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This is actually a worse offense than when we had Jonathon Quinn. I can't believe I'm actually saying that.

I would punt on first down here to avoid the pick 6.

3-0 refs. That's probably game.

The Bears are going to get Tebowed on Sunday thanks to our putrid offense.

I'm curious as to how they analyze what is a dropped pass because there is no way Roy Williams only has 5, haha.

Good god man, did you not see what I said before? I'M KIDDING. I'm just poking fun at the situation. I guess I need to start dialing up the green font again to make it known when I'm being serious or not..

But how sweet would it be if Old Man Favre came back to play against his former team and gave the Pack there first loss while he threw 4 TD's and a game winning touchdown pass on the final drive?

Sacks are a great barometer for measuring the success of an offensive line. QB hits are another way of measuring success and the only reason I haven't brought it up is because I haven't been able to find that statistic from a game to game basis. I do know that this line has given up 62 quarterback hits over the entire season (7th out of 32) but those are counting the two with Haine at quarterback and of course, early on in the season when they couldn't block anybody with Frank Omiyale starting. I've also provided statistics from previous arguments over WR's when you keep saying that our offensive line is unquestionably worse than our WR core, and I cited the fact that we were 3rd or 4th worst at the time in drops as a team. We were ranked 15th or 16th overall in sacks allowed with Cutler (Again that's including the first few weeks with Frank Omiyale leading up to the Vikings game). When you compare the two, given that WR drops ranks much higher in its category than Sacks allowed ranks in it's category, lends credence to my argument. So far, you have shown nothing of the sort that would even invite me into re-believing that our offensive line is the worst part of our team. I provide facts and statistics to support my opinion, while you continue to say one thing and hide behind it. No, I hate the offense. Plain and simple. I hated the signing from the moment we got him but nobody else wanted the job at the time. I knew his style did not fit with Cutler well, I knew his offense often got his quarterbacks killed and essentially ended Marc Bulger's career because of it. The fact that it had to take another Mike Martz intervention to get everything together this season is really scary. He might change for a couple of weeks but sooner or later he goes back to being Mike Martz. I don't get this.. ? The changes made by Martz is something that should have been a given in any offense that doesn't have an All Pro offensive line. You do those things (the rollouts, the screens, the chip blocking) to help alleviate some of the pressure from the line, which, in turn, keeps the defense off balanced. That's something the Bears should have been doing anyways. The fact that they have to do those things is not an indictment on the offensive line, otherwise we would have to go in and say that about every other NFL team that runs two TE sets, rolls there quarterback out, or throws the occasional screen pass. See my point on hating his offense. What are these countless links you speak of? That's news to me. So far the only thing I've seen from you is a link to some random guys notes and some small sample size from a game that is suppose to indicate how if the OL performs our offense gets better, which is obvious. That doesn't cut it. I find it pointless to point towards the two games Cutler hasn't been under center as any kind of evaluation tool for grading the offensive line. That all ended when he went down. I mean, what's the point? You're offense is obviously going to get worse with your backup quarterback and RB, especially when the quarterback has no clue where he's at on the field and often times can't get rid of the ball as quick as he needs to because he doesn't know how to read an NFL defense. I was one of the guys last year and early in the season this year that said this was the worst offensive line in the history of football so it's not like I can't change my opinion on something when it's worth changing. This line has really done an admirable job once they got things tightened up and the coaches finally realized Frank Omiyale was garbage. I think I said it before but if I didn't, I respect the guy's opinion. I think it's cool that he does what he does. But he is no different than you or I in regards to being your average person talking about the sports teams that we love. So I don't value his opinion anymore than I view yours or anyone elses. Not only that but what you were showing were his grades, which is a totally subjective and arbitrary way of expressing something. That just doesn't do anything for me. That's all I'm saying.

Yeah I thought it would go without saying that I was being sarcastic. We either sink or we drown with Caleb Haine. Only a couple weeks left in the season anyways.

Lol. I find it incredibly ironic that of all people, I'm the one that is thinking simply when all this time I've sat here and shared some factual information from this season that aids my argument while you continue to throw out blanket statements of senseless fluff. Your sentences are filled with baseless information and its hard to take the things you say seriously. I don't think you've ever once showed me any bit of circumstantial evidence or some form of a statistic to support any of your claims. I feel like I don't even need to respond to half of the stuff you say because its usually things like "Watch the games" or "We can't run deep routes" or "Look at Noot's notes", "There is no debating this" etc.. etc.. the list goes on. When you say these things, it makes you sound like someone who is inane or half-witted.

The problem is the Bears aren't any good when their Franchise quarterback isn't playing for them and they do not have a quality backup to replace him in his absence.

Get it done JA!

He wasn't helping Marion Barber on the sidelines, and he didn't have a smile on his face. His body language was bad. Maurrice Jones Drew would have played with an amputated leg.. What a quitter.

Running backs are easily the most replaceable position in the NFL. There will be another Matt Forte, just as there will be another pro bowl RB to come through in the middle rounds of the draft. I'm against drafting a 1st round RB unless he's in the mold of Adrian Peterson or Barry Sanders. With 3 first round picks the Bears would be able to solve many holes in their offense and perhaps add another player on the defensive side of the ball (LB, DE, or S). Unfortunately, no team in their right minds would give away two of their 1st rounders for a RB. Therefore Matty will be forced to sign the tender or sit out and lose what money he has. I'm pretty sure it'll be the former.

Obviously not, because if he did, it wouldn't have had to take Jay Cutler to scream and yell at him for 5 weeks before he realized that what worked well late in last years season could work again this season. What happened in the San Diego game when the Chargers failed to record a sack against the Bears? Just lucky huh? How about the game against Minnesota where they only allowed 1 sack? Oh but they only had one random good game against the Eagles.. Silly me. Actually, since that game against the Vikings, the Bears have only allowed 5 sacks going into the game against the Raiders including two shut outs against the Eagles and the Chargers. That's a fact. They were scoring about 25 ppg with Jay Cutler in the lineup. That's pretty solid given the lack of talent at the WR position. Also, I remember you said "As the offensive line goes so does the offense." The offense was starting to play very well before Cutler went down, but you say the OL has only had one random good game against Philadelphia, does your statement all of a sudden not apply anymore? How is it possible to put up 31 against the Chargers using your logic if the line didn't play well?

But that's my point. That's what you are suppose to do. That is a logical thing to do when you don't have a line filled with All Pro's. What's wrong with doing something that benefits your offense? The reason this is even a discussion is because of who our offensive coordinator is. None of that will matter after this season anyways once that guy is gone. I think everyone will be surprised with how well our line will play in a system that better suits them. If you're line of thinking is "Well because Martz has to do all that extra stuff to help the offensive line, that must mean that our line is incapable of handling themselves without help," I would tell you that you are wrong. Every coordinator except Martz does this, and there is no discussion about it. When you run the Martz offense, you continuously put your offensive line in position to where they are expected to protect the quarterback for longer than what can be expected from a normal offensive line. 7 step drops automatically put your line at a disadvantage. There isn't a lineman out there that wants to do that routinely. There is nothing wrong with max protecting your quarterback from time to time, or rolling him out of pressure to help yourself out during a game. Gone are the days when you can consistently send all your guys in a route. But that's not to say you can't do it from time to time. 31 NFL teams do these things and it goes unnoticed because it's what can be expected.

Of but it wasn't. For once, Mike Martz offered to help out the line by calling for more protections and more rollouts, which is what you are suppose to do with your team. You play to your strengths (Look at Green Bay). They've given up 29 sacks this season and I don't see anybody calling them atrocious the way they are calling the Bears offensive line atrocious. That offense doesn't even run near as many, if any 7 step drops as this offense does and they've allowed almost as many sacks as the Bears. So what do they do to get away with it? They roll the quarterback out, they run a quick passing system, and they have the best quarterback in the NFL. I don't have the numbers in front of me but I'm pretty sure that over the past 5-6 weeks (with Cutler) the offensive line hasn't given up more than a handful of sacks, ~6-7. That's pretty good if you ask me. I guarantee you that just about every team in the league would be near the top of the league in sacks allowed if they ran the Mike Martz offense. Hell, even the greatest show on turf that had Orlando Pace were still among the top 10 in sacks allowed during their hay day. Bottom line, when you run this style of offense, there is no beating around the fact that your quarterback is going to get sacked. But when Cutler finally got to Mike Martz right before Minnesota, he decided to do some logical things with this offense by aiding the line with chip blocking, with less 7 step drops, running the ball more etc.. That's what you are suppose to do!! Once Cutler and now Forte went down, it's pathetic to start using your evaluation tool with the offensive line now that there two best players are out of the game. Once Cutler went down, our season was over and Martz is looking ahead to his next job.

He's either going to get franchised or some team is going to have to give us two first round picks for him if he doesn't sign the tender.

I don't understand why they just don't cut him? What the hell has he done this year to deserve a roster spot? I'd cut Johnny Knox too but that's never going to happen. I can't wait until both of those guys are no longer Bears.

Thank God. I heard earlier reports that it was a torn ACL but that was from Sean Jenson who is an idiot in his own right. Glad its only a sprain. Quite frankly I didn't think it looked that bad. His knee didn't hyper extend on the hit. It was just a real hard hit right square on the knee.

As far as I'm concerned, everything went out the door when Cutler went out with his injury. It's foolish to start evaluating our guys now that we have no quarterback and now with Matt's injury, no running back. Just as Cutler makes everyone around him better, Caleb Haine makes everyone around him worse. As I mentioned before, everyone had their share of bad in this game and lets leave it at that. Before Cutler went down, the line was playing tremendous football and the WR's were still bad outside of Earl Bennett. There is no reason to draft another OL in the draft when we will be picking in the mid-upper teens in the 1st round. Nobody picks guards that early in the draft, so why not use it to upgrade your talent at a skill position? I can't wait to see who we end up with when this offseason begins. Cutler for once, will have somebody to throw the ball to.

Tim Tebow is about to drive the Broncos to another comeback win! This guy is insane.

I'm noticing a whole lot of bad from this offense. Terrible quarterback play, terrible WR play, terrible offensive line play, terrible play calling.. This is one of the worst offensive games I have ever seen from a Bears team dating back to the days of Craig Krenzel and Jonathon Quinn.

Two of the worst WR's in the league, Roy Williams and Johnny Knox. If it's not dropping the football it's running the wrong routes, or its slipping at the most in opportune times, or not fighting for the ball.

Roy Williams is beyond bad. Could this game get any worse?