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Reading some of the tweets, it sounds like he's saying they could do pretty much anything in the draft. Trading up, trading down, staying at 20.. Didn't really get a feel for which way he was leaning, which is exactly the way I'm sure he wants it.

Any list that has Percy Harvin and Roddy White ahead of Brandon Marshall is a bad list. He was an All-Pro last year, and thus belongs in the top 2.

I would rather we not spend another pick on a TE with Rodriguez and Bennett already on the roster. I understand the logic behind wanting two big pass catching TE's, but I feel like Rodriguez should be just as capable of being a factor in the passing game.

I'm open to either guy, but I think Brown is going to end up being the better player in the long run. Slightly better athlete, has better instincts, can cover almost just as well, and is a tackling machine. Ogletree has the height advantage, which will make him a little more valuable in a cover 2 defensive scheme (which I'm still not convinced we will be sticking with), but outside of that, I don't really see a gigantic difference between he or Brown as a prospect.

I think he'll be gone by the end of the first. Too many teams need LB'ers at the back end, including Minnesota, Indianapolis, and Baltimore. He's, at worst, the second best LB'er in this draft and IMO the best overall. Hard to see him slip all the way to 50.

If we came away with those top 3 picks I will be the happiest man in the world.

I'm just happy that Trestman finally finished the playbook.

I'm not really into the whole jersey retiring thing anyways. Let players wear whatever number they want and let the history take care of itself. Singeltary's number isn't even retired. Shea McCellin is wearing Dan Hampton's old number. Did they put a call into him as well? Just seems odd.

Didn't the NFL tell the Bears year's ago to stop retiring jersey #'s because they already had retired so many?

Non-issue as far as I'm concerned. 50 isn't retired.

It would be so Phil to go with a player none of us are talking about. I don't know if I should be scared or intrigued. The McClellin pick certainly caught me off guard last year. the Brandon Hardin pick in the 3rd round was a bit of a head scratcher too. Let's hope at least one of the LB's are there for us when we pick (Ogletree or Brown, not Teo') or one of the guards (Warmack or Cooper) are still there at 20 if we keep the pick.

Yes, taking him would make me very angry. I don't think he's nearly as good as some people say he is. Too many flaws in his game that are not conducive to playing MLB in a 4-3 system, in a division where Aaron Rodgers and Matt Stafford throw the ball as much as they do. The Bears need athletic, agile LB's to keep those teams away from exploiting the middle of the field.

Sucks that the Bears have hardly any money left to spend. I think I saw a tweet somewhere that they've got roughly 3.4 million or so left to spend, but I assume that some of that would have to be reserved for signing draft picks.

Assuming we can't trade the pick, I'd probably take Joekel. I wouldn't have signed Bushrod if we had the #1 pick though. You can't go guard #1, so Warmack is out of the picture. There's no QB worthy of being a #1 pick either. I'd consider Milliner or Letoulele but Joekel would have made the most sense.

We could sign him to play RT.

My top 5 would be: 1- Warmack 2- Austin 3- Brown 4- Ogletree 5- Cooper

Good picks. I would be fine with any of those three selections.

That would be a weird way to return. I think that bridge has already been burned after the comments coming from both sides. If nobody wants him, he might just retire. Should have taken the 2 million and swallowed the pride, though I think the Bears were hoping that it would go this way all along.

For the professionals, I would agree. You have prior scouting experience? If you mean that you played the game in high school or whatever, that doesn't mean much. If NFL teams started going around hiring just anybody who enjoys watching football, the success rate as a whole would see a major drop off. I think that's a pretty realistic assumption. You would see far less successful picks made in the later rounds of the draft. If we're only letting people determine who a team takes in the 1st round, then I would agree with your premise. But we're not.

I included myself as well, not just you. It wasn't an insult directed towards you, personally. It was a reality check for anyone who thinks they could walk in and be a GM without any type of professional experience.

Are we including you? If so, yes. It could always be worse, and it would be if somebody on this forum took over a General Manager position of an NFL Franchise.

I believe you have been on record saying you could personally do as good, if not a better job at drafting than some of the NFL GM's of the present and past. Do you know how incredibly arrogant that sounds, coming from somebody with absolutely no experience whatsoever, at any level of football, to think they can just waltz on in to a job right away and know how to evaluate players better than the professionals who have done it for a living? That is some F'd up logic. If teams started hiring anybody who has ever watched film or taken notes before, that 40% success rate would drop astronomically. All the more reason why NFL teams don't just hire anybody who has ever watched film or taken notes before....

They are trained professionals. They are paid to know how to watch film and make judgements on prospects. No offense, but I'm pretty sure nobody here is qualified to be an NFL scout or a GM. You have to know what to look for, outside of the obvious. There's certain intricacies that go into knowing how to evaluate players that an untrained eye would not know how to read. No problem with someone trying to formulate their own opinions, based on tape they have watched, but to act like it's so easy to be able to do a job as well as trained professionals at the highest level is pretty laughable and more than a little presumptuous. And to clarify, I'm mostly speaking on the true NFL scouts, not the talking heads you see on TV. Especially former players.

Arthur Brown is actually the same size as Ogletree now. Increased his weight to 241 at the time of his pro day. Ogletree is not the athlete he's being touted as coming into the draft. He is by no means a freak. Looked slow to me on film, and I don't like the way he plays in the run game. His best attribute comes from being a decent pass coverage LB. Arthur Brown surpasses him in almost every other category besides that. He's a more sure handed tackler, and he's excellent in tight spaces. Ogletree makes sense if they are planning on keeping the Cover 2. If not, Brown is a better pick because I think he's going to be a better player.