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He could succeed in both, but I think he would be better off in a 3-4 given his physical limitations. I think the Bears need someone with elite level athleticism at the position who can move sideline to sideline, and protect the deep middle if he has to. Teo' isn't that guy. He looked like a boy amongst men in the National Championship game. Understandably, one game doesn't make a career, but that's about as close as you can get to a real NFL offensive line, and they just made him look awful.

I don't really think he's that good, in all honesty. I think he's too slow, can't move his hips well enough to play in this defense, and not great in coverage or in tight spaces. He's a guy that can come in and finish off a tackle, or fill up a gap in the run game. I'm not saying he's horrible. I don't believe he's a 1st round pick, and I'm not sure he'd be the right person for this cover 2 defense that we are seemingly going to continue to run.. I actually think he belongs as an ILB in a 3-4. There is also the fake girlfriend stuff that HAS to be brought up. MLB is a position that is often looked upon as a position of leadership. Do you really want that guy leading your defense for the next 5-7 years? That's a question all GM's are asking themselves as they put their boards together.

His stock won't fall very much. You know the Bengals would take a chance on him. They don't care about anything.

Crap.. That's the guy I wanted as our new TE.

30 doesn't change the number much. I used 20 because I was looking at one of Henderson's seasons. It's not really that unfathomable to believe we could find a receiver who could be a more reliable deep threat than Devin Hester. Like I said, we just had one in Knox before he went down with a career ending injury. If they decide to keep Hester, I would hope he is only used on kickoffs and punts. As for the Tavon Austin question. I don't consider him a one trick pony. He's not someone who will be running down field all the time. He's going to be used in a lot of different ways rather than just one. Sort of like a Randall Cobb.

Nice try. Actually, there were 5 players that have caught at least 20 or more passes last year who were over the 17 YPC mark, and several more who were within .5 or less. Nevermind the fact that we had one of those guys who's did it twice in 3 years as a 5th round draft pick. 14 players in 2011 had averages at or over 17 ypc, and 8 more were within .5 of that number. Please continue to try and find more ways to make Hester look like a better receiver than he really is. And no, I don't think Tavon Austin would be one of those guys because he would be a slot receiver that caught a lot of passes inside the numbers, which he would then turn into yards after the catch. He's not a one trick pony.

If the Saints replaced Henderson with Hester and put him in Devery's role, I could almost guarantee you he would come no where close to averaging 20 YPC. I would be satisfied with a guy that could get you 17. Knox was a little better than that, which is why I've said in the other thread that him being gone was a big loss.

OT, OG, TE, LB, and WR in no particular order.

Rofl. Yes I see his stats. I don't know how this helps your argument, but I see them nevertheless. What I see isn't particularly good either. I see a guy who has had very little impact as a receiver, whether that is as a #1, #2, or #4. The arrow on his career is most certainly trending downward as he eclipses 30 years of age. The last two seasons especially have been completely forgettable. The Wallace comparison was more of an example of your shoddy attempt to try to heighten Hester's value in what you consider a threat. If I'm scraping towards the bottom of the barell for my stretch receiver, then I'd absolutely want Devin Hester as my guy. He's been as much of a factor in our passing game as Kellen Davis has been the past few seasons. Davis- 37 receptions, 435 yards, 7 touchdowns last two seasons Hester- 49 receptions, 611 yards, 2 touchdowns last two seasons Just to give you a little perspective on what I consider to be a REAL threat-- Devery Henderson in his prime was putting up seasons where his catch averages were 23.3, 20.5, and 24.8 yards per catch. THAT is production from a guy who has never been anything more than a specialty player. To put it in comparison with Devin Hester, he has put up averages of 14.2, 13.3, and 15.0 (second season) in his best years. Johnny Knox was at 19.6 and 18.8 his last two years.. So yeah, there's being a threat, and then there's being a better threat, and producing at a much more efficient clip.

There goes Cutler's leading receiver!

It doesn't me either. Which is why I don't have #9 need as being an option to draft.

Was he not a deep threat the last 6 seasons when he tried to impersonate himself as being a WR? Ideally, the receiver we're looking to add should matter more, and be more impactful than just someone who runs down the field and drops passes or causes interceptions because he doesn't know what he's suppose to be doing. If they choose to go the route of a 4-5-6th round pick, if the player turns out to be the next Johnny Knox, that would be best case scenario. If we spend an earlier pick, or take somebody with a high price tag in free agency, that guy is going to be doing a lot more on the field. I go back to the kid out of West Virginia. If the Bears took him, he'd not only be your slot receiver, but he does everything else. You can line him up in the backfield, you can have him return kicks, throw deep balls etc.. He'd be much more of a dangerous threat than someone like Devin Hester, thus making the offense more dynamic.

Looks like we have another guy who doesn't own a television or understands the difference between a threat and productivity. Devin Hester can run, but those of us who have seen him try to play receiver over the past 6 years know he's not likely to be much of a factor, despite his speed. There's a reason why he didn't have a position coming out of college. I mean my god, we're acting like no coordinator he's ever worked with has tried to get some kind of production out of him. He'll make flash plays a couple times a season, but they are few and far between, because for every play he does make, there is a larger handful of plays he screws up. You can probably count on one hand the number of times Devin has been able to adjust to a pass downfield that isn't thrown perfectly to him. He doesn't even jump like a normal receiver, and his IQ is deplorable. Cutler clearly does not trust him, and frankly I don't blame him. Essentially what you're saying is there is no difference between Mike Wallace as a threat and Devin Hester. All they do is run fast, neither can run a route, so it must be the same, right? Get out of here with that garbage. At least act like you've seen him play before. This guy is no better than Kellen Davis is as a TE.

No West Coast offense is the same for everyone. Every team that uses those principles have their own version of how they run it. Greenbay, the Saints, the Patriots, and others run some semblance of a West coast scheme. Those teams like to spread you out and make other team's linebackers cover the slot receivers. Some teams like the Seahawks go with more of a power attack, and open things up with play action. It remains to be seen what Trestman will bring to this team. One thing I know is that Trestman likes to play the matchup game. So there is going to be many of times where you could see players playing in different spots depending on what the gameplan is. Just because some guy is labeled as a #4 doesn't mean he can't get on the field when we're in a 2-3 WR formation.

Actually, no he doesn't. He is a bad WR. In an offense that will pass a lot, you will need more WR's who can catch the football, and be at the right place at the right time, who also have a better IQ of understanding how to separate from coverage consistently. If Tavon Austin or somebody we take (if we take) early on in the draft, he's likely going to be taking Earl Bennett's place and will see the field more often.

I can run north and south, and pretty fast. Maybe I could play receiver? It takes a lot more than being able to run in a straight line. Hester can't play because he does not possess the skills of an NFL caliber receiver. Certainly not a player you can trust. This has been proven over the past 6 years.

Have you ever seen Devin Hester play WR? I'm having a hard time taking you seriously right now.

I think you just answered your own question. There is no way to utilize Devin Hester in an offense because he can't play. If the Bears draft a receiver early this year, I don't think he's not going to be a #4 receiver, at least in the long term. Think GB and Randall Cobb and all he's able to do on the field after the Packers took him with a 2nd round pick when they didn't necessarily need a receiver. Keep in mind Trestman's offense might utilize more 4-5 WR sets which increases the value of needing more quality receivers, and the more use you get out of the pick.

Not sure if serious?

In regards to the draft, they should address whatever position gives them the best player. If there is a better WR available to them than at any other position when they are picking in rounds 1-2, they should take the WR. I despise the notion that we must address a specific position in each round because it eliminates any other possibilities of taking a better player from another position of need. It's an ignorant way of drafting. Where we seem to differ is in my approach to taking the best player that is available from a positional need rather than drafting for specific positions in each round. I think that is the most sensible way to draft. If you want a LT but Lane Johnson isn't there, do you really want to reach for another LT who doesn't belong at pick 20? I would hope not. That is why I'm not ruling out the possibility of taking another player from another position that isn't OL in the early rounds of the draft. If there's a better player at LB or WR or TE, I'm taking that guy.

Yeah they need all of those things, including more WR depth. I'm not really arguing which is more important. You need more than 3 true receivers on your roster. Weems is more or less a wasted roster spot because he's not going to give you anything at WR despite being listed as one even though he plays special teams. You also have to factor in Bennet's health issues he's had in the last couple years. The guy can't stay on the field. Phil Emery agrees with me. He spoke about needing more play makers on offense and talked about some of the same things that I'm talking about now, in regards to speed. You need a vertical threat on the field that compliments Marshall and Jeffery. Do they need to spend big money on a FA WR? No. Do they need to spend a 1st round pick on a WR? No. But there really is no valid argument out there to make saying the Bears don't need to add to that position. We just came off a season where Brandon Marshall caught 89 more passes than our next leading receiver! Not even combining all of them together, including the TE, equaled the total number of balls Marshall caught this season. That is god awful.

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Last comment on this subject. The larger point of all of this revolves around the Bears needing to become a more dynamic offense with players who have complimentary skill sets. The Saints are the standard for offensive efficiency and excellence. They are good because they have a Hall of Fame quarterback in combination with the vast array of varying skill sets between their receivers, TE's, and Rb's. Marcus Colston is different from Lance Moore, who's different from Devery Henderson. Pierre Thomas is different from Darren Sproles. Jimmy Graham is one of the fastest TE's in football. Everyone brings something different to the table. Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffery do not compliment each other. They both have very similar skill sets. Earl Bennett doesn't provide you with any complimentary skill either because like the other two, he is also more of a posession receiver. If the Bears want to become a dangerous offensive force, they need to add more players who aren't the same. It's just common sense. Too many of the same guys makes the offense more predictable and easier to defend.

Way to ignore most of the post. Devery Henderson is much more of a down field threat than Alshon. They are two drastically different players. Jeffery is the possession type, whereas Henderson, and Meachum (whom I see you did not mention) are threats to go deep. The Saints have, and even more so in the past with Meachum, a very nice mix of different skill sets between their skill players, which is why they are so dynamic on offense. The Bears don't have any guys that compliment each other. Everything is the same. Marshall and Jeffery are the same type of receiver, Forte isn't a home run threat the way Darren Sproles is, Bennett is a 3rd down chain mover.. There needs to be more guys that bring different things to the table in this offense. Knox would have helped a ton, had he been healthy. But I guess you're trying to make the case that we didn't need him, or another receiver very similar, because everything is fine. I thought this was a given to people who watch these games, but apparently I was wrong.

I think the Bears are going to get their TE and OG in free agency. Jared Cook or Martellus Bennett, and then Andy Levitre would be tremendous signings. Then the Bears could take a Lane Johnson if he's there and suddenly your line is looking a lot more promising. I think it's unrealistic to expect a massive overhaul in just one year's time. 1 or two new faces would be reasonable.