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In regards to a new coach, I also heard Sean Payton might be an option after this year, reuniting him with Pace. Payton went to H.S. in Naperville and college at EIU. He also shares a name with the GOAT, so there would be that too.

Fangio summarized (all comments from article):

Unframed free agents is an interesting way to put it. I would think a few make the PS, but I think Phillips and Gentry both have a chance to make the 53-man roster.

We won over 30 years ago, so using us as an example is probably not the best way to support your argument. Also, some will argue with some good data to back it up that our 1986 defense was even better than our 1985 defense, yet we lost in the Divisional Round, probably needed a better QB.

I don't know if comparing one player (QB) to an entire side of the football is a fair comparison to start with. I think of it this way; what one position, if you were to draft a future HoFer in would have the biggest impact on the team? QB without a doubt. Do you not agree? So just say we drafted Garrett instead of Trubisky, but both are going to be future HoFers, which one makes our team (more) better? I think Houston is an interesting case of defense vs QB, they had potentially one of the worst QB positions ever to make the playoffs, but their defense was good enough to carry them to the playoffs. So you would think hey defense is more important than QB. However, they did that without arguably the best defensive player in the league. So the value of the best defensive player in the league was displayed and it was nowhere near the loss of a MVP-caliber QB. So 1v1, QB wins. I would say defense as a unit may be more valuable than any one player, but it would be a close valuation to franchise QB. Since we haven't won one in over 30 years and we haven't had a true franchise QB, so I say you find the franchise QB at all costs, then build the team around him.

I think your list answers the question pretty soundly, you need a franchise QB. Even if they have a down year statistically, they did enough to win when they were not at their best. Once you have the franchise QB, you need to have a decent run game and a good to great defense that is opportunistic. I think the strongest correlation to success has been turnover ratio and QB Rating differential. Also, if you take those anomalies into consideration, like the 2007 Giants, who literally got every break possible, you would see them beating teams with great QB's (Giants beat Romo and Favre). So I say, yes to franchise QB.

That is worth at least 2 additional receptions and 1 first down per game according to PFF.

Is that your projection? That would be impressive, especially since Hill only had 267 rushing yards (half of those on 2 runs) and 593 receiving yards. I am thinking more along the lines of 300 rushing and 500 receiving yards and 5 TD's.

I like the idea, everything is based on odds, so the more darts, the greater the chance of a bulls-eye. Also, it is great to bring in competition to raise the level of play of everyone and improve the bottom half of the 53 man roster.

Cool to see him selected as a 4th rounder, when 10 of the 14 are 1st rounders. I hope we get contributions from all picks this year.

$7.9 cap savings, which gives some space to bring in a few others to round out the roster. Also saw: He would be an interesting pick up, I wonder if they would leave him at RB or try him at WR. We are actually pretty deep at RB, so I don't see him making the team.

Sports Illustrated: The Bears did not draft a receiver, and their depth chart at the position is a hodgepodge of options—Cameron Meredith, undrafted in 2015, actually led the team in receiving last year. There is an opportunity, then, for Gentry, a 6' 1", 200-pounder with sticky hands. He produced 1,300-plus yards and 14 TDs last season. PFF: Following the draft, the Bears signed former Wyoming WR Tanner Gentry as an undrafted free agent. In 2016, he graded as the 13th-best WR in the class (minimum 600 snaps). Gentry was the most active deep threat in college football last year. He had 49 deep passing targets (3.5 targets per game) and caught 22 of them, both tops in the FBS in 2016. Compared to the rest of the NFC North, the Bears threw the most catchable deep balls (33) and had the highest proportion of deep-ball targets (20.2 percent) last season. Josh Allen, Gentry’s quarterback in 2016, had a 91.6 NFL QB rating overall. When targeting Gentry, his rating was 124.6. Bleacher Report: The Chicago Bears' 2017 NFL draft will always be defined by the trade that landed quarterback Mitchell Trubisky. But the team only made four more selections through the final six rounds. Such a small number of picks wasn't enough to address all of the team's concerns. The front office attempted to build around Trubisky with the selections of Ashland tight end Adam Shaheen, North Carolina A&T running back Tarik Cohen and Kutztown offensive lineman Jordan Morgan. However, wide receiver wasn't addressed. Chicago has an eclectic collection of talent at wide receiver, but none of the targets strikes fear into defenses, unless Kevin White finally develops. Otherwise, the Bears quarterbacks will rely on Cameron Meredith, Deonte Thompson, Rueben Randle, Markus Wheaton and Kendall Wright. With a strong camp, an undrafted free agent like Tanner Gentry can push aside some of these retread receiver options. Gentry is a 6'1", 208-pound target with a 38" vertical, per NFL Draft Scout. His vertical would have finished fourth among wide receivers at the NFL combine. The Wyoming product finished his senior campaign with 72 receptions for 1,326 yards and 14 touchdowns. According to PFF College Football, he ranked eighth in this year's class with an average of 3.41 yards per route run. The Bears need more of an outside threat from their wide receivers, and Gentry can help. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was concerned that we didn't draft a WR, but Gentry may stick. What do you think?

Didn't he play in SF under Fangio? I thought we were looking to him a few years ago. Either way, a nice depth signing. Less drop off from starter to subs is another way to improve roster.

Thanks guys, I just post what I look up, sometimes interesting, sometimes not. I was surprised at how close their numbers were and then realizing Wentz was hurt and was a 5th year senior of an FCS school to boot. So even if some gave Philly some flack, it was justified but I don't see why the Bears or Trubisky should receive the same treatment. If you also look at the trade value charts, we actually "won" the trade and didn't have to give up any extra pick better than a 3rd. Even though KC and HOU moved up more slots, they both lost their trades and gave up extra 1st's.

I saw a discussion on Twitter that said Wentz only had 6 more completions than Trubisky in college, which I was surprised to hear. So I looked up their numbers: Wentz - 392-612, 64.1, 5115 yds, 8.4 Y/A, 45 TD, 14 INT Trubisky - 386-572, 67.5, 4762 yds, 8.3 Y/A, 41 TD, 10 INT So the whole lack of experience thing with Trubisky is sort of bogus. Also, I cannot believe Philly didn't get more crap for trading up for Wentz. He was an FCS QB who only played in 7 games and was a 5th year Senior. How the hell was this guy even a top rated QB? When I look back at old articles, they don't even mention he was a small school QB who was hurt and missed 8 games? So Trubisky has 6 less completions than Wentz, with a better Comp% and TD/INT Ratio against tougher competition, plays the entire year prior to being drafted, and is somehow a worse pick?

Bears waived RB David Cobb. The ex-Titans bust made it four months on the Bears' offseason roster. Also waived Monday were RB Bralon Addison, WR Dres Anderson, CB DeVante Bausby, CB Jacoby Glenn and TE Justin Perillo. http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/357...cluding-rb-cobb Bausby and Glenn were the biggest names and the crowded secondary gets thinner really quick.

I added the link, odd you could not see the embedded video.

Man I am good: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/...ft-trade-chart/

Peter King‏ @SI_PeterKing 5h5 hours ago Just finished writing why the Bears didn’t overpay for Trubisky for MMQB. I’m sure there will be widespread agreement. Interesting, can't wait to see what Peter King says about the move.

For those that haven't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKd0KgcS8VA

I wonder why Cohen wasn't in your dream draft, you nailed that one?

Rotoworld: Chicago Bears 1 (2). North Carolina QB Mitchell Trubisky 2 (45). Ashland TE Adam Shaheen 4 (112). Alabama S Eddie Jackson 4 (119). North Carolina A&T RB Tarik Cohen 5 (147). Kutztown OG Jordan Morgan Overview: The Bears’ extremely ill-advised, desperation-driven one-spot climb for Trubisky cost them pick Nos. 67, 111, and a 2018 third-rounder. At UNC, Trubisky spent two years backing up Marquise Williams, who couldn’t beat out “Joe Callahan” as a Packers camp arm last year. In round two, Chicago dropped from No. 36 to 45 to add Nos. 119, 197, and a 2018 fourth-rounder. They wasted No. 45 on D-2 Frankenstein lookalike Shaheen. Ballhawking safety Jackson was my favorite Bears pick, although Jackson enters the NFL with significant injury concerns, and moving up for him cost Chicago the No. 197 pick in exchange for just a five-spot climb. Fellow fourth-rounder Cohen is a fun guy to watch, but he has almost no chance to make an NFL offensive impact at 5-foot-7, 179. Remember Garrett Wolfe? 60% of the Bears’ draft came from sub-Division-1 schools. Ultimately, the class will pay off if Trubisky turns into a franchise quarterback. Yet there is absolutely no way 13 college starts provide enough evidence to suggest Trubisky is a good-probability bet. It’s more likely that this was the worst draft in the entire league. Grade: F

and retained our original picks

Chicago Bears: F Grade Goals Entering the 2017 NFL Draft: The Bears spent a ton of money on Mike Glennon, so why would they spend a first-round on a pedestrian quarterback prospect? Glennon is not the answer, but neither is Mitchell Trubisky or Deshaun Watson. Chicago has to add talent to its secondary, receiving corps and offensive tackle group. 2017 NFL Draft Accomplishments: This section is misleading because it says "2017 NFL Draft Accomplishments." The Bears didn't accomplish anything outside of setting their franchise back five years. I can't believe how bad Chicago's draft was. Of the five picks the team made, three earned Millen grades. I can't say this for certain, but I'm almost confident that it's the highest percentage (60%) of Millen grades I've given to one team for any draft class. Thus, Chicago may have obtained the worst prospective NFL Draft class of all time. The disaster began early when the Bears allowed the 49ers to con them into trading up to No. 2. They then made the mistake that numerous incompetent teams have made over the years, as they reached for a middling quarterback prospect over a superior talent. This has always backfired. Take a look at some examples from this decade alone: - The Jaguars picked Blaine Gabbert over J.J. Watt - The Titans picked Jake Locker over J.J. Watt and Tyron Smith - The Vikings picked Christian Ponder over Robert Quinn - The Dolphins picked Ryan Tannehill over Luke Kuechly - The Bills picked E.J. Manuel over Tyler Eifert - The Jaguars picked Blake Bortles over Khalil Mack There are many more examples of this, so shame on the Bears for not learning from the mistakes that incompetent front offices have made over the years. The rest of Chicago's picks were lackluster, save for the Eddie Jackson selection. What's worse is that the Bears failed to take care of their goals. They didn't pick up a tackle; they failed to find a receiver; and outside of Jackson, they didn't address the secondary, particularly the problematic cornerback position. At any rate, I've said enough. This is the easiest "F" team grade I've ever given. I'm not even naming it a Millen. It's that bad. ------------------ I don't know what qualifies them more than anyone else but saying our draft is the worst one ever is pretty harsh and ridiculous.

He failed a physical, so he has medical issues. If those aren't too serious, then that would be a nice add to the DLine.