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I just want a new face, even if it's a lateral move. I'm just tired of Lovie. He's had decent results with this team during his tenure but there aren't that many coaches that keep there jobs if they only make the playoffs once in the last 5 seasons.

Was never a huge Olsen fan. I felt like he dropped too many passes to be considered a great pass catching TE. Drops is a very familiar thing here in Chicago so lets hope the new GM can replace that vacancy with an even better player even if it's at a different position.

When asked about how he felt that the Bears haven't made the playoffs 4 out of the last 5 years Lovie said that the Bears have been 1 out of 2 in the last two seasons.. This is the kind of shit that I can't stand with him.

No! God no!

I don't think the GM cares one way or the other what type of defense to run, that's on the coach. If he comes here, he'll be drafting based on our Cover 2 scheme until Lovie is gone which could be as early as 2013.

Sounds about right to me. I would like Bowe the most followed by Marcus Colston. Stevie Johnson would be a nice consolation prize. I don't think you pay Desean Jackson the money he's going to want but it won't matter because Philly will most likely franchise him. Garcon is too much of a Johnny Knox clone. Both receivers are fast and both drop alot of passes. Robinson is interesting because of how he ended the year and I'd welcome him to come here to be our #2.

I worry about Jackson's mental toughness and his injury history in San Diego. He's 28 years old and doesn't seem to be much of a motivated player. Obviously he would be a gigantic upgrade but I think it's important that regardless of who we get in free agency, we need an early pick to be spent on a young WR that can grow with Cutler.

There was a story about the guy from Baltimore coming here this morning, Eric DeCosta. Just looking at their draft history my top two choices would be DeCosta and Marc Ross from the New York Giants organization. Check out each of their Bios.. DeCosta: http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Staf...ic_DeCosta.aspx 2011: Baltimore selected CB Jimmy Smith (Colorado) with the 27th-overall pick. 2010: Ravens traded for Pro Bowl WR Anquan Boldin, added quality veteran free agent DE Cory Redding and strengthened team depth through the draft. 2009: Promoted to director of player personnel, following six successful seasons as scouting director...Ravens drafted All-Rookie team honoree T Michael Oher and signed free agent K Billy Cundiff, who earned his first Pro Bowl in 2010. 2008: Led the Ravens during the NFL Draft, selecting QB Joe Flacco (18th overall), who became the Diet Pepsi (fan vote) Rookie of the Year, and RB Ray Rice, who earned his first Pro Bowl in ‘09. 2007: The Ravens drafted All-Rookie Team performer G Ben Grubbs (Auburn) as the team's first-round pick (29th overall)...Also selected T Jared Gaither in the fifth round of the Supplemental Draft. 2006: Drafted All-Rookie Team standouts DT Haloti Ngata (12th overall) and S Dawan Landry (fifth round)...Baltimore also selected top-notch P Sam Koch (sixth round). 2005: Selected All-Rookie Team honoree WR Mark Clayton (22nd overall), who had a record-breaking first year, and C/G Jason Brown (fourth round). Ross: http://www.giants.com/team/staff/marc-ross...bd-ea613a65d0de 2011 Rnd Name College Note 1 Prince Amukamara Nebraska 2 Marvin Austin North Carolina 3 Jerrel Jernigan Troy 4 James Brewer Indiana 6 Greg Jones Michigan State 6 Tyler Sash Iowa 6 Jacquian Williams South Florida 7 Da'Rel Scott Maryland 2010 Rnd Name College Note 1 Jason Pierre-Paul South Florida 2 Linval Joseph East Carolina 3 Chad Jones LSU 4 Phillip Dillard Nebraska 5 Mitch Petrus Arkansas 6 Adrian Tracy William & Mary 7 Matt Dodge East Carolina 2009 Rnd Name College Note 1 Hakeem Nicks North Carolina 2 Clint Sintim Virginia 2 William Beatty Connecticut 3 Travis Beckum Wisconsin 4 Andre Brown North Carolina State 5 Rhett Bomar Sam Houston State 6 DeAndre Wright New Mexico 7 Stoney Woodson South Carolina 2008 Rnd Name College Note 1 Kenny Phillips Miami (Fla.) 2 Terrell Thomas USC 3 Mario Manningham Michigan [4 Bryan Kehl BYU 5 Jonathan Goff Vanderbilt 6 Andre Woodson Kentucky 6 Robert Henderson Southern Miss 2007 Rnd Name College Note 1 Aaron Ross Texas 2 Steve Smith USC 3 Jay Alford Penn State 4 Zak DeOssie Brown 5 Kevin Boss Western Oregon 6 Adam Koets Oregon State 7 Michael Johnson Arizona 7 Ahmad Bradshaw Marshall

Another important thing to note is, with the new GM and the fact that the Bears are keeping Lovie for 2012 and not Mike Martz, Jay could potentially go through TWO more offensive coordinators within the next two seasons once the GM has the power to fire Lovie. That is not a good situation at all and it's one of the reasons putting a nix on firing lovie this season is so damn dumb. Lovie already has to choose yet another new OC before next season, if he's gone after next year, and the new GM hires the new HC for the Bears, that coach is going to want to choose his own staff which means whoever that OC is this year, probably won't be here for more than a season.

It's beyond idiotic but typical Bears to do something like this. After all, Ted did say that the new GM has to share some of the same beliefs of their golden boy head coach so this doesn't come as a surprise. As far as I'm concerned Ted Phillips should have been out the door right after Jerry Angelo. The two came in together, they should both leave together for creating this mess.

I'm sure they Bears will probably interview him, not only because he's a logical candidate but also because of the Rooney rule.

Yeah, hiring a GM is not going to be as easy as the Bears think. New GM's like to bring in their own coaches. That's usually how it works. When you hamstring them for a year by not allowing them to replace the current coach, it makes the job that much less appealing. But I gotta ask.. They say, with the way the current structure is here for the Bears, the GM has to report to the CEO Ted Phillips. My question is why? For what purpose? Ted Phillips doesn't know anything about how to build a football team, he's a business guy. What are you running by him that you need his opinion on? That's the part I find scary.

Then we are talking about something completely different.

I've only responded based on some of your comments that I don't necessarily agree with. You're original comment was about my exaggeration which I don't find accurate based on the fact that the teams we were going up against were crap and with the way Cutler was playing, I think we would have finished 12-4. I don't see how that is any kind of exaggeration. I find that to be a fair assessment. Then you decided to start getting 'more specific' and through all of that we had more differences of opinions. But then again, you didn't really have much to say about it other than trying to use luck as a basis for you argument.

Oakland was the most penalized team in the National Football league this year and I believe set a record for it. They were an awful football team this year. Denver has Tim Tebow. Need I say more? They have virtually no offensive game to speak of and the only time they were winning was when their defense carried them and allowed them to stay close in games. Kansas City had probably the 2nd worst backup in the league next to Caleb Haine and lossed all of their good players to injuries. They were terrible. Seattle was below average. And Minnesota currently has a top 3 draft pick. You said, "you can't simply add Cutler and everything else is guaranteed to stay the same". What doesn't Cutler affect when he's out there? Or any quarterback for that matter? They are the single most important part to a game for any position in sports. His play affects field position, how many points we score, the defensive strategy (less 8-9 man boxes), and time of possession on offense which directly correlates to how much time the defense has to be on the field. My response was that you are right. Nothing is guaranteed to same because it most likely gets better for us when Cutler is playing. There is no word games to be played. How? Your words insinuate that you don't believe you can make the argument that adding a player of Cutler's caliber translates into winning all those games against awful football teams. But almost any human on earth would tell you that if you inserted a guy like Peyton Manning in place of Curtis Painter you win alot of football games. Of course there is always a chance you lose games, it happens to everyone but the Bears had as great a chance as anyone to finish the season off with only 1 more loss after winning 7 out of 10 games because of the sub par teams they were playing. I firmly believe in all of those remaining games with the exception of GB would have been pretty damn convincing wins. No it's not. Luck is luck. Judging luck is stupid and pointless. Things going a little better than expected? What does that even mean? If Caleb Haine plays atleast average football we are in the playoffs. The only thing that he couldn't do was be terrible and he was beyond that. If there was anyone that had luck on their side it was the team playing against the Bears. 2 pick sixes has a lot to do with it, which is what I said. Cutler's skill allows him to get away with interceptions from time to time, Caleb is simply a talentless quarterback that doesn't have that luxury. In his worst game as a quarterback Haine put the final dagger in the Bears and took the wind right out of their sails. The psychological impact from the loss of Cutler was noticeable in the very first game without him but it only got worse as the year went on and then losing our RB didn't help the cause. That game was just a microcosm of how far the Bears had fallen off w/o #6 where everything just went south in a hurry. Before Cutler went down I think people took what we had in him for granted. I know I did. I honestly couldn't believe how wrong I was about how great of a quarterback he actually was after seeing what he had behind him and how he worked magic with the talent on offense. It was a real eye opener for all Bears fans. I think you are losing sight of just how much of a difference he makes. Eh, it kind of is. Winning by two or more scores is really where I was getting at in my statements. We would have won all of those games but there would have been some like the Chiefs, and Broncos games that would have ended in blowout wins and then there probably would have been some like the Raiders, Hawks games that still would have been won by double digits but perhaps not to the degree of the other two. Still, nonetheless it would have been a game that was never in any doubt which is what I believe constitutes the word, 'easy' as an appropriate word to describe it. This conversation isn't going to get anywhere, so I've said all I need to say about how I feel, and there really isn't anything out there that could change my perception of where this team was going and the type of teams we were going up against, unless you can tell me that all of those teams upgraded their talent level considerably before each of those games and could convince me that Jay Cutler wasn't a great quarterback.

Can't say I disagree with anything in this post. I've suspected for awhile now that Mike Tice would be the new OC. We're essentially in the same position we were in when Mike Martz became OC. Guys like Bates still won't come here when Lovie is again in a make or break year.

My hypothetical is also highly probable due to the fact that the teams we played were god awful while we were busy winning 5 in a row. You're right, adding Cutler doesn't make things stay the same, it makes them much much better. It's like going from Curtis Painter to Peyton Manning. The Colts easily win more than 2 games with Manning healthy for the season. Is that not fair to say? It works both ways though. Wasn't Denver lucky that Marion Barber found a way to single handily cost us the game with his numerous miscues throughout the game? The illegal formation, the stepping out of bounds, the fumble etc.. Was Kansas City lucky that Chris Conte decided to slap the ball away from Urlacher in the final seconds of the half, leading to a hail mary touchdown? Lol 2 pick 6's is going to do that to you. Has Cutler ever done that in his career? I don't believe so. Cutler is also a player that while having an off game, has the ability to get his team back into the game by making some good passes. All you get with Haine is either bad or really bad. Yeah but they also didn't lose to a Tyler Palko lead offense. Kyle Orton is a serviceable quarterback in this league. I still think anytime you go up against a significantly worse team basically 4 games in a row after Cutler went down, you should win this games and with the way we were playing at the time most of those games would have been won by double digits if not all of them.

Did it make anyone else feel a little uneasy when you found out that Ted Phillips pretty much is in control of everything important for the organization? Because it did to me.

Why can't they just fire Tim Ruskell? He was Jerry's hand picked guy and now he's gone. Makes no sense to keep him.

I don't see how it's an exaggeration in the least bit. Did you see what we were up against?? Cutler could not have played any worse than Caleb Haine did in those 5 games he started in. And we were in ALL of those games! The way Cutler was playing we would have easily beaten the Raiders, Chiefs (Tyler Palko? lol), the Broncos (Tim Tebow? lol) and the Seattle Seahawks. None of those teams are playoff teams and at the time Cutler went down the Bears were scoring 26 ppg which was good enough for 6th in the league. I can't honestly see any scenario in which the Bears lose any of those games that Caleb Haine played in. He was playing at quite possibly the worst possible level you could play at quarterback and we were still in every single game until the very end. There is no way in the world that Jay Cutler plays that poorly in the same games and gets the same result. All they needed is essentially a Josh Mcown to come in and play like he did and they still probably win most of those games. Average football beats those teams and Jay Cutler was playing well beyond average before his injury.

Tim Ruskell is still there. That has me worried a little bit.

I'm thinking it's going to be Tice. But I'm not a big fan of that because he's never called plays before and we really don't have any idea of what system he would want to run. I imagine, being an offensive line guy, he'll go with a run heavy offense but as we've seen with Bob Babich, there is a huge difference between being a position coach and a coordinator.

Dan Pompei on twitter: Cutler won't be happy about that. Time to bring in a west coast guy. Who that is? I have no idea.

Yeah but that's drafts beyond the last 5 years. He had an excellent run for a while but then him and his son started to suck and suck alot from 2005-on. It's a "What have you done for me lately" league and lately he's been pretty bad.

I wanted Cowher a couple of years ago but at what point is he not even going to be looked at as a candidate anymore? How long has he been out of the league now? 5-6 years? Jeff Fischer is nice but he really hasn't been any more successful than Lovie has during his tenure with Tennessee. Just one Super bowl appearance and alot of mediocrity after that. I'm not a Lovie Smith fan but I don't know if there is a guy out there now that I can definitely say is a clear upgrade over him. Maybe Gruden? He might be the only guy right now that I can think of but I'm blacking out on names.