adam

I don't think there is an easy solution to the QB situation. The only way I would draft a QB at #14 in the Bears current state is if someone fell into our laps. Otherwise, there is no QB worth the 14th pick. I am not trying to say that it is always bad to draft a QB in the first round. There are too many factors to determine that. However, in the Bears current state, and with the current available QB's in the draft, there doesn't seem to be a good fit. My point was more in respect to recent years. For some reason most of the new QBs are not producing as expected. Rivers seems like the only above average QB to be drafted in the first round over the last few years. Now if the draft is your route, who do you pick at #14, Woodson? Ryan and Brohm seem to be slotted to go in the Top 10.

I think your right. It is not so black and white. You can probably make your case either way about every position and have information to back it up.

Can they extend Anderson to a cap friendly deal with a big signing bonus, then trade him before the cap hit gets too big? I just think they need one year with Quinn at the helm before letting their security blanket go. Rivers had two years before taking over in SD. I think Quinn will get it as well.

I didn't hand pick them. I actually was comparing Manning and Grossman, then threw in Young and Leinhart because they were the first two drafted in 2006. Russell and Quinn did not play enough to compare. If I went another year back, it would've been Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers. Check their stats. They suck too. Actually your point is taken, but it is sort of hollow. Breaking down only the first 20 QB's is also a way to influence your point. You can stop the number wherever it proves your point. Here is the Top 10 rated passers: First round: 3 2nd round: 1 3rd round: 0 4th round: 1 5th round: 0 6th round: 2 Undrafted: 3 These are more of the elite QBs. When you say Top 20, you start getting into the average category. Looking at these numbers, you have just as much of a chance at getting an elite QB undrafted than you do in the 1st round. That is my point. I don't care about drafting the 20th best QB in the league, and I damn sure don't want to do that with the 14th pick.

I wouldn't be surprised if CLE held onto Anderson for one more year. Just think if they let him go and Quinn turns into Ryan Leaf.

Yeah, how bout it.

Ricky Williams? The Draft Value charts are just guides, not the gospel. The actual player being drafted would determine the actual value. The team might have him rated as the #3 pick, yet he is still there at #6. They might overpay, in terms of draft value to get him. It works the other way as well. If there is no one there worth the current pick, the value of the pick could be worth less.

This makes things very interesting.

I just wanted to get everyone's opinion on this. Here are the career stats for Manning and Grossman: > G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int Sack Fum FumL Grossman 32 70.9 489 900 54.3 5907 184.6 6.6 31 33 56 18 10 Manning 57 73.4 987 1805 54.7 11385 199.7 6.3 77 64 93 34 12 On just a production standpoint, these two QBs are almost identical, however, Grossman has played a full season once, while Manning has 3 straight. Now even with all those games under his belt, it seems like Manning is where he will always be, an average QB with about a 75 QB Rating. Grossman seems to have more upside, but also has some complete meltdowns. One thing I never even noticed was that Grossman has only 1 career 300 yard game, but 6 career games with 3 or more INTs. How do you guys rate each of these QBs? Would you rather have Manning or Grossman? Another interesting note is looking at the QBs taken two years ago: > G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int Sack Fum FumL Young 30 69.0 422 739 57.1 4745 158.2 6.4 21 30 50 20 6 Leinhart 17 71.2 274 489 56.0 3194 187.9 6.5 13 16 33 8 2 Young has played more, but without his running ability, he is an average to below average QB. Leinhart has been injured, and even when he plays, he has not been that good. So out of all these highly drafted QBs, none are really that good. You can make a case for Young since he brings something else to the game. Leinhart on the other hand has no excuse. He had two top flight receivers (Fitzgerald and Boldin) and a solid RB (James), yet he could not do anything. This reinforces the idea of not drafting a QB in the first round.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...8010602212.html Redskins are $20 million over the cap, and even after restructuring contracts, how much money could they possibly free up? Also, I love how they mention stable 3rd wide receiver, then mention Berrian. So is he only viewed as a 2nd or 3rd Wideout level talent?

Wow, when did the 14th and 44th pick equal the 1st pick? You must have the CFL draft value chart. 1st - 3,000 14th - 1,100 44th - 460 Our 14th and 44th would get us as high as pick 6 or 7, not 1. We don't have enough picks unless we give up a 1st Rounder in 2009 as well. That is too much to give up with all the holes on this team. I would rather trade down into the 20's and pick up a late 2nd rounder, which would give us 5 picks in the first 3 rounds.

It just says the Bears have not offered him a contract. That does not necessarily mean we are not in the mix.

With the loss of draft picks, I don't think the Bears are in position to get Anderson. They have too many holes to fill in the draft.

Hopefully other underclassmen declare (like Rice), which will make it a very solid RB class.

I doubt it with his salary, but I guess you never know.

I agree. It was a long shot, and it did not work. I think he still could be a decent 3rd down back/Special Teamer, but thats probably his ceiling in the NFL.

Absolutely. I am not saying they don't have a hand in the success or failure of the performance of the team, but they seem to get too much of the credit and blame.

Currently in the NFL?

I don't care what you say about coaching, they are not the 11 players between the lines missing tackles and dropping balls. Could they have been better, absolutely, but I would not put the majority of the blame on the coaches. All those positions are over-rated IMO.

Also, I wouldn't evaluate him on just one game.

Benson is a bust? Come on now. This is the NFL. It is a team game. If you don't have 11 guys doing their job on either side of the ball, you will not be as good individually. Look at Randy Moss, he was horrible in Oakland. Once he went to NE, he became the top WR again. Same goes for Welker. He was used sparingly in Miami as a WR, and lead the league in receptions in NE.

If you think about it. If we take the same team, fix the OLine, and bring back all the injured players, we should be a 9-10 win ballclub. That doesn't include adding some quality players in the draft or thru FA. We were 0-4 vs Minnesota and Detroit. If we split with them, we would've been 9-7.

I agree. Benson was just as dominant in college as Mendenhall. If the OL is fixed, Benson would look much better. Also, the Passing game was so bad that they had 8-9 in the box all season. Very few running backs would do anything against those factors.

Futures Game?

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