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I like Athletic offensive lineman. He just became a favorite. He's not a pile of goo either. Kid looks put together. I would definitely endorse him as a potential draftee.

What do you guys think about Terron Armstead? I believe he's the fastest, most athletic OL in the draft. Just ran a 4.65 40. I saw Brad Biggs just tweeted the Bears spoke to him at the senior bowl. Interesting prospect.

Don't flame me. I figured I might as well throw this out there just as a conversation piece for a while since these are slow news days. This Incarceratedbob dude is a bit of a wack job, but surprisingly has been right on many things NFL the last several years. He called the Mario Williams, and the Peyton Manning signings well before they happened. He also called the Brandon Marshall trade before many of the major networks got their information. Yes, he's been wrong several times as well. So at any rate, take this with a grain of salt. I found it interesting. We know that Phil is looking for WR help. Welker is up there in age, but you can't argue with his production. I'd probably rather have Amendola, who's a younger version of Welker if we go the route of free agency. If we go the route of the draft, I'd rather have Tavon Austin. He fits the West Coast style of offense though, that's for sure. Very shifty, not fast, but supremely quick. Obviously much better than Bennett, who's really just another guy at this point.

I wouldn't because of the money. The hope is to get somebody better than Bushrod, because he isn't that great either.

That would be worse case scenario. I still think we'll be able to find a replacement via the draft or free agency.

I said this before, but I'm not going to really be all the upset if we let Melton walk in order to sign offensive lineman or someone else in free agency. I like him, but I don't think he is the best Defensive tackle that he claims to be.

Adding a TE doesn't change a thing about lacking speed at the WR position, or the offense in general.

I have concerns about an offensive lineman coming off a serious foot injury. I don't question his talent. As a 3rd, the value is much better than it is in the 1st or 2nd. I'd be a bit gun shy if I were the Bears, given their bad history of taking players who come in pre-injured.

It would be something nice if Tavon Austin falls to the 2nd round. I don't see how he gets past Houston, New England, or San Francisco in the late first though. I wouldn't rule out Phil perhaps trading back a couple spots in the 1st to get this kid either. Too difficult to predict now though until we see what happens in free agency.

I'd agree. His chances of being worthy of a first round pick would be enhanced if he went to a team that runs a 3-4 system. If he went to the Bears I think it would be a disaster.

He could succeed in both, but I think he would be better off in a 3-4 given his physical limitations. I think the Bears need someone with elite level athleticism at the position who can move sideline to sideline, and protect the deep middle if he has to. Teo' isn't that guy. He looked like a boy amongst men in the National Championship game. Understandably, one game doesn't make a career, but that's about as close as you can get to a real NFL offensive line, and they just made him look awful.

I don't really think he's that good, in all honesty. I think he's too slow, can't move his hips well enough to play in this defense, and not great in coverage or in tight spaces. He's a guy that can come in and finish off a tackle, or fill up a gap in the run game. I'm not saying he's horrible. I don't believe he's a 1st round pick, and I'm not sure he'd be the right person for this cover 2 defense that we are seemingly going to continue to run.. I actually think he belongs as an ILB in a 3-4. There is also the fake girlfriend stuff that HAS to be brought up. MLB is a position that is often looked upon as a position of leadership. Do you really want that guy leading your defense for the next 5-7 years? That's a question all GM's are asking themselves as they put their boards together.

His stock won't fall very much. You know the Bengals would take a chance on him. They don't care about anything.

Crap.. That's the guy I wanted as our new TE.

30 doesn't change the number much. I used 20 because I was looking at one of Henderson's seasons. It's not really that unfathomable to believe we could find a receiver who could be a more reliable deep threat than Devin Hester. Like I said, we just had one in Knox before he went down with a career ending injury. If they decide to keep Hester, I would hope he is only used on kickoffs and punts. As for the Tavon Austin question. I don't consider him a one trick pony. He's not someone who will be running down field all the time. He's going to be used in a lot of different ways rather than just one. Sort of like a Randall Cobb.

Nice try. Actually, there were 5 players that have caught at least 20 or more passes last year who were over the 17 YPC mark, and several more who were within .5 or less. Nevermind the fact that we had one of those guys who's did it twice in 3 years as a 5th round draft pick. 14 players in 2011 had averages at or over 17 ypc, and 8 more were within .5 of that number. Please continue to try and find more ways to make Hester look like a better receiver than he really is. And no, I don't think Tavon Austin would be one of those guys because he would be a slot receiver that caught a lot of passes inside the numbers, which he would then turn into yards after the catch. He's not a one trick pony.

If the Saints replaced Henderson with Hester and put him in Devery's role, I could almost guarantee you he would come no where close to averaging 20 YPC. I would be satisfied with a guy that could get you 17. Knox was a little better than that, which is why I've said in the other thread that him being gone was a big loss.

OT, OG, TE, LB, and WR in no particular order.

Rofl. Yes I see his stats. I don't know how this helps your argument, but I see them nevertheless. What I see isn't particularly good either. I see a guy who has had very little impact as a receiver, whether that is as a #1, #2, or #4. The arrow on his career is most certainly trending downward as he eclipses 30 years of age. The last two seasons especially have been completely forgettable. The Wallace comparison was more of an example of your shoddy attempt to try to heighten Hester's value in what you consider a threat. If I'm scraping towards the bottom of the barell for my stretch receiver, then I'd absolutely want Devin Hester as my guy. He's been as much of a factor in our passing game as Kellen Davis has been the past few seasons. Davis- 37 receptions, 435 yards, 7 touchdowns last two seasons Hester- 49 receptions, 611 yards, 2 touchdowns last two seasons Just to give you a little perspective on what I consider to be a REAL threat-- Devery Henderson in his prime was putting up seasons where his catch averages were 23.3, 20.5, and 24.8 yards per catch. THAT is production from a guy who has never been anything more than a specialty player. To put it in comparison with Devin Hester, he has put up averages of 14.2, 13.3, and 15.0 (second season) in his best years. Johnny Knox was at 19.6 and 18.8 his last two years.. So yeah, there's being a threat, and then there's being a better threat, and producing at a much more efficient clip.

There goes Cutler's leading receiver!

It doesn't me either. Which is why I don't have #9 need as being an option to draft.

Was he not a deep threat the last 6 seasons when he tried to impersonate himself as being a WR? Ideally, the receiver we're looking to add should matter more, and be more impactful than just someone who runs down the field and drops passes or causes interceptions because he doesn't know what he's suppose to be doing. If they choose to go the route of a 4-5-6th round pick, if the player turns out to be the next Johnny Knox, that would be best case scenario. If we spend an earlier pick, or take somebody with a high price tag in free agency, that guy is going to be doing a lot more on the field. I go back to the kid out of West Virginia. If the Bears took him, he'd not only be your slot receiver, but he does everything else. You can line him up in the backfield, you can have him return kicks, throw deep balls etc.. He'd be much more of a dangerous threat than someone like Devin Hester, thus making the offense more dynamic.

Looks like we have another guy who doesn't own a television or understands the difference between a threat and productivity. Devin Hester can run, but those of us who have seen him try to play receiver over the past 6 years know he's not likely to be much of a factor, despite his speed. There's a reason why he didn't have a position coming out of college. I mean my god, we're acting like no coordinator he's ever worked with has tried to get some kind of production out of him. He'll make flash plays a couple times a season, but they are few and far between, because for every play he does make, there is a larger handful of plays he screws up. You can probably count on one hand the number of times Devin has been able to adjust to a pass downfield that isn't thrown perfectly to him. He doesn't even jump like a normal receiver, and his IQ is deplorable. Cutler clearly does not trust him, and frankly I don't blame him. Essentially what you're saying is there is no difference between Mike Wallace as a threat and Devin Hester. All they do is run fast, neither can run a route, so it must be the same, right? Get out of here with that garbage. At least act like you've seen him play before. This guy is no better than Kellen Davis is as a TE.

No West Coast offense is the same for everyone. Every team that uses those principles have their own version of how they run it. Greenbay, the Saints, the Patriots, and others run some semblance of a West coast scheme. Those teams like to spread you out and make other team's linebackers cover the slot receivers. Some teams like the Seahawks go with more of a power attack, and open things up with play action. It remains to be seen what Trestman will bring to this team. One thing I know is that Trestman likes to play the matchup game. So there is going to be many of times where you could see players playing in different spots depending on what the gameplan is. Just because some guy is labeled as a #4 doesn't mean he can't get on the field when we're in a 2-3 WR formation.

Actually, no he doesn't. He is a bad WR. In an offense that will pass a lot, you will need more WR's who can catch the football, and be at the right place at the right time, who also have a better IQ of understanding how to separate from coverage consistently. If Tavon Austin or somebody we take (if we take) early on in the draft, he's likely going to be taking Earl Bennett's place and will see the field more often.