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So this means Trubisky and ARob are gone. Based on some of their recent comments, this makes a lot of sense now. I am pissed about Pace more than Nagy. Nagy was handed Trubisky and with all the money going to the defense, it did not perform to its value. I can't believe they actually decided to bring Pace back. He is seriously terrible at his job. I can't wait to see another D2 or D3 player drafted 4 rounds early in April.

Can I get an amen or should it be an awomen? You nailed it here. In terms of organizational resources, we dumped a ton into QB (#2 draft pick w/ all those other picks in the stupid trade up, Foles trade, Foles salary, Glennon's salary) and Edge (Draft picks lost in Mack trade + Mack's ridiculous salary + Quinn's ridiculous contract) instead of addressing OT this offseason. Quinn's contract alone could've landed at least one above average OT, yet we rolled with Charles Freaking Leno and Bobbie Massie. Like I said in the other thread, if you picked BPA or used the TalkBears consensus draft picks and free agent acquisitions each year that Pace was GM, the Bears would've made the playoffs the last 3-4 years and probably played in or won a SB. The first mistake we would've done differently was drafting Watson at #3 (instead of Turdbiscuit at #2). That right there adds 2-3 wins per year since 2017. If you don't sign Quinn but add Jack Conklin, OT (signed 3/42) or Bryan Bulaga, OT (signed 3/30), the team is much better this year, maybe even by a game or two. The Bears could've drafted Claypool over Kmet (just like we said to) who would've replaced Burton as the "Adjustor". Look at what Claypool did in Pittsburgh. Could you imagine ARob, Claypool, and Mooney in 3WR sets. Good luck. Those are just the simple and obvious ones. How about not trading up for Miller? How about drafting ANYBODY other than Adam Shaheen in the 2nd round? The GMs job was a lot harder without all this technology and analytics nowadays. You almost have to be an idiot to fail at this job. Ryan Pace's ego and "smartest guy in the room" mentality is what put the Bears in this position. The team he left is in better position to compete for a Super Bowl than the team is has ran for the last 6 years. The Saints are 49-15 in the last 4 years while the Bears are 33-31.

Cincy has the 5th pick, Lions have the 7th, Giants have the 11th pick, and SF picks 12th. All those teams who are only marginally worse than the Bears on paper will have a much bigger improvement in the draft. With the Bears cap situation, you could almost project that they will be worse than in 2020 from a free agent acquisition perspective as well. That's why it looks like 5-7 wins is the max.

Jackson has not been the same player since his injury in 2018. He is a completely different player. From a casual observer perspective, it looks like he is playing to not get hurt. He avoids contact and won't join in on tackles, he just watches others. If you can see any game replays, just watch him the entire game. Its actually shocking that they didn't bench him for Bush or DHC, he is playing that bad. The contract was given to the guy had 8 INT and 21 Passes Defended in 30 games. Not the guy with 2 INTs and 10 PDs in his last 31 games. He is the 2nd highest paid safety and is rated somewhere in the 50's.

Robert Quinn would like to have a word with you. Quinn and Jackson's deals are definitely two of the worst, which should be an indictment on Pace's performance as a Nickelodeon GM.

Here is who we will be playing: HOME: GB, DET, MIN, ARZ, SF, BAL, CIN, NYG AWAY: GB, DET, MIN, CLE, PIT, LAR, SEA, TB Since we don't beat winning teams, we are already looking at 8-8 and that is only if we sweep MIN and DET (unlikely) and beat ARZ, SF, CIN, and NYG. If we split with MIN and DET, that is 6-10. Can we even beat ARZ, SF, CIN or NYG? 6 of the 8 road games against playoff teams. Wow. ARZ will be better next year. SF will be healthy. Burrow will be back for CIN. Saquon will be back for NYG. 5-7 wins seems to be the most likely amount for next year based off the last two years of games. Ouch. What do you think?

Miller provides nothing to this team. He averages 3 receptions for 33 yards a game for his career. Wims has 28 receptions in his career. There is no point keeping guys that are worthless and clearly have discipline issues. I think you have to cut as many non-performing guys as possible. Graham, Skrine, Leno, Massie, Miller, Wims are easy. Hicks will probably be gone too. You try to trade Fuller and/or Jackson and even Mack at this point. I would bring back the following: Santos, Mingo, Edwards, Patterson, McManis, Ifedi, Bush, Scales, Jenkins, Urban, and DHC Bars, Holtz, Vaughters, Woods

The problem is they are all linked. If you keep Pace and Nagy, but have someone new instead of Phillips, how much really changes on the field? If you bring in a new GM, they're going to have their own vision, if you stick them with a HC they don't want, it normally doesn't work out. Let them bring in their team. The coach is then going to want to hire his coordinators and coaches. So if you only get rid of one or the other, it creates a lame duck situation for the other. If you're a new GM, do you want to be held accountable for what Nagy does after you have seen how bad of an offense this team has since he arrived? If you are a new HC, are you really going to trust Pace to bring in the right talent to compete after he has clearly shown he can't?

Pace has had 6 years to get this right. Go back and look at his draft picks and tell me why he should get a 7th year. His best draft pick was Roquan Smith, but guys that were originally good to great picks have dropped off so bad that they are not good picks anymore. What has Eddie Jackson done since 2018? He has never been the same since his injury. He is clearly avoiding contact and just watches the play. He has 2 INTs in his last 31 games. He had 8 in his first 30 games. He has 10 Passes defended in last 31 games, he had 21 Passes defended in his first 30 games. He is now playing like a mid to late-round pick, 1 INT per year with 5 passes defended. You don't make that guy the 2nd highest-paid safety in the league. Besides all the draft failures, Dion Sims, Robert Quinn, Mike Glennon, and Markus Wheaton would like a word with you because Pace is just as bad in free agency as he is in the draft. He resigned Trevathan to an immovable deal yet let Kwit walk for less money. The list goes on and on. Again, was Pace ok at his job fielding a serviceable team that got very lucky in 2018? Yes. Has he done enough in 6 years to keep him around for more? No. Pace has built a .500 ballclub and that is exactly what they have been for 2 years now. Look at the schedule for next year. Unless there are massive changes, I will bet they will not win more than 6 games next year as currently constructed. So that is why you cut sling, use the low cap year in 2021 to reset the roster, let the new GM bring in his players in a rebuild year.

What else do you need to see on Nagy? There is zero accountability in that locker room and it is clear the defense has gotten lazy since Fangio left. The penalties, missed tackles, missed assignments, wrong routes, etc, are all indicators of bad coaching. Do you know what else is? Halftime adjustments. No team was as bad as the Bears in the 3rd quarter because Nagy doesn't have the answers. Where were the adjustments? Do you know how many times he said he didn't see the play because he was too busy looking at his play sheet? To me it is clear he is over his head on all of this and is best suited at the position coach level. He is not an offensive mastermind if you haven't noticed. Trestman ran a better offense. He was brought in to fix the offense and it got worse. He couldn't develop a QB and may have actually made Trubisky worse. The players like Nagy but no one is held accountable. Wims should've been cut after what he did. Furrey should've been fired too. Then Miller does almost the same thing in a playoff game against the same player. The dude is talking smack, just walk away. It's unbelievable. How about benching some guys for their performances? How can you watch Eddie Jackson avoid contact on every snap, then jump offsides like he was going to blow up some run? You allow your defense to play 12 yards off on 3rd and 5 and never question your DC on that? This is not rocket science and these guys are not PhDs in their fields. There is too much data out there now on trends and schemes that it's almost hard to be this bad on offense. That is exactly what we see week in and week out. Our offense looks like they are playing defensively and trying to prevent a turnover. I am ok with Nagy getting one more year due to his contract situation and the hope they reset in 2021 with the cap. Then bring in a real HC to start with a clean slate. After 3 years, besides the smoke and mirrors 2018, this team has played sub .500 ball and the coach has to shoulder that blame.

I have been watching this team since the late 70's, and ever since I got NFL Game Pass, I have watched the last 5-6 year's games multiple times. If you look at my posts, I try to be as optimistic and realistic as possible. I have seen enough to know that Trubisky is a one-read QB. How many more games do you need to see? Go watch the Cleveland game and watch how Mayfield scrambles for a tough first down. He doesn't run out of bounds before the sticks. Trubisky, in his 4th year, is still running out of bounds and taking a sack instead of just lobbing the ball out of bounds. No offense to his intelligence, but those are huge red flags for his competency level. He is still reading his armband on every play. How many more years does he need an armband for every play? Some obscure plays sure, but every play? You can tell he has no clue what he is looking at or for. Most of his throws are his first read and he is going there regardless of the coverage. His QBR for the Wild Card game was 13.1. A league-average QB is 50. Of the other 11 Wild Card QBs, only one was within 36 pts of Trubisky's QBR (Wilson had 17.6). Heinicke, playing for WAS, name their top 3 WRs and TE, I'll wait. He put up a QBR of 63.2 against TB and almost beat Brady. You cannot win anymore without at least a league-average QB and Trubisky is not one and after 4 years he never will be. He has to be in the perfect system with a great O-Line, running game, and great receivers to just be good. Please look at this. I used the same games for Nagy earlier, except have now extended to Trubisky's rookie year to see how he played when the Bears beat a team that ended the season with a winning record. So this looks at Trubisky's contribution to the team's win against a good team. Trubisky has started in 8 games that the Bears beat a winning team in his 4 seasons. He did not have one this year. Just look at his stats, and please tell me why we would want this misery again? His best game was Week 2 against SEA in 2018 when he threw for 200 yards, 200 yards. Think about that for a second. In that game, he threw 2 TDs, which was the only time in 8 games he had more than 1 passing TD. Look at some of those averages, there are some RBs that have better yards per carry than Trubisky has on his passing attempts. This list makes me sick: 2017 Week 6 - BAL 27-24 (8-16, 113 yds, 7.1 AVG, 1 TD, 0 INT) Week 7 - CAR 17-3 (4-7, 107 yds, 15.3 AVG, 0 TD, 0 INT) - 1x 70-yd pass to Cohen 2018 Week 2 - SEA 24-17 (25-34, 200 yds, 5.9 AVG, 2 TD, 2 INT) Week 11 - MIN 25-20 (20-31, 165 yds, 5.3 AVG, 1 TD, 2 INT) Week 14 - LAR 15-6 (16-30, 110 yds, 3.7 AVG, 1 TD, 3 INT) Week 17 - MIN 24-10 (18-26, 163 yds, 6.3 AVG, 0 TD, 0 INT) 2019 Week 4 - MIN 16-6 (2-3, 9 yds, 3.0 AVG, 0 TD, 0 INT) Week 17 - MIN 21-19 (26-37, 207 yds, 5.6 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT) - MIN rested starters 2020 NO WINS AGAINST WINNING TEAMS What more do you need to see?

Also, how can these former QBs not develop young QBs? It must be because both of them sucked as players and they have clearly rubbed that off on Trubisky and Wentz.

3 FA, Foles and high draft pick. Someone like Mullens, Allen, Allen, or Heinicke with Foles and a high draft pick.

I would let the new GM decide Nagy's fate. I still think they need to clean house, including Nagy.

The Bears have only beat 7 teams that ended with a winning record since 2018. 4 of those came against MIN, leaving 3 wins against teams that finished with a winning record. The yearly records correlate perfectly to them beating their schedule. Then you look into how they won those 3 other games. In the Seattle win, they won on a Pick-6 by Prince, against the Rams, Goff literally lost that game and somehow played worse than Trubisky. This year it was Brady forgetting what down it was. In those 7 wins, they only scored over 24 points once and needed great defensive efforts to win 6 of them. Signature Wins: 2018 Week 2 - SEA 24-17 (Amukamara Pick-6) Week 11 - MIN 25-20 Week 14 - LAR 15-6 (Goff 4x INTs and a Safety, Trubisky 110 passing yards and 3 INTs) Week 17 - MIN 24-10 2019 Week 4 - MIN 16-6 Week 17 - MIN 21-19 (MIN rested starters) 2020 Week 5 - TB 20-19 (Brady doesn't know it's 4th Down) What this shows is the entire Nagy era has been smoke and mirrors. They played to their schedule, beat bad teams, owned the Vikings, and basically got lucky. I can't think of another team that has won 28 games in 3 years and this is the list of "big" wins.

The team needs to make 2021 a reset year. Get rid of Phillips, Pace, Lazor, Furrey, Ragone and Pagano at a minimum. If you keep Nagy, tell him he is the HC only and the new OC will run the offense and call plays. Do your best to purge the roster, even consider taking on dead money this year to make 2022 better. If 2021 is going to be a reset year, let Nagy coach it as his final chance. If he doesn't improve, you don't waste a year on a new coach. Cut Leno, Massie, Hicks, Skrine, and Graham. Look to trade Jackson, Fuller, and Mack. The team will probably be stuck with the boat anchors of Quinn, Foles, and Trevathan in 2021, but all will be gone in 2022. You do not resign Trubisky. Let Foles compete with a young FA and rookie. Look at guys like Mullens, Brandon Allen, Kyle Allen and Taylor Heinicke. Sign some mid-level FA WRs like Patrick, Cole, Reynolds, Samuel, or Bourne. All will be upgrades over Miller and Wims. The team will get Cohen back next year, and I assume they will bring Patterson back for another couple of years. They still need another capable RB as Nall is not it. The team is not that far from competing but they need to fix the most important spot on the field in order to take the next step. Draft a QB early, bring in one of the other young QBs, and have them compete with Foles for the starting job next year. The WR room needs an overhaul. Furrey is a bum and the culture in that group needs to change. Wims and Miller are prime examples of that. Wims has more punches than TD catches. Miller got ejected from more playoff games (1) than he has playoff TDs (0). ARob is too passive of a leader. Good possession receiver, but disappeared the last few weeks when the team needed him the most. The interior of the O-Line is a team strength, especially when you get Daniels back. If they can address OT, the line will be at least league average. The defense really need to address safety and edge. I don't know what you do when you can't get a pass rush with Mack. Obviously Quinn is a liability, but maybe you only bring him in on obvious passing downs. I am almost thinking the team is better suited for a 4-3. I know that most plays are in sub packages, but you have a different type of LB in a 4-3 vs 3-4.

I would be perfectly fine if they just outright cut Jackson. He is the 2nd highest paid safety in the league and is completely worthless. He avoids contact, just runs around the field near plays watching others make the tackle. Then when you know they are trying to get you to jump, you jump offsides and gift them more points. He was on the coverage for a TD pass against and his penalty gave the Saints more points. Between him, Wims, and some questionable officiating, and that's the ballgame.

Miller and Wims need to go. Robinson is gone. You are going to have to draft one early and bring in a couple of FAs. Here are some free agent WRs: 50+ receptions: JuJu, Samuel, Jones, Davis, Godwin, Hilton, Cole, Fuller, Reynolds, Patrick 40+ reception: Bourne, Agholor, Green, Byrd, Pascal, Conley Patrick, Cole, and Reynolds should not command a ton of money but all were productive. All would be upgrades over Miller and a slight downgrade from ARob. However, if you can get one of these from each group, and draft one in the first few rounds, then you might actually have a better group than this year.

Kamara against Woods or Iggy? Good luck with that. Manti Te'o revenge game? The only way we have a chance is with some defensive turnovers and a score on defense or special teams. We are going to need to outscore them with how bad our defense is playing. Someone needs to mirror Kamara everywhere, and when Hill is in the game, you know a run off tackle or on the edge is coming. Just fill the damn gap!

You nailed it, it is all of them. Pace, Nagy, Trubisky, and the O-Line (main culprits of Massey, Leno, and Coward). In defense of Trubisky, how can he take a shot when the receivers aren't running any deep routes, or if they do and are bracketed with safeties over the top? Pace made the biggest and initial error drafting Trubisky, then hiring Nagy who can't develop an offense with the players he has. It has been square peg and round hole since. Pagano is the same way. The DBs don't play 12 yards off a receiver on a 3rd and 7 because they want to. That is the scheme. We saw a few flashes of the offense working with Foles and Trubisky. I wonder if we will see Foles if Trubisky starts off bad?

Poll results look like it is flipping me the bird.

Robinson's, see the trend, all the routes are short, so Trubisky's percentage for deep balls is going to be dependent on a very small sample size:

Mooney's route tree vs GB:

What if Trubisky just needed glasses or Lasik? That's why he can't see all those defenders past 10-15 yards.

A lot of QBs struggle with the deep ball.