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He is literally the worst modern day coach in NFL history.

Also, that phantom horse collar call on Gordon led to a DET TD. The difference in the game too. Never should've came down to the last sequence anyway. Caleb threw for more TDs in the 2nd half against DET than any QB has all year in a full game.

He is the worst coach in NFL history, bar none. No HC has ever lost this many games due to his own game mismanagement. This is now game 10 that the Bears shouldve won but lost in the last 3 years. Unbelievable.

Detroit had been shredding everyone and the Bears came back after halftime and outscored Detroit 20-7 with a chance to win, and they literally lose because of coaching. Flus has to go.

Way too much pressure for a backup D-Line, that was not a good game for the O-Line. They got pushed back on every play while our DLine was getting pushed back. Lost in the trenches again. Caleb thru for 256 yards and 3 TDs, 0 INT, now at 2612 Passing yards with 14 TD and 5 INT thru 12 games. Daniels has 2,613 thru 12 games with 12 TD and 5 INT. Nix has 2548 yds, 16 TD, and 6 INT thru 12 games.

Short week vs arguably the best team in the league and you drive your team down within FG range and the HC shits the bed again.

Welp, I will close this thread.

Unbelievable, no words. Eberflus has to call a timeout there. Seriously, this guy is so far over his head. How many more losses do we need to experience before the organization does something?

Yeah, I think they are less likely to fire Poles after 3 years because just like with Pace, he got a 2nd HC hire after Fox. So Poles will get one more shot at a HC, but then just like Pace/Nagy, they have 3 years to get this right because Williams rookie deal will be coming to an end and this team will look vastly different. However, it just seems like the same trend. Guess how many years Fox got before they fired him? 3 years. Flus is in his 3rd year. The same things were being said about Fox early on, setting the culture, blah blah blah. There were also questions about his Coordinators and coaches too. Then Pace brings in Nagy, but by then Pace was in his 4th year of the rebuild, so rightfully so go 12-4. The rebuild should've been over. Then they follow that up with back to back 8-8s and a 6-11 and both Pace and Nagy are gone. I still can't believe they fired Lovie after going 10-6. Outside of his first season as HC, Lovie's worst season was 7-9. It was never the defense, it was always the offense, they couldn't get the OC right. I miss those years.

I would say we are already at 3 this year, that is why it feels so bad already. Hail Mary in WAS, GB blocked FG two weeks ago, then MIN OT game last week.

Having a year of tape really makes a difference. Love already has 11 INTs in 9 games. He had 11 all last season.

@CALEBcsw is one of 3 QBs in @NFL history to have 2,200 Passing Yards, 300 Rushing Yards, 11 Passing TDs, with fewer than 10 INTs in their first 11 games. @RGIII was the first QB to ever do it (2012), and Kyler Murray in 2019. Williams has 2,356 Passing Yards, 339 Rushing Yards, 11 TD, and 5 INT. Daniels only had 10 Passing TDs in his first 11 games. Nix only had 295 Rushing Yards in his first 11 games.

Hmmm, ok. Decker out, huge. Monty and St. Brown questionable on a short week. Why would they chance further injury? If they don't play, the Bears should be favored. No Hutchison, Decker, Monty, and St. Brown? Those are 4 of their top 10 players.

I am an eternal optimist actually. I want and hope everything turns out positive. It just feels like we have seen this movie before. You have about 10 years on me as a fan, the earliest I can remember were late 70's Payton games. This will be the 12th season since Lovie left and the Bears have 1 season with a winning record since that point. Then between Ditka and Lovie there were 11 seasons and the Bears had 3 winning seasons. So 4 winning seasons out of 23 without Lovie or Ditka in the last 40+ years. The Bears are one of the bottom teams since 2013. Only JAX, NYJ, CLE, NYG, and WAS have a worse Win% over that period. If you shrink it to just the Poles/Flus era, the Bears are 31st in Win% at .311. Only CAR is worse at .267.

This game also comes down to roster building. DET is without their best defensive player, Hutchinson, who impacted basically every play. They also lost Barnes and Anzalone, two of their top LBs. The Bears are down Billings and Brisker. If the 2023 Bears team competed against DET and should've been 2-0, there is no reason why this 2024 team shouldn't be able to go toe to toe with this roster.

I thought we had a chance, I really thought 9-11 wins was possible based on the schedule.

The Bears currently have a <1% chance to make the playoffs, but there is a chance. First, they would have to take care of business, winning no less than 5 of their last 6, preferably all 6, which would be more than they have won in their first 11 games. Scenario 1 - Win the last 6 games and 1. have WAS (7-5, 5-3 Conf) lose to at least 3 of PHI, ATL, NO, DAL or TEN, and finish no better than 9-8, and 2. have ARZ (6-5, 3-4 Conf) lose to at least 3 of MIN, SEA, LAR, and SF, and finish no better than 9-8. 3. by winning all 6, CHI would have the H2H tiebreaker against SEA, SF, and LAR. * - Both the WAS and ARZ steps are very possible, winning 6 straight after losing 5 straight is not. Scenario 2 - Win 5 out of 6 (w/ wins against SF and SEA) and 1. have WAS (7-5, 5-3 Conf) lose to at least 4 of PHI, ATL, NO, DAL or TEN, and finish no better than 8-9. 1-4 in last 5. 2. have ARZ (6-5, 3-4 Conf) lose to at least 4 of MIN, SEA, LAR, SF, CAR, or NE, and finish no better than 8-9. 2-4 in last 6. 3. have TB (5-6, 5-3 Conf) lose to at least 3 of LAC, DAL, NO, CARx2, or LVR, and finish no better than 8-9. 3-3 in last 6. 4. by winning 5 out of the last 6 and beating SEA and SF, CHI would have the H2H tiebreaker against SEA, SF, and LAR. This week, we need TEN to beat WAS, MIN to beat ARZ, and CAR to beat TB (which would hurt Bears 2nd round pick slot). We could be on to Scenario 2 by Thursday night.

About half of the current playoff teams are teams that just came out of a rebuild. The other half are perennial playoff teams with long standing coaches and QBs. DET - Year 4, MIN - Year 3, HOU - Year 2, WAS - Year 1, ATL - Year 1, LAC - Year 1, DEN - Year 1. 4 of those teams have new QBs this year. DET had a winning record Year 2, was in the Conf Championship Year 3, and is a SB contender Year 4. KC, BUF, BAL, PIT, GB, PHI, and SEA have not been in a rebuild for 5+ years. We want to get into this group, but we have to get into the above group first. Unless the Bears go on an unprecedented heater and win out, then it will be another year below .500 pointing figures at the previous regime. At some point this is on Poles. At what point do we stop accepting losing seasons?

It is a challenge, do you try to keep continuity in hopes of improvement, or do you start all over hoping for greener pastures? I think in football, the standard has been set. 3 years for a rebuild should equate to the playoffs. Right now we are in Year 3 of the rebuild and the team is 4-7 with one of the easiest schedules in football. We are now 45 games into the rebuild and are closer to the worst team (2 games) in the NFL than we are to a playoff spot (3 games). Right now the Bears have better odds at a top 10 pick than they do to finish with a winning record. Last year they were a 10 win team that won 7 games. This year, they are a 7 win team that has won 4 games.

Me either, but is there a better audition than the live thing? I mean if the Bears had any interest in promoting Brown or any other coach or coordinator to HC, why not see how they actually perform on the job before hiring them to do it without the interim tag? I agree that Brown should stay in the booth as the OC calling plays, and let someone else make the 3 decisions per game on the sideline that Flus the Muppet is incapable of doing. Flus in action:

I agree with everything except for the Poles comment. He didn't even talk to Daniels, and Williams was pretty much a no-brainer pick. The trade that got them the pick was also an easy button. Credit for just doing your job is like a participation trophy. To be a truly successful franchise, you have to be better than the norm. I don't know where Poles has done that yet holistically. Coaching hires have been subpar, free agents have been mixed, and draft picks for the most part have played only to their draft status and not beyond. For every Dexter there is a Stevenson or Pickens. For Caleb, there is Velus. In the big picture, Poles has done nothing spectacular that makes you think he can build a long term winner. I am assuming that he doesn't get fired (unless they lose out), so if he addresses the trenches and doesn't draft a ILB and a TE in the first 3 rounds, then I will be ok with keeping him. The fear is we lose Cunningham this offseason and he was the one keeping Poles in check.

Stroud's record is for the beginning of his career. He threw 192 passed before his first INT. Which also means he has thrown all 14 of his INTs in the last 703 passing attempts. It is wild how pedestrian Stroud looks this year after adding Diggs and getting Dell back plus adding Mixon in the backfield. He is down in basically every category and up in INTs.

Yeah, they were top 5 early on but I think that was also due to the level of competition. So there was some fool's gold in the 4-2 record. The last 5 games have solidified that even with the loss of Billings and Brisker.

Geno Smith passed for 395 yards against DET in Week 4, Stafford passed for 317 yards in Week 1. Those are the only two 300-yd games against DET this season. However, since their Week 5 bye, the highest passing yardage was Love in Week 9 with 273. No QB has thrown for more than 1 TD against DET this season. They have had an INT in every game this season except for Week 12 (last week), so 10 straight weeks before last week.

For overall OFF grade for OTs, Jones is 18th, Wright is 21st. They are not the only pair in the top 30, PHI has #1 Mailata and #8 Johnson, LAC has Slater #3 and Alt #15, DET has #4 Sewell and #22 Decker, MIN has #7 O'Neill and #12 Darrisaw, CAR has #26 and #27, and HOU has #20 and #30. So 7 teams with 2x OTs in the top 30. DEN has #13 and #31. For Shelton, he is 16th OVR, 9th Pass Block Grade, 22nd Run Block Grade. He has had 6x elite level pass blocking games and 2 bottom of the barrel games. Kind of funny, but he has played a Pro Bowl level since Week 5. For Guards, Pryor has the 5th best Pass Block Grade for Guards and Jenkins is 8th. Jenkins is 15th Overall and Pryor is 34th. Funny note, the #1 rated Guard is James Daniels and Lucas Patrick is 21st. As a team, the Bears are 8th best pass blocking team now and 12th best run blocking team, according to PFF grades. The Bears have the 17th best team OVR PFF Grade, Defense is 5th, Offense is 26th.