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It is still a possibility, but highly unlikely. I would say it was 40/60 that he may come back when the season ended and has slowly shifted towards probably 20/80 or more. What is super wild is, what if the Bears won 2 of the games they blew leads in, say Detroit and Cleveland, finished 9-8, but missed the playoffs. At that point, they would then have a late-teens pick with the #1 pick. Would they keep Justin, even if he had the same exact stats, but the defense held up for one drive in each of those games? The outlook on his performance might be considerably different if they finished with a winning record. The fact that he went 5-8 and Bagent somehow pulled 2-2 out of his butt is pretty hard evidence towards the QB not being a big factor in the outcome of games.

There are only so many outcomes. Free Agency is impacted by Poles' decision. He has to know what route he is going because guys like Christian Wilkins and some others are not expected to be tagged, which is going to make the first few days of free agency pretty wild. Either way, I just want to know so I can update my mock drafts.

Warren Sharp posted this today. That is not the group of QBs you want to be in.

It feels like if Nabers or Odunze are not there at #9, the Bears will look to trade back and could possibly double down on WR in the first 3 rounds. It is a very deep group.

Every QB has things they do good and bad. What I do like about Williams is, he really works on his craft as a QB. He was on PFT PM Podcast talking to Florio and Simms and he was going over his grip position, his base, and that he continually hones his craft as a QB. He said he is continually working at things to improve on which is nice to hear. He might end up a bust, but I have rarely heard that kind of discussion for the big 1st round busts like Manziel and Russell. At this point, the discussion should shift to what the Bears are going to do at #9 and what type of compensation they are going to get for Fields. I honestly think they tried to keep Fields value up as long as they could but once teams got to meet with Williams, the charade was over. I could be totally wrong and they announce that they are trading the pick, but I would be absolutely shocked if they didn't pick Williams at #1.

Oh no, nothing is set in stone. The speculation about Fields' value is interesting. Just a few weeks ago people were talking about a 1st, now magically, with what seems like overnight, his value has dropped to a 3rd? Darnold got a 2nd, 4th, and a 6th. The 2nd and 4th were for the following year, so the draft value was equivalent to the 1st pick in the 3rd round of the current year's draft. I So it would shock me if Fields got less than that. If they only get a 3rd, then it will have to come with a 4th or next year's 3rd as well. Otherwise, the total comp would be less than what NY got for Darnold. I would rather just have a 2nd and be done with it, if that is the route they are going to go. A 2nd rounder is super valuable in this year's draft. The depth at key positions for the Bears is wild. I actually expect Poles to use one of his 2x 2nds from 2025 to do some movement this year. They could pair this year's 3rd and next year's 2nd to move into this year's 2nd round. If they don't trade down, they are going to have to do some wiggling to get back into the 2nd.

and that was from 7 years ago lol.

This is Waldron with Williams from 2017:

Can you imagine the madness if something like that went all the way up until the Bears were on the clock during the draft, everyone is expecting them to announce Williams and then they announce a trade? Total bedlam!

Fields is clearly the more athletic QB, probably top 3 in the NFL. He is basically Daniels with 20 more lbs of muscle.

I forgot what podcast it was on, but they mentioned how Poles has been pretty quick on at least the first one or two signings every year. I would suspect the same thing again this year. JJ makes sense, hopefully that can come before free agency. After him, Samuel, Center, Edge, Safety or Move TE would make a lot of sense. If I had to guess, I would expect it to be on offense.

Fields an inch taller, Williams has a bigger hand 9.75>9.16. I didn't realize Fields hand was that small. Comparing NFL.com Combine and NextGen scores: Fields Total Score: 89, Williams: 96. Williams and Bowers tied for the highest NextGenStats score with a 96. Lawrence had a 91, Burrow had a 90. Mahomes had an 88 and Trubisky had an 84.

6'1 1/8th. Something I always found funny about the height argument is, why don't they measure to the center of their eye level? That is what really matters. Some dudes don't have foreheads, but fiveheads, and even though they are 6'3" they have the sightline of a guy an inch and a half shorter. The other part of this equation when passing is their knee bend and posture. Jalen Hurts makes himself smaller with his little squat thing. I remember Brees always had his head up to squeeze every inch out of his sight picture. I understand for all other positions, but QB seems like sight height is more relevant than actual height.

All the measureables in this thread. Williams over 6'1", hands over 9.6 (median hand size). So he checks all the boxes. McCarthy has Pickett's hands, which is somewhat concerning. Daniels and Nabers both skipped the measurements.

I can see McCarthy as a Matt Ryan/Philip Rivers type QB. This seems like a great draft class overall. If the Bears do go Williams at #1, and if McCarthy slides into the top 8, the Bears are going to get a stud at #9. I would not be opposed to trading Fields AND the #1 pick, moving down a few spots and drafting McCarthy.

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Nope, but he did answer a question on his height, he said between 6'1" and 6'2".

People have to remember Williams, Maye, Daniels, and McCarthy are just kids (Penix is already a grandpa). College kids do stupid shit. They paint F*%K <insert school name here> on their chests in every game. They literally chant "F The Other Team's Name" all the time. I don't recall any alcohol, drug, domestic violence, or leaving the scene of a car accident where there are dead teammates kind of incidents from Williams. He honestly seems like a well-spoken kid and the moment wasn't too big for him, which I found somewhat impressive. My concerns are clearing medical and making sure he can read defenses, can change the play at the LoS, make pre and post snap adjustments AND throw the damn ball over the MoF.

Has anyone seen Carl Williams at the mic? On Podcasts or talk shows? Honestly, I have only read about him. I haven't really been looking but this seems slightly media driven. Williams looked pretty comfortable with all the limelight on him, which is something at that age. There is not much the Williams camp can do as a rookie. In reality, without an agent, the Bears can actually pull some fast ones on him in the contract. All they have to say is, that's the norm. So I don't know how much his dad can really do. The minute he becomes an issue, he starts hurting his son's value. On the other stuff. The Bears need answers. How do his medicals look? Does he have some underlying condition that he does not want to be made public (too much estrogen, one testicle)? My biggest concern is his ability to read defenses, change the play at the LoS, and know his hot reads while having the ability to throw to the MoF. If there are concerns there, then I would be concerned.

I can't really see a universe where Fields plays lame duck QB. Either he is the guy or is not the guy. He is too young to be playing the Alex Smith role. The only scenarios I see is: 1. All in on Justin (trade down, load up on talent and run it back with Justin for 2024 with another get out of jail free card in 2025 draft by gaining an additional 1st rounder for the trade down). 2. All in on Williams (selected #1, Fields traded, load up on offense) 3. All in on other rookie QB (selected #2 or later in the 1st, Fields traded, load up on offense). I don't think they can afford to draft a QB and not use that draft pick (unless it is a 5th rounder or later). Every other pick needs to contribute and improve the roster. A 3rd string QB doesn't do that.

So yes, for that combination, no player has ever had that many rushing yards with 3500 passing yards. However, that is sort of moving the sliders. Cunningham had 3466/942 (in 16 games). Josh Allen had 4,407 passing yards and 763 rushing yards in 2021 (Total: 5,170 yards) and then had 4,283 passing yards and 762 rushing yards (5,045 total) in 2022. For Fields, that would've been 4,400 total in 17 games. Kyler had 3971/819 (4,790) in 16 games in 2020. So if you value the yards evenly, you add them together. At the end of the day, it is 4,400 yards in 17 or 259 total yards a game. Just to put that total into perspective another way, Jordan Love had 4,406 yards this season (4,159 passing, 247 rushing).

Florio thinks that if Fields doesn't get traded soon that the Bears have positioned themselves for Fields to "ask" for a trade. Then if they get less in return, they can point the finger at the lack of leverage. So we will see. I hope it is nothing less than a 2nd rounder in 2024.

I was under the impression that it was the Bears swapping picks and getting a 2nd: Bears get #8, #43 Falcons get #9, Fields So the Bears move up one slot basically assuring they would get one of the top 3 WRs, Bowers, or Alt, assuming 3 QBs go in the top 7. If they were at #9, there is a chance that 3 QBs, top 3 WRs, Bowers and Alt are gone. Then it would more than likely be Edge or DT.

You nailed it, that is the evaluation. I think Fields becomes the fall back plan. They weigh the pros and cons of each scenario, then pick the best one for the org. Also, I don't know if any of you have seen this guy on socials, but he always annouces he is a former NFL scout, blah blah blah. There is a reason he is a FORMER scout. Check out his mock draft from last year, it is ugly: https://firstroundmock.com/2022/04/2022-nfl-draft-ex-jets-scout-releases-new-shocking-first-round-mock-draft/

The Bears need to get a 2nd round pick. If JPJ does go in the first, it feels like the other 2 would be gone before the Bears pick in the 3rd.