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If we got #9 and #33 while still having something around #37, you take it. With pick #33, you could always use a later pick to slide into the back end of the first to gain that extra year on the contract. Also, there are a bunch of deals going on with those early 2nd round picks after Day 1 ends. So I could even see us moving off #33 (since we have #37) and pick up some extra picks that way.

Massie has over a $6mil cap hit with bonus. He has the 7th highest cap hit on the team next year, and I don't know if we are really getting our ROI with him at that price.

4. Chicago Bears: DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame 37. Chicago Bears: Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin 68. Chicago Bears: Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU What do you think? I don't know about a WR that high with the needs in the secondary.

Besides Cutler, how many of those guys were actually starters? Those are all fringe guys and will all probably be gone next year anyway. Wilson, Thompson, Bellamy, Paulsen, Larsen, and Hoyer are all FA's. The bigger questions are Alshon, Miller, Leno, Royal, Porter, Houston, Massie, with the last 2 making over $6mil each.

Jets beat SF, so it is still CLE, SF, JAX, and us 4th with no other team with 3 wins. Jets and Rams have 4 wins so it looks like we can do no worse than 6th at this point and probably no better than 3rd.

Play good enough to win but refs do everything in their power to help us with higher draft pick. Last drive was crazy, multiple ticky tack hiding calls, then a no-call against DET for DPI and we lose by 3.

Our luck we run the table and get a crappy pick and finish 7-9. I think we split and finish at 5-11. I think we beat Detroit because Stafford is due a bad game and Floyd on turf should be fun. Then I think we win one of our last 3 but play all fairly close due to weather vs GB and WAS.

White has missed 28 games in 2 seasons. If there is a similar case where a player comes back in his 3rd season and becomes a stud for 10 years, please let me know. Based on others, someone injured that much is basically done.

I know they talked about him coming back but I just can't see it. I think that was just positioning to some how show he still has some value.

I am just taking a wait and see mode with the QB situation, but at least we have options: Hoyer, Shaw, Barkley, a rookie, and God-forbid Cutler again, but at least we will be going in with options. I wasn't trying to rip Barkley, he was throwing to a pretty weak receiving corps without a bunch of starting O-Linemen. If not for a few drops we win. He is definitely worth a look, and I hope he gets an extended look for the remainder of the year.

1st and goal at the 7, down by 6 with 47 seconds left and we don't gain a single yard. That was either awful or intentional. I don't know if we can use one game to evaluate Barkley, we were down 27-7 with 9 minutes remaining before Tennessee went into prevent. Before that Barkley didn't do much. At this point, I will take the loss but no one is doing us any favors, CLE, SF, JAX, and CIN all lost and the Jets are now losing to NE. So the bottom 5 all lost.

Reports are coming out that he is day to day and may only miss a game or two. Soreness.....

With Fitzgerald's and Palmer's age, Cutler/Alshon would be a great combo for the Cards too, especially with that defense, Johnson, and Floyd/Brown.

We are pretty much a lock for the top 5. I think you go QB if the one you want is there (and you know won't be there in the 30's). If they are gone, then you either go BPA or try to move down into the middle of the 1st and get some extra picks.

Garoppolo has never thrown an INT though.....kidding. I wouldn't mind trading for him, but not for a first if we are drafting in the top 5. I might consider swapping 2nd's or giving up a 3rd outright, but I can't see us moving out of the top 5 for a former 2nd round pick. He is only signed thru 2017, so we would not really be able to take advantage of a lower QB salary in the first 3-4 years.

Someone paid for Sam Bradford, so anything is possible. RG3 and Fitzpatrick got interest in them. I think we discount Cutler slightly, and teams looking for a veteran would absolutely be interested. We might not get what we want for him, but anything would be worth it at this point.

To me, we just need a better OC. I think Fox gets an alibi for the injuries this year, but we would need a swift turn around next year for him to continuing coaching here beyond 2017-18.

Here are Cutler's remaining contract numbers: 2017: Cap hit of $16 million, if cut $2 million cap hit 2018: Cap hit of $17 million, if cut $1 million cap hit 2019: Cap hit of $20 million, zero dead money 2020: Cap hit of $21.7 million, zero dead money So even if we just had to cut him, the cap hit would be minimal in today's standards. However, if there was a trade, since you are trading the contract, you are not obligated after the trade for anything in the contract unless that is negotiated (as far as I know). To me, it is hard to have him be the highest paid player on the team with no intentions of him being "the guy". Hoyer/Shaw/rookie with FA/draft improvements to the O-Line and Secondary would be better than Cutler alone.

The Jets, Texans, or Cardinals seem like teams that could be looking for a veteran QB now. They all are (or should've been) on the cusp of the playoffs, but have had really bad QB play. All those teams have decent defenses that could mask Cutler's shortcomings more than we can right now.

Sure they have the cap space, but just because you have it, doesn't mean you need to waste it. From the comments in the offseason, this was the last year to evaluate Cutler, and by all accounts (like the rest of team for the most part) has been a failure. Only Fitzpatrick, Keenum and Osweiler have been worse that Cutler (for QBs with at least 5 games and 1000 yards passing). That is saying a lot, especially with him playing worse than almost all CLE QB's and SF QB's. You only pay a guy north of $15 million if you believe you have a shot at the playoffs with him. Cutler had one good game (not even a great game) this year, and 4 mediocre to horrible games. He had INTs in 4 out of 5 games, and turns the ball over once every 20 plays. You can't win with that, you just can't. For all his physical skills, he has never shown that he has it upstairs. Is he tough, sure, strong-armed, yep, but he just doesn't have the processing power to digest defenses and schemes on the fly. At this point, I think bringing him back in any capacity would be a mistake. I think you go with Hoyer and Shaw (who should both improve with some continuity) and draft one in the first or second. Use the available salary cap resources to bring in one or two more guys on each side of the ball.

I can't see any scenario where Cutler is back. There would be no point to pay him that much in another build year.

Wow, these tests are easily circumvented and we get two guys nabbed in a matter of weeks? This is beyond ridiculous now.

Cutler's last pass was an INT in the 4th quarter with a chance to win, sort of ends his career in a ironic fashion. INT+loss+injury

The 6-4 Detroit Lions are in 1st place with a +6 in net points. Minnesota looks a shell of their former self, and GB at 4-6 is laughable. At 2-8, we are obviously out of playoff contention, especially considering we have 13 players on IR, plus Miller from last night. Sitton and Floyd also left with injuries, while Massie, Urein, and Hall were out. That does not include Callahan, Porter, McPhee, Goldman, Young, Wilson, and Royal who are all nursing injuries and may miss time as well. My question to you all is, are we being too hard on the team/coaches/management for this debacle? Did our expectations of improvement mask the fact that we have the most injuries in the league? I believe we now have the most on IR (14) in the NFL. SD has 13 and is 4-6 and is last in their division and will also miss the playoffs. I was thinking the defense was the problem, but we have scored the 2nd lowest amount of points in the league at 157 (only LA has less at 149). So we are 8 pts from being the worst scoring team in the league. Even the Browns have scored more than us. Can you imagine if we were just league average (230 pts)? That would be 73 more pts, or a TD per game, we would be a 5-5 team right now and only one game back of the Division lead.

Yeah, the more I think about it, it really irks me.