. The overall picture still looks good since he got us the francise QB.

I'll have to look up the stats to see that 3 yrs produces playoffs for most teams. Detroit and Texans did it but trying to find what other teams did. Houston had the advantage of trading Watson for a haul, 3 1sts a 3rd and 2 -4ths. In 2020-2021-2022 they had top 10 picks because of their record which produced a ton of high picks to help their 2023 season. We didnt have first round picks in 2019, 2020, 2022. In 2021 we draft Fields(wasted under Pace). Poles has had 3 first round picks in 3 yrs and one was Caleb. Detriot traded Stafford and have had 8 first round picks since 2019. Everything can not be viewed equal. Houston and Detroit got built using first round picks, Poles has only had 3 since he's been here and inherited a terrible roster with no cap space.

If 2 and 1/2 yrs is all a new regime gets good luck with ever getting a winner. We didnt hire Harbaugh which could do that, Belichek? Do you really think the Bears would do that? Matt Nagy was the hot OC the year he got hired, 2018 he went 12-4 coach of the year. It didnt last. He won because the defense was great that year. Ryan Pace screwed up the roster and put us in cap hell with aging vets. Pace came in with a plan to make us a consistant winner. He did a complete rebuild to fix this team, his first year was never going to win. His second yr he finally had a first round pick and starting to rebuild the roster. With extra draft capital he got us to a 5-3 record at the end of the year, improvement. Then he moved on from Fields and drafted a potenial top 5 QB knowing he would have some growing pains. We would have a better record right now with Fields (IMO), he would have traded the pick for a bundle and added 4 to 5 OL and DL and our team would have performed better. He believed in Caleb and here we are but ( the most important issue was to develop Caleb). He stayed with a coach that has proven to not be good. He srewed that up, he will correct that . Caleb now is in a better position to grow with Brown, that's very obvious. So we may win a few more games but next year with good cap space and 4 top 100 picks, he will fix the trenches. Has he made mistakes yes but the arrow is pointing up. He told George give me 5 yrs, its 2 and 1/2 right now. He will be here next year and have no doubt we will be a very good team.

So the OL is starting to get some consistant play. Appearance wise, the last 2 games have looked better. Every year is different but we matched up well last yr with them. Plus I heard they have a lousy record on Thursdays games, I think they have lost there last 7 games.

I seen someone talking about our OL and they said Shelton is the 10th ranked C on PFF and our 2 OTs are the only team pair ranked in the top 29 OTs. Anyone have a PFF sub?

Every hire can turn out bad and changing everything every 3 yrs is a bad idea. Flus will be gone AND Poles will get his 4 or 5 yrs he said it will take to make a complete rebuild work. Yes he should have got rid of Flus last yr but he seen the defense growing and we finished 5-3 with 3 losses we should have won. He figured a different OC and Caleb would put us in a winning season. Hindsight is a great perspective but he didnt have that advantage. Poles has made many mistakes, find me a first time GM that has everything go right? I think he gets 2 more yrs to do what he said he was going to do. Drafted Caleb Williams when he could have stayed with Fields and added assets on the OL and DL. We could have had more wins right now had he choose that direction. Brought in DJ Moore-Keenan Allen-Monteze Sweat-T Edmunds- TJ Edwards-D Walker-Swift-Billings, these are all core members. Missed on Nate Davis-Claypool. Added core college players Brisker- Gordon-Wright-Odunze-Sanborn-Tory Taylor-R Johnson-B Jones-Dexter. There are several 1st and 2 yr palyers that have yet to prove themselves. We have great cap space giving team friendly deals to JJ-Kmet-Sweat-DJ Moore. big misses on V Jones-Dominicic Robinson. (only counted 4th or higher). The most important key is winning and he is one year away from that. His biggest mistake was keeping Flus which affected everything else. You were right stating that last yr. He will be remembered for the huge team changing trade that ended up getting us Caleb Williams and getting us out of cap hell.