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Maybe, theres been reports they might move Albert inside and still go with Joeckel. Its gonna be interesting to see what they do now. Albert has said he doesn't wanna move inside but it can still happen.

Now it'll be interesting to see if the move him inside and go with Joeckel #1 or head a different direction. Them not taking Luke could benefit the Bears. Maybe Johnson will fall now but it's still hard to see.

He'd be a great pickup if we can clear the money. He won't come at the 3M people were predicting awhile ago but whatever it takes he could be worth it.

Once again, just like Az pointed out, you're reading to far into this. Have I ever called Webb great? Never. Just because I'm expressing why and how I think he can be more successful next year doesn't mean I think he's great.

And a WCO usually doesn't call for 7 step drops so whether or not they have the time is not needed. The thing I like about the WCO, if utilized how I read it, you put 3 receivers on one side of the field in the same area just at varying depths so it's much quicker to find your 2nd and 3rd reads. Have your RB or TE work the shallow are, your slot guy work the middle, then Marshall or Jeffery work over top. I'm not sure how often the Bears did something like this but chances are slim they did it a lot. Him having a ridiculously greater amount of time in the pocket is also false and actually quite the opposite Snaps Time to Throw Drew Brees NO 357 2.67 Jay Cutler CHI 278 2.74 Then there's time till sack, which tells you how long he held onto the ball. Jay Cutler CHI 278 4.01 Drew BreesNO 357 2.85 But hey its PFF stats, those blokes don't know how to us a stopwatch!

This isn't really the case at all. Maximized to get the ball out quick?? Was that really the case? Keeping TEs and RBs in doesn't maximize getting the ball out quickly. When you're only putting 3 guys out as receivers it basically means all 3 can be double teamed which is not the way to get the ball quicker. I think the better strategy is to actually put those guys out as receivers. If you throw out 5 receivers, whether it be 3 WR/1 TE/1RB or 2WR/1TE/1RB/1FB it forces the defense to go single coverage on a few receivers which the bears can take advantage of in a quicker fashion. Deploying 5 receivers means if they wanna double Marshall and still bring 5 guys in pressure then there's gonna be 4 other receivers in single coverage. With a big guy like Jeffery and hopefully a big TE like Escobar those guys can beat single coverage.

Webb had 1 more penalty than Bushrod. I'd also assume the metrics they use are the same for every player so whether they're a good way to judge them or not the numbers should be consistent. The "difference of opinion" opinion in your argument is also pretty silly, jumping Webb up 5-10% while only bumping Bushrod ~2% isn't really a great line of thinking. The thing about Bushrod, past the stats, is I've seen several Saints fans say he rides the coattails of his LG with a ton of help....How do you think he would have looked next to the shit we had their last year? How do you think Webb would have looked next to Ben Grubbs, or Carl Nicks before him? I'd say those percentages you presented would change a good deal. Now I know unless we grab Levitre we're probably not gonna get a guy that's on Grubbs or Nicks level but there are a lot of guys in this draft that would be huge upgrades over the shit we had there last year.

For what it's worth I believe that 9 number is wrong, profootballweekly is the only place I see that number, everywhere else says 7. And a large portion of those came in 3 games which he played bad but also wasn't set up for success either. You simply can't let any LT in the league go 1v1 against Matthews or Aldon Smith. Employing a FB and having him spy Matthews or force him out in pass coverage would be a pretty good plan of attack next year. Biggs has his sack number at 7 in his article he posted last night....An article that I had already made note of here in comparing Webb with Bushrod that got me murdered here.

I've read they are offering him 6-7M a year which is a far cry from the 11 he wants.

He's a bit of a wild card to me. He only started 4 games at Oregon, all at LG. He had time at LT, and has the size and athleticism to play there and that's why he's billed there as well as OG. A plus is he can come in and compete at both LG and LT, where the competition is needed. I personally am more of a fan of what I read about Dallas Thomas who can offer the same LG/LT possibility but is not nearly as raw as Long...Long and Armstead are both probably a few years away from being the level of LT bears fans want, though both can probably play LG right away (esp on this current roster).

Relegating him to the bench would mean no more developing to me. At least development visible to the public or developing against NFL defenses. Right now I view him as an average LT who can be above average with some more coaching and a better situation around him. But yes, we both have 2 different opinions on this so this discussion will never end. Sadly there is no other news to talk about so this fun may linger on longer than it should.

The fight has spilled over to another thread AZ. One thread couldn't contain it. Now we're on to making an ass (out of) u (and) me....You'll see what I did there.

And I've said numerous times thats I'm ok with bringing in Albert, or another OT to compete. So in a way I agree with you. If they can get Albert, awesome. If they bring in a guy like King Dunlap and he outplays Webb, great. If they take a OT in the draft and he's better than Webb, fantastic. All I'm saying is I'm ok with Webb because I see a player who is 24 and developing into a fine LT. And yes it is assuming, that's all we can do right now...I'm assuming he will develop more and you're assuming he won't.

The Saints have Bushrod who was ranked 10 slots lower in pass protection than JWebb and Zach Strief who was a 7th round draft pick. Carimi is up in the air as I've said, if he's stronger and improves in pass blocking he's a perfect RT. You're assuming Webb doesn't improve like he's done the last 3 years aren't you? You're assuming Carimi won't come into the season stronger and thus potentially better...It goes both ways sir, it's the offseaon, everything is an assumption.

And we will be different but there's not much you can do differently on the offensive line and that's what we're talking about right now. Some new blood here, Milwaukee join in on some conversations dude...the same few people posting is getting brutal....But ya ya at some point we're just gonna have to agree to disagree on this topic, I'll never buy an argument that says we shouldn't try to be more like the Saints on offense...That's ludicrous...so we might as well cut it short now cause I can go all night....Which is something Twig apparently wants me to do lol

Why move away from the same inside zone scheme that Kromers knows and has has success with? Is Aaron just gonna move completely away from what he knows because we're the Chicago flippin Bears? Brees does indeed make the OL look better because he gets the ball out quicker, which is something Marc is gonna want Jay to get better at. We don't have Jimmy Graham, no but we do have Brandon Marshall who is a better receiver than Graham. We also have a better run game so whats the problem with wanting to be the Saints with a better run game...that sounds fantastic to me. Why wouldn't you wanna be the damn saints lol...with this D? oh lordy. that's scary.

I don't recall calling you that but my memory is not great, too many shots to the head. Your posts are fine, and fun sometimes, the grammar, spelling, and sentence structure is sometimes hard to take in though....But its just a message board and those things don't matter so you're all good. AZ is the more well rounded poster in that regard though...And he agrees with me making him 10x better =p But lets not steer this away from football.

Please continue to add your thoughts, you're probably one of the most well written posters on the board it seems. The intelligence behind it is a breath of fresh air here. I agree with your thoughts on Fluker as well. If he's the last of the top tier guys left you gotta think about taking him but I'd also have to think about going another direction here. If the staff thinks either Gabe or Fluker can improve their pass protection then he can be a good pick as you can slot one at RT and the other at OG.

It's possible he will be. He's certainly got the physical tools at 6'9" 330 he's probably one of the biggest OTs in the game which will get him some looks. PFF wraps him up pretty good

No, I saw your previous post and instead of quoting it and addressing it I added it in here just for you....Also notice the snarky "Hmm, go figure" remark. Trust me that was just for you, I'm the one that wrote it.

I put that line in there specifically to address your previous comments. Notice the wasn't the only one to say it? part....ya that was just for you buddy. How many teams run that inside zone scheme?? All I know is the Saints have put more emphasis on the interior line, their tackles haven't been anything special, and yet they still have been a top 5 OL the past 5 years. Brian Billeck made note of the Saints inside out blocking during the combine, I wish I could remember the quote but it made a lot of sense, I know it went right along with the line of thinking here.

Pretty well done here. I can't really debate the draft. I think I might switch the 2nd and 3rd pick and go Escobar/Ertz and then Swope with the 3rd pick I saw some bait in there and I'll take it but I won't go on a long rant and take away from an otherwise solid plan you laid out here....Dunlap is not the sure thing you make him out to be. Would he be worthy competition to bring in? absolutely.

Interesting, who said this?? If none of the top talents, Johnson, Warmack, Cooper, or Fluker are there I'd probably go Eifert if I were Phil. Chances are there's gonna be a day 1 OG there in the 2nd to grab so you still get good value at a need. If the offense plays out like I think it will I think you can get more out of Eifert than Austin.

All my points are made in some sort of argument so there's a little heat behind it. I'm a very opinionated, and passionate person in case you haven't noticed lol. He's said every thing I've tried to to get across only they didn't come out, as you said, as eloquent as mine came out. This is the key and it's why these arguments begin. When written in a civilized or eloquent manner the points I was trying to make are more inviting to others. His points are my points for the most part and you see how that came across with you. I was a pro wrestler for 2 years and I feel like I'm the biggest "heel" on the board lol.

Lordy....That's quite the chunk of change, and some team is likely to give him that.