Daventry
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4 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
I reported something I read, none of that has anything to do with my opinion. Same as with Justin, I didn't author anything, I share stories.
Sure you did, just happens to fit your agenda perfectly. Try again.
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5 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:
Ahh, sarcasm...
It is my last bastion in protection from foolishness. Certainly not directed at you.
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8 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
I very well know your position on Fields and Flus, you have a well thought out argument for your opinion. What ever your last post is, it's just repetitive language and I'm not going to read it. It's quite simple, I think Fields can improve and if Poles goes that way that means he does to. If he drafts Williams, im all in on that also, it's okay to like all of his options, I don't need to pick a lane.
Here's what I would like to see happen:
We trade back to 3 (NE) and still draft MHJ , he is, by many considered the top player in the draft. Get a second round pick( 34), and a first next year.
At 9 we trade back with LV, to 14, get a second round pick (44) and a second round next year.
We draft Jared Verse with pick 14.
In the second round at pick 34 we draft Bo Nix and with pick 44 we get Jackson Powers-Johnson .
We run back with Justin and develop Bo Nix.
We improved our WR room, edge and OL, plus have a very successful rookie QB to develop. I know the odds aren't good that he becomes a tier 1 QB but it does happen sometimes.
In 2025 we have 2 first round picks, 3-- 2 nd round picks and we could still go after another QB if things aren't working out. We will have a winning season next year, if you want to move on from Fields at that time , he could be part of the move up to get a higher pick. Lots of assumptions in this scenario but there are assumptions when you take a first pick QB also but now you have MHJ and a stellar OL to work with, and a top 5 defense.
I have to give you credit, that scenario at least makes sense. I don’t agree, but it is at least plausible. Please refrain from your other illogical techniques.
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2 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:
Huh?
My point was, the genius called Stinger, defying logic and plowing on with constant idiocy, would dismiss that positive trait of CW and use his vast skills to reverse logic again and make a positive a negative.
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1 hour ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:
And if Poles decides, after assessing the draft talent, to stick with Justin for at least one more year? ?
Then I am watching and if it fails I am back to not buying merchandise or paying much attention for awhile
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3 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
That's because it's true.
That’s because the narrative of rooting for the underdog who has been mistreated is automatically popular. That’s because those fans haven’t sat and watched Fields suck and lose for three years.
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4 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:
Something else to consider. Was he named team captain? That will tell you a lot. And yes, he was.
No, that doesn’t count. Unless your initials are JF, of course.
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5 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
Heard some great reviews from former USC players, Brendan Rice/WR and Marshawn Lloyd/RB. They said Williams was a great leader and good teammate. Now just like Fields friends on the team , you have to take their opinions with a grain of thought, first time I heard that about Williams.
Funny you say that when you use the same argument to advocate for Fields. Your arguments are outright ridiculous.
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7 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
Yesterday, I looked at every interview and read everything Poles have said. I get a huge impression he's going for the big haul on trading the first pick and running back with Fields.
A few days ago , the Bears put out a team promotion video that was all Justin Fields. Does a team do that if they getting rid of him?
Fields next 3 years of cost, 2024=6 mil, 2025=22 mil, 2026 franchise tag 32.4 mil as of now. That's 3 years of an average 20 mil a year. (The first pick in the draft will earn a 38 mil contract for 4 years, that rookie contract is guaranteed money) Fields contract would be 20 th on QB contracts list right now. Last time I looked that's cheap for a starting QB in the NFL these days. Money won't come into play if they keep Fields.
You can never be accused of being a quitter, that’s for sure. However, beating a dead horse springs to mind….
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2 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
I get it , I was just explaining my position on the matter. If I'm taking a cab ride to the doctor and he gives me medical advice, I just prefer the doctors advise over the cabbie. Everyone has the right to their opinions.
I agree but would use caution with talking heads in the media. Who knows what they really think? It’s a tough situation for sure, tough choices, but I sure hope we get a winning team in the end.
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5 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
So you're saying I am supposed to trust a passionate fans opinion over people that played QB and in the league . I think I'll pass. Now if you're a college or NFL scout then I will value your opinion much more but I don't think that's true. If you want a list , I'll take the time to make the list tomorrow.
I am not saying for you to trust me, I am saying I trust me. I don’t trust the opinions of the talking heads in the media, they all have agendas
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16 minutes ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:
Well to be fair, name the last QB to have been what you considered "successful" in Chicago? Although I bashed him a lot late in his career, Cutler was pretty damn good. Considering what he had to work with. And I added Chase because although he wasn't a multiple playoff winner like Dak Prescott, er I mean, Kirk Cousins....Chase has played a lot as an NFL QB (was a two-time Heisman candidate) and has a pretty good idea what to look for in that regard. AND played under the relentless scrutiny that is Chicago Bears fandom. So yeah...they have some respect in that regard.
I don’t think Cutler was all that good at all, but I don’t want to relive the trauma of his slouch acting schtick that resulted in very little playoff plus results. Daniels is an asterisk in football by any measure. But, as I have said already, I will make my own mind up regardless, I don’t need outside input to decide on the Fields question. I respect others opinions, everyone’s, but I have seen enough and am tired of losing.
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12 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
Okay, I understand that, what about the 30 or40 other players that support Justin? Former bears, former QBs, former coaches, you can't dismiss everybody.
30 or 40? I don’t think there is nearly that many. However, even if there were 300-400, I would not ignore my eyes and the statistics from the last three years and go sheep-like into the JF fan club. We may not have a chance to get the #1 quarterback again for years. I would much rather risk it all that way than rewinding the last three years and/or restarting another rebuild after failure.
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5 minutes ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:
Yeah this sounds a lot like what we was saying a few weeks ago and (surprise) I agree with him. I cited some time back that both he and Chase Daniel threw their support behind Fields. Which I think has some extra weight not only that they both used to play QB in the NFL but for Chicago too. Seems they'd have some idea on what its like.
Throw in Moore's comment towards the end of the season that HE thought Fields was better than the top two picks in the draft and you can't help but listen.
At the end of the day, I am in no way guaranteeing that Justin will win us a SB. Just that he (or any prospective QB really) could do better if given a better chance with more options and better protection.
Extra weight because they played in Chicago? Why? Neither could be considered successful.
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42 minutes ago, Pixote said:
Jay Cutler is on board with keeping Fields, Trading the #1 pick to strengthen the team:
That’s a great reason to do the opposite. I would respect the opinion of a stranger at the bar than that guy
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5 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
I watch tape and form opinions, my question is why do so many ex NFL players and ex QBs still think Fields can be a star? These are people in a locker room, played the position , and have a better perspective than me. No way I'm smarter than them. This causes me to put more faith in their opinions. Am I wrong about that?
I liken it to a uber driver taking me to a doctors appointment and listening to him instead of the doctor about my health.
Yawn. Listen to Aerosmith “Same Old Story Same Old Song and Dance”. Again and again
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37 minutes ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:
I suppose if we all signed off on the same belief this place would be rather boring n'est pas? ?
Haha, fair point.
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25 minutes ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:
This I would agree with. And part of that may involve keeping what they know in Justin versus an unknown in how the (potential) #1 overall pick may perform. To answer your question about player sentiment; why else do you think they do exit interviews for everyone?
Probably to get a sense of the players views and make a show of paying attention to the players views. I am sure they are interested in players views and opinions but will that be a dominant part of decision making? No way IMO. This whole subject seems another attempt to justify keeping Fields, kind of like the cherry picked stats game that is popular.
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7 minutes ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:
How do you suppose they decided to keep Flus on as HC? Solely on his improvement of the Defense or???
So you are implying the ownership were swayed by player sentiment? Lol, here is a more realistic explanation, cheap skate ownership don’t want to eat the contract money. Another more realistic explanation is that we have finished year two of a four year rebuild.
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2 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
Long term, it won't matter but to say it has no effect is a little premature. The coaches culture is (we're in this together) creates a family atmosphere and in the beginning acceptance will take some time. The main reason Flus is back is because the team bought in to his culture.
If the new QB comes in and balls out , it will be a short term situation but if he comes in here with a big ego and struggles, it will create a bad atmosphere for awhile. I have heard 6 interviews by star players and they all think Justin should stay . The latest one was JJ and he said if the coaches did better and a few more weapons , he would ball out.
On the exit interviews if the whole team had that attitude, Poles and Flus will pay attention to that narrative. All of it really blows up if Justin goes somewhere else balling out and Caleb struggles.
The Chargers have a talented roster and clearly somewhere along the line, they gave up on their coach. Football is an emotionally sport, hard to say how it affects the players.
I think there is a good chance that the players saying Justin should stay are saying what they think they should say. Who knows what they really think? And does anyone really think Poles is not going to do what he thinks is best for the team to avoid upsetting the players? Much ado about nothing.
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This is going to be an extremely interesting offseason.
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5 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
You may be right, but someone will think they know how to use Fields better than the great Getsy. They will not base their opinion of Fields on one game. Smart people know the play calling sucks and Fields is under pressure at a high rate. They will take a chance.
Smart people review Fields stats for the last three years and conclude the obvious.
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3 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:
I remember all of the Cutler arguments. Get him more weapons. Get him OL. Get him a good coordinator. In the end, it was Cutler.
Exactly. One can manipulate statistics and manufacture excuses to hide reality.
Which Rookie QB should we draft to replace Fields?
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