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Once again, I brought up Bushrod after Terra once again bashed Webb to the tune of saying he doesn't even deserve a job in the NFL. Terra in his mock wanted to pay JB 7M a year and that is why he was brought up. It was a dig at him for saying a guy who was a worse pass protector than Webb deserves 7M while Webb doesn't even deserve a job. Then you chimed in and things escalated to where they are now. Beatty and Albert would be better, and both are rumored to return their respect teams. Albert probably hits the market though and will cost a pretty penny. We have a 7th round pick who was thrown into the fire way to quickly (how many 7th round picks start right away?) who has developed every year he's been here. He's got 1 more year on his contract, if he doesn't to continue to develop then he's gone. The Saints blocking scheme got by with worse as far as protection goes at LT. Give the big money to a OG like the Saints have done. Spread out the defense with 5 receivers and force LBs to cover our backs/TEs. Those things will help create much easier match ups up front and thus make the OL better. There are multiple teams that use PFF I've read. The Giants brought in the guy who started it to help him out before the super bowl years ago. I think these guys know what they're doing otherwise it probably wouldn't be looked at by NFL teams. If you look at their way of grading it's a pretty sound way of doing things as they take everything into account. However it is they grade Webb has made a significant jump each year in those gradings. I don't think it is out of the realm of possibilities that he does it again this year in an offense that will help him big time by getting the ball out quicker. As for Bushrod spend as much time as you'd like looking at Saints fans and Saints beat writers comments on him. I cherry picked that 1 comment because it summed up the whole boards thoughts on him. I knew people wouldnt actually go to the link I provided them with like you obviously didn't.

Excuse me for trying to be a little bit like the Bears GM by looking at our players in an unbiased fashion. It's hard for the 1 hurry every 15 snaps (Bushrod) vs 20 snaps (Webb) that I presented to be "incomplete and questionable". it's also hard to ignore when reading A TON of different (Saints fans, PFF, and other experts) reports saying that he's not a good pass protector, he rode on the coattails of Evans and Grubbs, and people saying he's not even a LT. He may be better but not 5-7 million dollars better. No mater how incomplete and questionable the ratings may be, he went from -35 to -16.2 to -0.7...I don't think it's outlandish to think that at 24 he will still continue to improve. Esp with the RBs getting more involved in the pass game and the addition of a TE.

Beatty and Albert are probably looking at close to 7. Find me a good statement about Bushrods pass protection and it'll be the first I've seen. It's hard for me to justify giving a player even 5M for a guy who is a worse pass protector than Webb. Every report I'm reading on him is his guards are carrying him in pass protection...Which is why I'm calling for Levitre to do much of the same.

Here's some Saints fans take on Bushrod... http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=513098 This guy sums up everyones thoughts... Side note- stumbled upon this when looking up all things Bushrod... http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/tag/_/nam...ushrod/count/16 ( maybe he's the type of guy Kromer will turn into the next Evans or Bushrod.

Well said. GMs that want a good run blocker at LT sure. I wouldn't pay 7M for an upgrade in run blocking. If we want a better run blocker at LT then move Carimi to LT. Would you pay 7M for a guy who over the last 3 years has given up the 5th most hurries over the last 3 years?

Exactly. He had 2 pretty bad games against guys who almost everyone in the league had bad games against. Take those games away and he was well above average. Again..In 3 games Jared Allen and JJ Watt got blanked again Webb. What's that tell you?

I just brought up Bushrod because Terra wants to pay him 7M a year and he's been the most outrageous Webb basher He shaved 6 penalties and 5 sacks off his totals... I really think the utilization of the RB in the passing game is gonna make Webb look good.

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Ya I probably shouldn't compare a player who ranked 45th in pass protection with a guy who ranked 35th...or a guy who gave up a hurry every 15 snaps with a guy who gave up a hurry every 20. Such a stupid comparison on my part...my bad

Fit speed is Brandon Marshalls training facility...We all know Jeffery was going to be training with Marshall but I just wanted to point out that E-Rod and Armando Allen are also training there as well. (Didn't really know where to put this so why not a new thread?) It was noted that Marshall went from a 4.7 to a 4.4 40 in 8 weeks while training at Fit Speed. A boost in speed to all of those guys would be fantastic.

Which would make Bushrod what???

Well look forward to thinking the offseason was a failure because I think he gets the nod.

Absolutely. If they can clear up the cap space I'd rather spend big on Levitre than one of LTs.

I actually think its best case scenario because of how cheap he will be. I personally think he will be solid next year but thats just me. Grab a LT prospect that Kromer would like to work with in the later rounds.

Pompei thinks Webb has the pole position at LT for next year. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/footb...,2610849.column I agree.

We really gotta hope Melton takes a backloaded contract. A franchise tag or giving him what he deserves is really gonna hurt us

Yup no TE is a major flaw....They're not gonna have the money to sign your LT, a TE, Melton, and have enough money to fill their roster.

It's a thought, but idk man. I'd rather just trade down and get enough top end talent this year, I really think we can win a title. A 6th round TE would make me a sad panda if we can't grab one in FA. I also think if the Chiefs can hit on a QB they won't be THAT bad.

I wouldn't mind adding a speed guy but not early. I think we'll see the TE in the slot a bunch (Just a hunch) with Marshall and Jeffery on the outside. Bennett kinda becomes our #4 in a way, coming in when they go to a single back/TE in line formation. I know it sounds a little out there but I just think barring injuries we're fine at WR. We need to add some depth later in the draft and I can see Joe Anderson being on the team over Weems next year.

If they can't restructure some contracts they may have to go OL/OL in the draft. The new cap situation (from us couch GMs standpoint) is throwing a wrench into things as far as the OL goes.

Absolutely, like I've said from day 1 Forte is gonna have a monster year next year. The writing was on the wall from that aspect. TE play as we all know now will be huge as well, IMO making another WR not as big a need as many of you think.

Since he hasn't been tagged yet... Dan Pompei on if the Bears will take a look at Cook Even if he doesn't get tagged he'll be making to much for the Bears to offer IMO.

Biggs responded to me and the 10.5 does include the 3.2 leftover money....Ouch...Emery has some work to do.

I should have clarified. The Vols D was terrible. Like you mentioned.

I wonder if that just doesn't include the 3M that carries over or whatever. I still thought the 3M would turn into giving us 16M so who knows. Another nugget worth noting out of the Trib article.... That's a pretty good chunk of change. Here's the whole article... http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/footb...0,6988743.story