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TPG really have nothing to do with what you are trying to make out. They really don't. You can say all you want about what you think you know, but you really have no clue. Sorry. Johnny Knox had his starting job taken over by Roy Williams at the beginning of the season and saw less time on the field, which would factor in to the number of targets he gets throughout the course of a game. Another would be, he simply is not that great of a receiver and has trouble getting open. It has nothing to do with the amount of time a qb has in the pocket. none whatsoever. I'm frankly amused that it would even be possible for someone to think that. And, is it not obvious that those quarterbacks you threw out there have significantly more talented players on the offensive side of the ball? Not to mention way more efficient. Most of those teams have a more balanced offense than we do in terms of mixing their passes up (Not the actual run/pass ratio), and whenever they do decide to go down field, it's going to work more effectively with the talent they have on the field as opposed to the Bears. You clearly don't watch much of these offenses or have an understanding of their schemes to say they don't get their fair share of mix between quick/long passes. GB will dink and dunk you for a few plays here and there and then all of a sudden Rodgers rolls out and finds Jordy Nelson wide open for a 45 yard touchdown. And both he and Greg Jennings, I would suspect are probably among the tops in the league in YAC. You won't find a single Chicago Bear outside of Forte, who's not a receiver, in that category. I wish I did have the numbers for Yards per attempt from Cutler because that would put an end to this discussion. The fact that Forte has so many yards from scrimmage when he's catching the ball would bring down those numbers a bit, but if you were to take those out, I bet you the number would be high. For freak sake, you have to be one of the dumbest individuals I have ever come across when talking about football, I swear to God. Maybe I have to spell everything out for you since you are not capable of understanding anything outside of your own narrow minded skull. Martz's system is ineffective at protecting the QB. You're going to give up sacks, you're going to face a ton of pressure. There is no way around it. That's the affect a 7 step drop has on ANY offensive line and that's the way it has always been. You are not going to ever find an offensive line that runs Martz's system be in the top 5 in avoiding pressure i.e sacks. BUT you can still be an effective offense despite that, which is exactly what I have been saying this entire time and is why I threw out our scoring as an example of that. You act like we can never run routes longer than 5 yards, but we did anyways and it helped us win football games. Now If we were to decrease the amount of those a bit and mixed in a few more rhythm passes to along with some rollouts/misdirection plays, I think we would be an even better offense. The difference I have with you is the level of severity you go to when you mention just how much we have to restrict that part of the game. I actually don't believe you even know what you're talking about half the time with all the reaching you do in regards to our debates. It's like you don't really have anything to say so you just kind of throw 'whatever' out there and hope it sticks. Well, it doesn't.

I saw John Clayton on NFL live yesterday talking about how he thinks the Saints are going to let Carl Nicks walk and go ahead and franchise Marcus Colston. I'd jump all over him if he ever made it to the open market.

I have a feeling the Bears are going to try to weaken their arch rivals by taking Jermichael Finley away from them. You add a guy like him and then possibly another receiver or two through draft or Free agency and suddenly, you've got a pretty potent offense. Fred Davis wouldn't be bad either. Just depends on how aggressive we want to be.

30 catches is kind of bad if you want him to be more of a point of emphasis on offense.. 50 is probably average, 60-70 is slightly above and 90+ is reaching Graham, Gronkowski, and Jason Witten territory. I don't forsee him ever being a guy that's going to catch more than 50-60 passes at best but who knows.

There is nothing truthful about what you have said. ROFL, are you referring to yourself?! I've said this before and I'll say it again, when the 7 step drop is the feature of your offense, like it is with Mike Martz, you are always going to face more pressure from opposing defenses than an offense that's more well rounded. History proves this point if you go look at the numbers from previous Mike Martz lead offenses. Offensive lines aren't built to routinely protect the quarterback when the majority of your play calls are built around 5-7 step drops. You look at teams like New Orleans or GB and watch at how quickly their quarterback gets the ball out of his hand. They do an excellent job of mixing the 3 step drop with longer ones and it keeps the defenses guessing. There sure weren't too many times I saw during the year where Cutler was making quick decisions with the ball. And when he was, it wasn't happening enough. Most of his passes were down the field because, as I've been saying, that's how Martz's offense works. Despite all of that, the Bears were still 6th in the league in ppg at the time of Cutler's injury, which is pretty good I would say. When I saw the Mike Tice interview last week, it's funny how many Bears fans I saw that were clamoring over the fact that he's going to get Cutler to throw from different launching points, where you roll him out, give him looks that he had in Denver etc.. Even AUDIBLE! So in other words, he's running a 'normal' offense. I don't think it's far fetched to say you'll see improvement from the line as a whole when they no longer have to run an outdated scheme, but one that plays to the strengths of their quarterback. You said this offense wasn't successful when they run routes that aren't short. The catches shows that the Bears were consistently getting the ball down field and they were winning those games! You mean like what you have done? Lol, revise history? If by revising history you mean going back to look at the boxscores of the games that are there for everyone to see, and using them to point out the fact that the Bears were throwing downfield consistently throughout their 5 game win streak, then I am guilty. No. What YOU said was "They were getting into a groove despite the fact that they were severely limited on the number of effective pass routes available." Which if that were true, then it couldn't possibly explain why Jay Cutler and his receivers were suddenly catching more balls deeper down the field than at any other point during the season. Now you are really reaching. Targets per game? What the hell? How does this have anything to do with anything? Yes, Earl Bennett is Cutler's favorite target and Johnny Knox and Roy Williams weren't. Okay. So what? TPG doesn't, in any way, shape or form, signify the type of routes guys were running at a given time or how much time Cutler had to throw to these guys. I really don't know where you're getting at with this.

Not sure what to make of him. He's not the fastest guy out there at 267 lbs, so I don't know how consistent he would be, stretching the field but he's got the size and athleticism to be a primary redzone target but I don't know if it goes beyond that. He shows signs in spurts. I don't think we have enough evidence either way to define him just yet. Martz notoriously ignores all TE's so he was being wasted as a blocker for the last two seasons and before that was behind Greg Olsen and Dez Clark in the depth chart. I'm interested in seeing what he can do in a new offense. His measurements and 40 time are very similar to one, Rob Gronkowski. Who knows?

For the love of God.. This line is getting irritating. What routes aren't available? Please tell me because I remember seeing several times Cutler finding Earl Bennett down the field for big plays, and Johnny Knox had a few huge plays against San Diego the week he went down where he averaged 32.3 yards per catch including a 42 yarder. Bennett averaged 25 per catch in that game. Even in the game against Detroit where the offense didn't have to do much, Cutler still found Bennett for a 30 yarder, Sam Hurd for 21 yards, and Knox for an 18 yard pass completion. You're telling me those were all short bubble routes that lead to these scores? Give me a freakin break. Frankly, I'm sick and tired of this same garbage you keep repeating when you know it's not even remotely true. The Bears probably ran as many, if not more deep patterns during the season with Cutler than just about any team in the NFL. That's the Mike Martz offense. And guess what? We were pretty darn successful with it during that 5 game winning streak. So don't give me that B.S about "Pass routes available" because I don't want to hear it anymore. Out of all those receivers I mentioned the thing they all share in common is that they are all 1st round picks with the exception of Cruz and Manningham but as far as #1's go, they were all taken in the 1st round. I'm not going to argue that great offensive line play aids the ability for a quarterback to find his receivers but it doesn't have any impact on the individual play of the receiver themselves. It doesn't make them run any faster, leap any higher, or catch any better. We don't have anybody on this team that could do what Vernon Davis did to New Orleans in the playoffs (Does Kellen Davis make those plays?), we don't have anybody on this team that has all the physical tools that a guy like Hakeem Nicks has, we don't have anybody on this team that could make the play that Demaryius Thomas made during OT with that incredible run after the catch. Does Earl Bennett or Roy Williams beat any of those DB's around the edge to score an 80 yarder? Could Knox fight off the defender after the initial catch to get to the endzone? I doubt it. It's just not there. The Moose comment was directed towards the lack of talent at the quarterback position the Bears have ran out there for basically the entire existence of the franchise before Cutler. It had nothing to do with offensive line play. When you have to go back to Sid Luckman pre-Cutler to talk about great quarterback play, it's not good. Moose was actually on 670 the score a few weeks ago to give insight on the Jerry Angelo firing and he went out of his way to bash Rex Grossman when the guys asked him about that very comment.

Who are you referring to? Sam Hurd is spending the rest of his career in prison. Dane Sanzenbacher is hot garbage and most likely will not be back (Wouldn't matter if he was anyways since he's no good). Devin Hester is not a receiver even if you want to consider him one. Roy Williams will not be re-signed, and Johnny Knox may never play again and is a free agent. His injury is going to have a lot to do with whether we re-sign him or not. I have to imagine, he's going to have to go through a mental struggle the rest of his career if he ends up playing again. You can't have an injury like that and not damage some part of you psychologically.

WR has to be more important because the only one that'll be on our roster next year is Earl Bennet. You can't go into a season with only one receiver.. But even so, WR is more crucial to this team than adding another offensive lineman is. We have to become more explosive. With Cutler under center, the line worked much better than it ever did at any point last season and was just finding their groove right before he went down. Injuries didn't help the cause. If we were to add a better LT but no WR, our offense would be virtually the same and would still lack a pass catcher that can take over games. However, adding a Dwayne Bowe or whomever at WR gives us that play maker that you need to be explosive and dangerous throughout a season and our line still gets better by the subtraction of Martz. I hate having to watch the playoffs this year and see all of the great talented WR's making big plays for their teams at big moments during a game. My god, look at all the weapons New York has with Nicks, Cruz, Manningham, and then Calvin Johnson, Marcus Colston, Demarius Thomas etc.. all putting up huge numbers. Vernon Davis, Hell even Michael Crabtree had some big plays.. I want that. This league is evolving into what is now a passing dominated game.

Raye is suppose to interview on Tuesday. Haven't heard anything on Ross or the other guy yet. I'd imagine they'll come to a decision sometime next week.

They could have made him a RB long ago when he had no position to play but that would have likely killed his ability to return kickoffs and punts as good as he has over the course of the last 5 seasons.

So you would be saying the same thing if the deal were for someone like Khalil instead of Blackmon, right?

It's actually around 50 million from what I've read on Bears.com. Check out this from over there http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/thread/2984048.aspx

I would throw a parade if the Bears made that bold of a move to grab Justin Blackmon. I'd have to see what the trade is before I go all in on it though. If it's 2 firsts, I'd really think hard about it. Blackmon is clearly the best receiver in this draft and has the potential to have an AJ Green like impact on a team that drafts him right away in year 1. Finley has a bad case of the drops. He'd obviously be an upgrade and I'd endorse such a much providing we still sign and or draft a receiver to go along with him. I don't want him being the only move we make to upgrade offensively from the skill positions.

I don't like the fact that we have to jump out of our seats to root for a Packers loss because we couldn't do it ourselves. That doesn't feel right. I respect the Packers organization and their team but It was nice to see them be a one and done team. In fact, the only team to never make the conference championship game after going 15-1. With that said, the Bears have A LOT of work to do just to get near the level of GB and it starts with this years draft and free agency.

I wouldn't mind Scheffler. He's a good pass catching TE that can catch the occasional deep ball. Is he a free agent?

Oh no question. I'd take TO over anyone on this current team. But luckily we will have the opportunity to draft and or sign some useful receivers through free agency where we won't have to rely on the 39 year old.

He's going to be 39 years old next season and father time is undefeated. No thanks.

I would have last year earlier in the season, but not now. There is a plethora of receivers out there that are alot younger than a one year rental which would be T.O.

I enjoy listening to Hub when he bashes Bears management and the way he uses his words to describe it, haha. It makes me feel better. But he does come off as a know it all.

You have to be able to put it all together though. Speed will only get you so far. It's the reason Hester can be so successful as an NFL punt/kick returner and not as a WR. He simply doesn't have the skills outside of his elite speed to be able to do much of anything offensively, and when he does, it's sporadic. Knox is very similar. But when you are fitting together a team and you have two players that are 6'3 and above, Ideally you'd like atleast one guy to have the speed to get behind the defense and be able to get YAC. If you don't, then you wont have an explosive offense and teams will be able to creep that extra safety inside more often instead of keeping a guy out there to make sure you don't beat them deep.

Enderle sucked in the preseason. Didn't really come off with the greatest first impression. He looked really really bad in his first preseason, like he didn't even belong in the league; sorta Todd Collins-esque with his short arm, girly like delivery. Looked like another Dan Lefevor like pick, although Lefevor played better in preseason than Enderle did with us.

I ask myself the same question everytime I hear the name Darryl Drake. He'll be gone whenever the new GM fires Lovie after this year anyways so I guess that's the good news.

So he's saying that they are going to actually run a normal NFL offense?

I like Marc Ross alot. I hope he gets the job. Although we don't know how involved some of these guys are in the actual picking of the players. DeCosta is the only guy I know of that has actually had that real power.