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Halfway thru "last" season means 2018, not 2019. So 8 games into his first full season at QB. Trubisky has 41 games and can't read defenses. Even if you take into account college starts, Trubisky is already past that point.

It's definitely possible that they met with him, but with like Ashkum said, he is under contract with the Giants, so they can't let that type of news out. It happens all the time, and sometimes it actually gets reported.

26 picks changed hands between Pick 17 and Pick 56 last year. So only 13 stayed with their original teams (1/3). So odds are we will be able to trade down with at least one of our picks, which is exciting.

From the wiki page of the 2019 draft, there were 12 picks in the 1st round that changed hands, 19 in the 2nd, 19 in the 3rd, and 23 in the 4th. So of the first 138 picks, 73 changed (more than half) from their original team. So teams are definitely looking to both move up and down the draft board. I don't think that will be a problem. My belief is some of the compensation may come in a later draft. Like a team giving up it's current 2nd and a future 3rd and a current 4th for one of our 2nd's. That way that team isn't giving up all it's draft capital this year for one player.

Even with Trubisky playing at his current level, this is no worse than an 8-8 team. We will now have the 3rd place schedule (compared to 1st place schedule last year), and it's hard to see all the players that regressed last year actually playing worse. So I don't see us ever getting to the point where we can get a top 10 pick and a blue-chip QB in the foreseeable future. I am all for bringing someone like Keenum in, who would be light years ahead of Daniel if Trubisky falters, but shouldn't cost a ton and we won't have to give up draft capital. Mariota is not gonna happen as he and Trubisky have the same agent.

You can pretty much get the same value at 25 as you can at 50. The Bears swapped 19 with 43. The value is much closer than the draft trade value chart. I am all for trading back on both picks as long as you can get some good value and you have multiple guys still on your big board valued at the later pick.

I was messing with you, I just edited the quote in my reply like this ^

I would not trade Eddie Jackson for Andy Dalton.

Here are some more recent 2nd Round Mocks, I found it interesting that out of the few I looked at, there was not a single player picked in more than one mock (at either pick). So here are 10 players that might land on the team. The only pick I didn't like was Swift in the 2nd. We can't pick for luxury here. If there is not someone of value, you have to look to trade down. 43 - Solomon Kindley, OG, Georgia 50 - Bryce Hall, CB, Virginia 43 - Antoine Windfield Jr, S, Minnesota 50 - D'Andre Swift, RB, Georgia 43 - Jon Greenard, DE, Florida 50 - Albert Okwuegbunam, TE, Missouri 43. Brycen Hopkins, TE, Purdue 50. Isaiah Wilson, OT, Georgia 43. Lloyd Cushenberry III, OG/C, LSU 50. Cole Kmet, TE, Notre Dame For position groups, which is somewhat of a more accurate science, the mocks picked: OL - 3 TE - 3 ---------- CB - 1 Edge - 1 S - 1 RB - 1

After the combine performance, someone is going to pick him up in the 1st round. No way he makes it to 43.

Things are heating up for sure. The good news is Pace is actively working things and based on the reports, they are going to bring someone in to improve the team at QB. Training Camp should be a lot of fun this year.

Here are the snap counts and sacks: Floyd - 916 snaps - 3 sacks RRH - 552 snaps - 2.5 sacks Williams - 540 snaps - 6 snaps Kwit - 518 snaps - 3 sacks Lynch - 249 snaps - 2 sacks Lynch technically is a better pass rusher than Floyd. Even if Floyd dropped into coverage some, he only had one more sack in over 650 snaps than Lynch, that's insane.

What I found interesting was that GB is also in the market for Hooper. So this seems more like a posturing tactic than anything else. I doubt we pick up Hooper after what happened with Burton.

That top 5 defense seemed to revolve around Hicks than anyone else. When he went down, we saw the biggest dip. I don't think you would even know when Floyd was not in there. I am not opposed to bringing him back, but it has to be at a price point that allows the team to have flexibility. At $13M the team doesn't have that.

Looks good to me, now we just need a QB that can hit him in stride.

Cohen has value, I really think he was not used properly yesterday. I wouldn't be opposed to trading him if you can get at least a 4th rounder in return. I am sure is going to cost more once he hits free agency and I doubt the team would pay him much more than what he is getting now. The question would be, can you replace him for the same value and get more output? Oddly enough, I thought Whyte could've been that guy. I could see a team like NO may be interested as a Sproles clone. Payton seemed to always like that type of player, and Pace obviously has connections there.

That's a pretty good article but the author actually contradicts his recommendations with those examples. My thought is, if Floyd was a 3rd round pick, he would not be on the team anymore, or would not be expecting north of $10M a year. $13M is crazy money for him. We just don't have the cap for that if we are trying to compete in 2020. Also, just note as you are seeing the players listed, none of them were across from Mack, Watt, or Miller like Floyd was. Here is my take on the players they talked about: 1. First, it's funny they used Lawson because he is the best example for the Bears as the Bills declined his 5th-year option last year (same draft class as Floyd) AND are allowing him to walk after his 4th season. The Bears accepted Floyd's last year and now have to make the decision on his 5th year this year. As much as I don't want to pay Floyd, I wouldn't pay Lawson either. Neither are elite Edge guys or even league average for that matter. So this one supports the position of dumping Floyd instead of paying him. 2. Golden is a bad example, or only one if you want to make a case to support a different argument. He is on his second team, in a completely different system and was starting regularly for the first time (never had more than 11 starts until this year). The best part, in a fraction of the games started, Golden has put up similar numbers than Floyd. Again, if you use this example, you pay Golden, not Floyd. 3. Irvin? He was on the Seahawks defense when it was ridiculous and they didn't have the money to sign him, so he was the odd man out. Every year since leaving SEA he has had at least 6.5 sacks. So I don't know what the relation is to Floyd's situation. Floyd had 3 sacks this year and has only had more than 4.5 once (his rookie year). Why would you pay Floyd more than what Irvin got from OAK ($9.25M/AV), even in today's cap dollars, I am not paying Floyd that kind of money for half the production. 4. Smith, I get he is an Edge player, and was coming off a rookie deal, but he had 8.5 sacks in limited duty in BAL (which projected to over 10 in full duty - he ended with 13.5). So how does Floyd's 3 little sacks relate to Smith? Smith is closer to Mack than he is to Floyd. That one is silly. Smith got $16.5M, Floyd doesn't even deserve half of that. 5. Dee Ford? He had 10 sacks in his 3rd year, then got hurt and basically missed the entire 2017 season. In 2018, his last with KC he had 13 sacks, but then dropped off to 6.5 in limited time with SF. So this makes me think that the author wants us to pick up Floyd's option only because Ford had a great 5th year, but then in the same paragraph says buyer beware if you want to sign him long term. The author seems to think it is wise to accept Floyd's $13M or extend him at $11M a year. Floyd had every opportunity to earn $13M in his 5th-year option or even a long term extension by producing across from Mack this year, no injuries, etc, and he didn't show up. Now we are going to double down on him doing it this year? I would rather let him walk, get a more productive guy (for less) AND then potentially get a comp pick if Floyd does sign a big deal somewhere else. Just so we are tracking, Floyd currently has the 44th highest defensive player cap hit for 2020. He would move down after free agency, but not by much. With 32 teams, that puts him as the 2nd most valuable player on a team, Leonard Floyd was probably 9th or 10th on the Bears. For Edge players, that put Floyd 18th, again if you use 32 teams, he would be paid like a #1 Edge guy. The #2 Edge guys (paid between 33-64) make between $3M and $8.3M. 123 players had more sacks in 2019 than Floyd. To me, it's easy math. If you offer him anything, it's no more than $8.5M a year. That gives the team close to $5M in cap savings to re-sign or sign other players.

I had two extensions listed, I just put a random term in there, I probably should not have. Essentially one extension keeps him at the same price for longer and one extension is where he takes a paycut.

With the current cap situation, the team can't afford to pay Floyd $13.2M for that production, especially with Mack's new money kicking in. You just can't put that much money into a position group like that unless both are Pro Bowlers, which Floyd is not. If they do, it's a huge mistake. I think they are looking for trade partners and if they can't find one, Floyd will be cut. Just look at Atlanta, they let Beasley go (who had 8 sacks) and only a few years removed from when he had 15 sacks, yet the Bears are going to keep Floyd for that price for 3 sacks?

I think the Bears will hedge their bets, accept his 5th year (no risk), but bring in real competition.

MOAR POLLS!

We haven't done one of these in awhile.

btw, Nagy seemed to be rejuvenated, which was nice to see. I know that means very little, but body language tells a lot and he seems super excited with the new coaching additions/changes. It feels like he offloaded a lot of responsibilities onto the new guys, and he may now only be involved in calling plays and handling normal HC duties. So we will see how this plays out, but to me it seems like a net positive.

I thought I read the new CBA would not impact 2017 draftee option years? Just the fact that he said he was waiting to May tells me everything. If he was all in on Mitch, he would state that he is picking up the option, end of statement. By giving it a timeline, and only saying they would decide in May says everything you need to know. Pace is going to attempt something in free agency, then in the draft, and only if he is unsuccessful will he pick up the 5th year option on Mitch. That way, if he finds his guy, he has a year to work out a trade for Mitch (unless Mitch is traded on draft day), where he can ride the pine for a year. Here is the thing, there is no risk in accepting the option year as the team still has an out after the 4th year, like the position they are in with Floyd now. It is only guaranteed for injury. So the fact that Pace has not committed to Mitch that way says it all.

That's a whole lot of nothing, lol. I liked Horsted's potential, and I thought Holtz was solid, but neither are Day 1 starters. We still need that top end guy. Burton's injury status makes him a huge question mark and they can't make the same mistake twice. TE was the worst position group on the team and arguably the league last year. You can't stay pat or try again, you have to make some changes. Picking up Holtz was a good start, but I still think they bring in someone like Ebron or draft one early.