adam

Yeah so you are basically swapping Fuller+Hicks for ARob. That doesn't seem like a good trade-off for a comparable cap hit. ARob is going to get paid, I just don't think it's with the Bears.

I know, on both sides of the ball. The blindly obvious things they should've been doing all year.

Wow, Bears send Smith on a blitz and him and Mack converge on Watson in the end zone for a safety, a play after Nichols gets a huge sack when Watson holds onto the ball too long. Probably the best back to back plays for the defense in 2 months.

Bears can't do anything after a Mack fumble recovery, then the teams swap TD drives. Bears 14-7. On Texans TD drive, Jackson loses his man and it's an easy TD pass for Watson.

Wow, Monty with an 80-yd TD run, O-Line with great blocking. The defense did enough to force a punt on the first Texans' drive, and actually brought pressure on 3rd Down that ultimately led to the incompletion. However, the pass hit Jackson right in the hands. Another missed INT. It didn't matter this time though.

I think you move on from Leno, Massie, Skrine, and Graham, then have Fuller and Hicks both restructure to save a couple of mil without pushing too much into future years.

I hate to see anyone injured, and hope he recovers, but this is an early Christmas present.

Yep, him too. There are a lot of GM candidates out there, almost hard to whiff on a good one this offseason (unless you are the Bears).

I wouldn't say Floyd is everything we wanted him to be, but he is light years ahead of Quinn who got lazy once he got paid. The scheme really makes a difference, but so does having arguably the best interior lineman and perennial DPOY on that line. There is a huge difference between having to worry about interior pressure vs edge pressure. With Mack on the other edge, you can always chip with the TE and RB as well as shift protection to that side. However, on an interior guy like Donald, you basically lose the RB chip and any TE help. It is interesting to look at what Quinn did with Donald, from 2014-2017 he basically averaged 10 sacks per 16 games with Donald (9.7 to be exact) and Floyd is on pace for 9.2. Floyd has consistently been an underachiever even before Mack on the Bears. I think the change of scenery has pushed him so he can get a nice hefty contract. I bet he does and I bet his performance dips once he gets paid.

So there seems to be 5 very solid QB prospects this year. Trask reminds me of Big Ben, 6'5" and 240 is a tank back there. Mac Jones has really impressed with a crazy completion % with the average over 12. Trask has a ridiculous QB-INT ratio, 38-3 is mind boggling good. All these guys are at least 6'3", all have better comp%, AVG, and TD-INT than both Mahomes and Watson, which is impressive. The assumption is Lawrence goes #1, but looking at the raw numbers, he has the worst comp% of the group, lowest average, and is in the middle of the pack for TD-INT. His biggest factor is his size at 6'6" and experience. I will need to watch some tape on these guys but I would not be disappointed if we got any of them. I feel like at worst you are looking at a decent NFL starter. Trevor Lawrence - 69.2% Comp, 20-3 TD-INT, 9.7 AVG, 2431 yards - 38 G, 6'6" Justin Fields - 78.1% Comp, 15-3 TD-INT, 10.3 AVG, 1407 yards - 31 G, 6'3" Mac Jones - 75.7% Comp, 27-3 TD-INT, 12.2 AVG, 3113 yards - 26 G, 6'3" Kyle Trask - 71.4% Comp, 38-3 TD-INT, 10.1 AVG, 3243 yards - 24 G, 6'5" Zach Wilson - 73.0% Comp, 27-3 TD-INT, 11.1 AVG, 2964 yards - 28 G, 6'3" Patrick Mahomes - 65.7%, 41-10 TD-INT, 8.5 AVG, 5052 yards - 32 G, 6'3" Deshaun Watson - 67.4%, 41-17 TD-INT, 7.9 AVG, 4593 yards - 38 G , 6'3"

There are actually a lot of good GM candidates, WAAAAYYYY more qualified than Pace ever was. Here are a few: Scott Fitterer - SEA, built the Legion of Boom John Dorsey - helped build KC and CLE Ed Dodds - IND Mike Borgonzi - KC Louis Riddick - ESPN Analyst, PHI

This is the realistic tanking pool the Bears are in. With 4 games remaining, they can potentially leap frog the following teams in draft position: 7 . CAR 4-8 (.536) vsDEN 8. ATL 4-8 (.536) @LAC 9. HOU 4-8 (.549) @CHI 10. DEN 4-8 (.568) @CAR 11. WAS 5-7 (.461) @SF 12. DET 5-7 (.505) vsGB 13. CHI 5-7 (.516) vsHOU 14. SF 5-7 (.534) vsWAS SoS is the tiebreaker, so all the Bears need to do to pass CAR, ATL, HOU, and DEN is have the same record as them. A loss against HOU this week would allow the Bears to gain one slot, and since CAR plays DEN, one team will end up tied with the Bears, so that is another guaranteed slot to move to 11th. SF plays WAS, so a WAS win would give the Bears another slot to 10th. ATL is playing a worse team in LAC so they should be favored, which would bump the Bears to 9th. So if the Bears lose and the other games play out as projected, the Bears could be 5-8 with the 9th pick and only behind one of CAR or DEN at 4-9 and DET at 5-8. CAR plays GB in Week 15 and DEN plays BUF, so those are both expected losses. DET plays TEN, so that is an unlikely win for DET as well. So this is the move week. I don't see them gaining any draft position next week.

If Stafford with backup WRs can carve up the Bears, I can't imagine what Watson is going to do. Watson 28 - Bears 13 Projected stats: Jackson with 8 tackle observations (he was there for moral support) Skrine with 7 receptions against (he is being giving this time of year) Mack with 6 missed holding calls (he likes to cuddle) ARob with 5 receptions (at least he didn't run out of bounds one yard short of the sticks) Kmet with 4 targets (huge if true) Trubisky with 3 passes short of the sticks (on 3rd Down of course) Hicks with 2 TFLs (the star of the game) and 1 more loss for the Bares.

You are right, but after a 12-4 playoff season, it was going to take a lot worse than a bad run in an 8-8 season to get rid of Nagy, especially considering all the injuries. I agree on Trubisky, it should've been clear after the first month that he wasn't grasping the offense and still couldn't read a defense. I remember Nagy making the calls for him after he would rush to the line to see the defensive alignment, then back off and get the play call in. That was embarrassing. Not addressing OT was one of Pace's biggest gaffs. How do you think Charles freaking Leno and Bobbie Massie are good enough to start in the NFL, when they would be backups on every other team in the league? They both are swing tackles at best, not starters.

Yep, and he is fast too. I feel like he is going to be a top 5 receiver for the next decade. I know we talked about him on this board but because of the Miller trade, we didn't have a 2nd that year.

Yep, I remember those times. I still can't believe Ditka gave the ball to the Fridge. That was an easy Sweetness TD.

Yeah that was it.

A-Rob can be franchised, then traded though. Still an option.

Pace's status within Halas Hall is a widely known thing. I don't know what that buys him going forward after this debacle. My thought process is they will save him some pride and not fire him until after the season. That's about it.

It's crazy to see some of the WR's Pace passed on to take Miller. The 3 WRs to immediately follow Miller were James Washington, DJ Chark, and Michael Gallup. Pace cited a weak 2019 class and Miller as a can't miss prospect in the reasoning to move up to get Miller. In 2019, at the Bears pick traded to NE, KC drafted Hardman, DJ Metcalf went 8 picks later, Diontae Johnson went 10 picks later, and Terry McLaurin went 20 picks later. Talk about not a complete and utter whiff. They also traded a 4th rounder to move up. Pace's motto should be "pay more to get less"

Yeah, that is one of the bigger problems. This is one of the worst years to need a QB and not have a top 10 pick. 1. NYJ - Lawrence 2. JAX - Best QB not named Trevor 3. CIN - won't need a QB, but teams can trade up to here 4. LAC - won't need a QB, but teams can trade up to here 5. DAL - possible, depends on Dak 6. PHI - possible, Wentz Hurts, but you never know 7. ATL 4-8 - possible, perfect chance to nab Ryan's replacement 8. HOU 4-8 - unlikely, traded to MIA who won't need a QB, but teams can trade up to here 9. CAR 4-8 - doubtful, depends on how they view Bridgewater 10. DEN 4-8 - will need a QB, Lock is not the answer 11. WAS 5-7 - will need a QB, another chance to get their QB and have them sit behind Smith 12. DET 5-7 - may move on from Stafford, even if they don't they could pull the trigger. 13. CHI 5-7 - depends on what they do with developmental QB Trubisky 14. SF 5-7 - possible, Jimmy G not the answer Getting in front of Denver and Washington would be huge. That could give the Bears the 3rd QB off the board. Even the 4th QB gives you the pick between the last of Fields, Lance, and Wilson. The 5th is where the value drops off.

Probably not, but we basically bottomed out in the middle of the Fox era and have yet to truly recover. However, it is hard to imagine Smith doing worse than Trestman and Fox given the same teams.

1. NYJ 0-12 2. JAX 1-11 3. CIN 2-9-1 4. LAC 3-9 5. DAL 3-8 TNF 6. PHI 3-8-1 ----------- 7. ATL 4-8 8. HOU 4-8 9. CAR 4-8 10. DEN 4-8 11. WAS 5-7 12. DET 5-7 13. CHI 5-7 14. SF 5-6 MNF

Insane, Riverboat Ron has that team playing very solid, especially on defense. That D-Line is a top 5 unit. That just helped the Bears draft position. I don't think anyone saw that as a win.

Well I agree on Kiper, he is nothing more than a super fan. On Orlovsky, yes he has been there and done that but was so bad and the team he was on was historically bad that I don't know if that experience is in any way helpful for a guy to then critique other QBs on things he did but worse. It is like pointing out that Rivers throws the ball like a shotput when he makes a bad throw, that is not really analysis or useful. So for him to take the time to post a video of Trubisky with bad footwork on a bad throw that actually hit Kmet in the chest is a waste of time. You are spot on about the other QBs. They can throw from any body position or motion with the same accuracy as they do from traditional drop back. That is what sets them apart from the rest that cannot do that. I like your point about seeing the field, because Trubisky has tunnel vision and doesn't see the whole field, ever. That's why you saw the team cut the field in half for him a lot early on with designed rollouts and bootlegs, so all he had to worry about was 2-3 defenders and 2 receivers. I don't disagree, Pace made the wrong pick, then didnt address the O-Line, and drafted questionable offensive talent. Shaheen was a bust, Cohen is very gadgety, Miller is a bust, Ridley and Wims never amounted to anything. So Monty and Mooney were the only two that were worthy picks. Nagy is definitely responsible as well. Foles struggling was his death sentence. It never was all on Trubisky, and that was on full display week in and week out with Foles under center. Nagy's offensive scheme was so bad that not even another play caller could do anything because the problem was the entire scheme is a joke. It is so predictable and any motion or wrinkles seem to confuse the offense more than the defense.