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Hub and Bleacher Report indicating that veteran Bears players are leaking info that they "wouldn't be upset if Marshall was cut". I would be very surprised if Brandon is around next year.
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Notice a trend with some of those teams...really bad QB's. Hard to say on some of the teams you are referring to because they haven't done it consistently over a proven period of time and they also have had other major issues (including issues of stability from the coaching ranks, etc).
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That means if Bears wanted to completely unload Cutler (basically cut him), it shouldn't be an issue as it would be astonishing if he didn't get a contract worth $15M (that would literally be impossible). I think it is much more likely than any of us previously thought that Cutler is moved sooner vs. later. I still think the ideal scenario has us getting a pick for him. Teams will be desperate and to be frank, we are selling Jay at his lowest value, but understand if the org wants to make a change. I just wish it was in a year where there were more attractive QB options available.
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I want the Bears to stockpile picks. I don't care about a top 7 pick with this many needs. I want to accumulate as many picks as we can in the first 3 rounds, preferably in the first two rounds. I follow the old Jimmy Johnson and current Beliceck school of drafting. I think if we could clear cap space all while getting some draft picks for Cutler / Marshall, than I am open. We have serious needs and need to reconstruct and entire defense under a new scheme and potentially target a young QB (if we do in fact move Cutler...either way we should be targeting that QB). I still think we could get a 1st round pick for Jay (maybe a 2nd round pick). For Marshall, I see less trade value, but you never know. If we were able to get a 1st for Jay, than I'd take my 7 pick and move down some more (for another 1st and another 2nd and you'd be talking 2 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounders). You might even be able to leverage and move for more. This is a deep draft and in most cases the positions we are focused on aren't necessarily full of elite players at the spot. I am a draft BPA guy but you can do that while accomplishing your needs by moving down in the draft, etc, and than still grabbing the BPA you have at that point. Given the depth at LB / Dline in this draft (supposedly) along with RB and WR, I think we'd be in a good position to stockpile. I do know that CB / Safety are thin though (but I expect us to target safety in FA) and we could technically make a splash LB move in FA as well. I also think by stockpiling picks, we can make an early pick on a QB (if we like a Nick Hundley or someone else) and even consider taking another back and consider moving Forte (if we are looking more "long") and go with a young 2 back set.
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Adding in some comments from Pace's portion. A lot of it was more of the same on Cutler but he talked a bit about Marshall, etc. A lot of this goes to the fact that Fox, Pace and his team are going to do their own independent assessment and not base things on the opinions of people who were in the organization previously or remain in the organization. I like it cause a lot of critical decisions are going to be made in year 1 (a couple of them will be made pretty quickly in regards to Marshall / Jay).
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http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/...back-jay-cutler Good article summing up the QB situation from Fox's comments. Can't argue with a thing he said. Very articulate.
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Some more tidbits: - Says they are only 10 days into looking at the roster and there is not time frame nor rush to evaluate all the players. - Both Willie Young and Jared Allen project at OLB. And the link to the actual press conference, for anyone that wants to see it. http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/vid...01-0ca02399e72e
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@danwiederer: Fox on Marshall: "Regardless of who it is, their focus and energy has to remain on what's going to help us win a championship." He also was asked a question about Marshall and showtime and it would appear that if Marshall sticks around, he will not be allowed to do the show.
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- Gave no commitment about Cutler (just said he's talked to him, along with a lot of other players - Confirmed interest in McCown - Confirmed they will primarily run a 3-4 defense.
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As in McCown bombed or he didn't like the Bills?
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Good god, McCown can't start. I don't mind if we brought him in and he worked with a young QB, but the idea of bringing him in as a starter is an awful idea. Having him on the depth chart is good though.
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IIRC, the guy the Jets moved up for was a gigantic bust and also the guy we were supposedly interested in. While we didn't knock it out of the park with those traded picks, we got far more production out of those two than the Jets did with Robertson or whatever his name was (the Dlinemen).
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The speed would be an excellent fit but the attitude and injuries, not so much. Unless price was right, seems like the risks (e.g., injury and to a lesser extent attitude), outweigh the potential reward on this one. However, when healthy, he'd clearly be an excellent fit in our offense.
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Geeze...I wonder if the Bucs are going to draft a QB at #1 overall. Or maybe they are about to trade us the #1 pick for Jay Cutler, haha.
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I have zero problem with that list.
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Anyone who is worth a decent contract isn't participating in this event. It will be guys who have been out of football, looking to get back in, guys coming off injuries, etc.
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I'm not following. If anything, that makes him look better. He was able to maximize their value and turn them into top picks (he's not the one further coaching them up in the pro's). Also, I don't know that you should talk about Wells cause he was drafted in 2009 (and I don't believe Drayton was at OSU at that point). Did you see their rushing attack this year, it was lethal and their back was outstanding. Elliot was incredible.
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Don't we have to see how Cody responds. Say what you want about Vick's actions, you have to comment the way he's responded to the actions.
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Ian Rappaport indicated this was a huge coup for the Bears and he's extremely well thought of in football circles.
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Would you trade Cutler and our pick to Cleveland for
DABEARSDABOMB replied to DABEARSDABOMB's topic in Bearstalk
It sure would be cool if Wilbon was the Browns GM and willing to trade us Jay for their 2 first round picks. How amazing would that be. That would allow us the quick opportunity to add significant talent to the team while also freeing up significant cap space. That said, we'd have pure crap at the QB position and any QB not named Winston in this draft will be a major project, imo, and well Winston, while I think will be a great QB, has the potential bust rate for stupidity. I still think there are quite a few teams out there, that are going to look at their rosters and say, with a decent QB we can contend. They'll look a this yr's draft and say, okay, Chicago, what will it take to get Jay. I especially think this will be the case for some franchises who have had some pretty long struggles and are itching to get back to the post-season. You can win with Jay if you put a good team around him (we already say that in the past...he's won a playoff game and played great in that game with us and obviously than we lost the NFC championship game). You can't win, even with an elite defense, if you have crap like Geno Smith or everyone the Rams have thrown out, or really even the Bills QB's (and Orton was pretty darn bad last year in reality). The Titans are another factor as they smelled a lot of early success (post move) and have to be itching to get back and tired of failed drafted QB experiences (plus the whole Vandy vibe). It will be very interesting to see what goes down in the next month or so. PS: I should note that I still think that moving Jay only makes sense if you can get substantial value for him. Otherwise, I think we are more likely to put ourselves in a significantly worse position as it really isn't easy to find a QB in this league (and I'd hate to see this defense get fixed only to have Geno Smith QB'ing us and us all throwing up as we can't even make the playoffs). We thankfully all know what we have in Jay now and no one is going to bank on him single handledly winning us the superbowl (which is what the Bears had initially banked on) nor will the Bears front office pass up or ignore the QB position if they see a guy out their they think has "it". While we find that QB, if we put a good team, we can contend and improve all while targeting a better QB to help take us to the next level (that can be groomed). Hell, a lot of it is luck and damn it, we are due, right!!! -
Manziel, their 12th and 19th picks in the draft. With all of the issues going on in Cleveland and the fact that the franchise has been down for so long, they need to find some continuity at QB. Manziel probably isn't that guy (and or could use a change of scenery after going into rehab) and with the defense they have, they need to find a solid QB who can try and get them back to the playoffs. Wilbon suggested Bears trade Cutler for their 2 1st (with no mention of us giving back our 1st), however, I find that incredibly unrealistic (although I would clearly do it, because I think as a franchise, we need to be in full blown, talent accumulation mode right now). I also, while being okay with keeping Jay, like the idea of 2 first round picks (in addition to having our high 2nd round pick) from the perspective of we should be able to seriously beef up our defense and probably take a shot on a QB (if we though one graded out).
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I think he's got some potential.
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This is a really good interview and I think he handled these comments really well.
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Peanut is an all time fav of mine so if he can play, I hope it is in Chicago. That said, kind of funny how the entire article was based upon a 30 second conversation haha.