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Our luck we run the table and get a crappy pick and finish 7-9. I think we split and finish at 5-11. I think we beat Detroit because Stafford is due a bad game and Floyd on turf should be fun. Then I think we win one of our last 3 but play all fairly close due to weather vs GB and WAS.

White has missed 28 games in 2 seasons. If there is a similar case where a player comes back in his 3rd season and becomes a stud for 10 years, please let me know. Based on others, someone injured that much is basically done.

I know they talked about him coming back but I just can't see it. I think that was just positioning to some how show he still has some value.

I am just taking a wait and see mode with the QB situation, but at least we have options: Hoyer, Shaw, Barkley, a rookie, and God-forbid Cutler again, but at least we will be going in with options. I wasn't trying to rip Barkley, he was throwing to a pretty weak receiving corps without a bunch of starting O-Linemen. If not for a few drops we win. He is definitely worth a look, and I hope he gets an extended look for the remainder of the year.

1st and goal at the 7, down by 6 with 47 seconds left and we don't gain a single yard. That was either awful or intentional. I don't know if we can use one game to evaluate Barkley, we were down 27-7 with 9 minutes remaining before Tennessee went into prevent. Before that Barkley didn't do much. At this point, I will take the loss but no one is doing us any favors, CLE, SF, JAX, and CIN all lost and the Jets are now losing to NE. So the bottom 5 all lost.

Reports are coming out that he is day to day and may only miss a game or two. Soreness.....

With Fitzgerald's and Palmer's age, Cutler/Alshon would be a great combo for the Cards too, especially with that defense, Johnson, and Floyd/Brown.

We are pretty much a lock for the top 5. I think you go QB if the one you want is there (and you know won't be there in the 30's). If they are gone, then you either go BPA or try to move down into the middle of the 1st and get some extra picks.

Garoppolo has never thrown an INT though.....kidding. I wouldn't mind trading for him, but not for a first if we are drafting in the top 5. I might consider swapping 2nd's or giving up a 3rd outright, but I can't see us moving out of the top 5 for a former 2nd round pick. He is only signed thru 2017, so we would not really be able to take advantage of a lower QB salary in the first 3-4 years.

Someone paid for Sam Bradford, so anything is possible. RG3 and Fitzpatrick got interest in them. I think we discount Cutler slightly, and teams looking for a veteran would absolutely be interested. We might not get what we want for him, but anything would be worth it at this point.

To me, we just need a better OC. I think Fox gets an alibi for the injuries this year, but we would need a swift turn around next year for him to continuing coaching here beyond 2017-18.

Here are Cutler's remaining contract numbers: 2017: Cap hit of $16 million, if cut $2 million cap hit 2018: Cap hit of $17 million, if cut $1 million cap hit 2019: Cap hit of $20 million, zero dead money 2020: Cap hit of $21.7 million, zero dead money So even if we just had to cut him, the cap hit would be minimal in today's standards. However, if there was a trade, since you are trading the contract, you are not obligated after the trade for anything in the contract unless that is negotiated (as far as I know). To me, it is hard to have him be the highest paid player on the team with no intentions of him being "the guy". Hoyer/Shaw/rookie with FA/draft improvements to the O-Line and Secondary would be better than Cutler alone.

The Jets, Texans, or Cardinals seem like teams that could be looking for a veteran QB now. They all are (or should've been) on the cusp of the playoffs, but have had really bad QB play. All those teams have decent defenses that could mask Cutler's shortcomings more than we can right now.

Sure they have the cap space, but just because you have it, doesn't mean you need to waste it. From the comments in the offseason, this was the last year to evaluate Cutler, and by all accounts (like the rest of team for the most part) has been a failure. Only Fitzpatrick, Keenum and Osweiler have been worse that Cutler (for QBs with at least 5 games and 1000 yards passing). That is saying a lot, especially with him playing worse than almost all CLE QB's and SF QB's. You only pay a guy north of $15 million if you believe you have a shot at the playoffs with him. Cutler had one good game (not even a great game) this year, and 4 mediocre to horrible games. He had INTs in 4 out of 5 games, and turns the ball over once every 20 plays. You can't win with that, you just can't. For all his physical skills, he has never shown that he has it upstairs. Is he tough, sure, strong-armed, yep, but he just doesn't have the processing power to digest defenses and schemes on the fly. At this point, I think bringing him back in any capacity would be a mistake. I think you go with Hoyer and Shaw (who should both improve with some continuity) and draft one in the first or second. Use the available salary cap resources to bring in one or two more guys on each side of the ball.

I can't see any scenario where Cutler is back. There would be no point to pay him that much in another build year.

Wow, these tests are easily circumvented and we get two guys nabbed in a matter of weeks? This is beyond ridiculous now.

Cutler's last pass was an INT in the 4th quarter with a chance to win, sort of ends his career in a ironic fashion. INT+loss+injury

The 6-4 Detroit Lions are in 1st place with a +6 in net points. Minnesota looks a shell of their former self, and GB at 4-6 is laughable. At 2-8, we are obviously out of playoff contention, especially considering we have 13 players on IR, plus Miller from last night. Sitton and Floyd also left with injuries, while Massie, Urein, and Hall were out. That does not include Callahan, Porter, McPhee, Goldman, Young, Wilson, and Royal who are all nursing injuries and may miss time as well. My question to you all is, are we being too hard on the team/coaches/management for this debacle? Did our expectations of improvement mask the fact that we have the most injuries in the league? I believe we now have the most on IR (14) in the NFL. SD has 13 and is 4-6 and is last in their division and will also miss the playoffs. I was thinking the defense was the problem, but we have scored the 2nd lowest amount of points in the league at 157 (only LA has less at 149). So we are 8 pts from being the worst scoring team in the league. Even the Browns have scored more than us. Can you imagine if we were just league average (230 pts)? That would be 73 more pts, or a TD per game, we would be a 5-5 team right now and only one game back of the Division lead.

Yeah, the more I think about it, it really irks me.

We had early 16-6 lead, 16-9 at half (amazing right?), then got shutout in 2nd half and lost 22-16 with multiple possessions to tie/win the game near the end. In those possessions, Cutler got sacked, strip-sacked, and threw game ending INT. The defense played doctor Jekyll and Mr. Hyde all game long. One drive, look dominant and next drive, look completely lost. The offense looked good in the first half and looked like a high school team in the 2nd half. Sitton and Miller got hurt, and Floyd got hurt so bad he was carted off on a backboard with an apparent neck injury. So Floyd completes the Quad-fecta, and joins fellow 1st rounders (White, Fuller, and a Long) with injuries. Mike Adams was worse than a tackling dummy (the kid's version with the sand at the bottom). He led to most of the pressure on Cutler. Leno is not a starting tackle. He completely ignored Vernon on multiple plays (both run and pass) and almost got Cutler killed a few times. Howard looked good in the first half, then grew stone hands in the 2nd, he had an eye injury that may have impacted his depth perception or something but he missed some very simple catches. 8 targets and 1 catch. I think the Bears receivers dropped at least 7-8 catchable balls Bellamy had a muffed punt bounce right to him and in good ol' Bears fashion missed it and the Giants recovered. O'Donnell's kicking was actually a highlight for the team. McPhee had a single tackle and was not visible all game. I remember some of us wanted Landon Collins in the draft, and he is on fire this year, and ended up with the INT that ended the game. Now more than ever, how did we pick Kwiatkoski, Bush, and Hall and not take a flyer with only one of those picks on Prescott? I feel like the coaching staff and Pace will get a pass on this season due to all the injuries, but I am assuming Cutler/Loggains will be gone. It seems like Cutler's presence has basically muted the team's identity. There is no doubt he has the physical traits to be a good QB, but there is just something always missing from his game. Again, I see him ending up like Fitzpatrick and ultimately playing decent enough for teams to take some flyers on him. What sucks is we are fighting for draft positions against some horrible teams. CLE would lose to themselves and should just forfeit the rest of their season. So we are going to draft at best 2nd and no worse than 5th (SF, JAX, NYJ). With those, I would take BPA, and then move into the back end of the 1st round and nab a QB (if we don't pick one first).

Romo is done, and Cutler will be gone one way or another. I would rather go with a rookie and work thru the growing pains.

What sucks is as bad as we are, Cleveland and SF are even worse and we are 1-2 wins from drafting closer to 10 again. We really need to lose out to have any chance at a top 3 pick.

You still play to win but you do not take any unnecessary risks with injuries, rest the vets, and let the kids play.

That is not the new Cleveland model, no way they take Cutler. Alshon maybe, but no way on Cutler. After the TB game, Cutler has now become a journeyman QB who will end up like Fitzpatrick.

The numbers say something entirely different though. If you take the top 10 teams in the league over the past 10 years (by record) and add up how many times they picked in the top 10, you will see that your theory does not stand up. NE, IND, PIT, GB, SD, BAL, DEN, DAL, SEA, and NO have only drafted in the top 10 in the last 10 years (100 potential picks) 12 times (and 5 of those were from DAL/SEA). So the other 8 teams only had 5 top 10 picks in the last decade. They have consistently won because of solid overall drafts, and not because of higher picks. There have only been 5 selections by these teams in the top 5 in the last 10 years with PIT not having a pick higher than 15.