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Lewan and Matthews deciding to stay in school really threw a wrench into the draft a LT decision for me...With them gone the LT crop dried up. Had they both stayed in the draft I THINK I would have been game to draft a LT in the draft. Like I keep saying though, now past Joeckel and Fisher you don't have that immediate impact player at LT.

I'm not sure Phil has said anything about it, I'm just saying that the site he uses for an unbiased opinion on his players says that Webb is an average player. While the analysis may be flawed it's what our GM uses so it is what I'll be using to back arguments. I still would like something better than "average" at LT which is why I'm still calling for a LT in FA if one of the 6 guys I listed becomes available.

Meh, he was the QB coach under Trestman in San Fran, probably just a trusted friend. Trestmans hands will be the only molding the clay.

Toliver looks like he can develop into something. I read that the best case for him in Detroit would be to get on the practice squad and learn from Johnson...Hopefully he's been/will be doing that here with Marshall. Like others have said Cribbs is a FA and I don't think anyone wants Hester anymore. I hope he's cut with the return duties given to Weems or that McCoy guy they drafted last year.

You can count me in on your wish to spend picks and money on the line...Just not both 1st and 2nd rounders and I want said money spent on a LT.

Well Jason, Phil Emery disagrees. He uses PFF to give him an unbiased look at his players and Webb got a 0.0 grade which is exactly average. Oh and when looking up how PFF grades I found this and bolded a statement above.

I understand what you 2 are saying but we're set up to win and win now. They have the money so why not use it on a position of "need"? As I said before, Joeckel and Fisher are the sure things in the 1st round left tackles. Fluker is a RT, Barrett Jones is an interior player, and Lane Johnson is raw and as another poster said might take 2 or 3 years to develop. By that time who knows what the defense looks like, and we potentially have a 31 year old Brandon Marshall, a 30 year old Matt Forte, and a 32 year old Jay Cutler. Like I said I get what you guys are saying but I believe our window is open right now and I see no need to wait for a LT to develop when we should have the money to address it in FA.

I'd rather not use a high pick on depth. I want our 1st and 2nd rounders to be starters right out of the box. If 54 is back I want a Eiffert or Ertz in the first and if hes not I want an Ogletree, Minter, or Te'o(in that order). and then a starting G/C in the 2nd. If they wanna pick up some depth in the 4th or beyond I'm game.

Well the good news is with the bunch i listed above they are all relatively young, Bushrod is the oldest at 28. They all should have a good 5 or 6 years left under their belt so barring any kind of severe injury you won't have to worry about LT for while. LT is the only position I'm calling for them to do this at because it's the most important position on the line. I've been calling for a LT in FA and a LG or C in the 2nd round all along and I'm gonna stick to that even if all those guys are resigned. J'marcus Webb, as much as people hate to believe it was actually an average player at LT and in a new system that won't put him out on an island 9 times outta 10 he may prove to be above average. So if those guys I listed are gone I'd even like to go with Webb over a rookie.

Ya I know, a sure thing would be nice though. Joeckel and Fisher are the only sure thing day 1 LTs out there I believe. Of the other potential 1st rounders Johnson is said to be raw, Fluker is said to be a RT, and Jones is said to be better suited inside. I'd just rather not have any doubt on our QBs blindside. The defense is not getting any younger, I wanna win now!

I don't think this has been posted yet but here's PFFs list of potential free agent offensive tackles and their PFF grade.. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/...ensive-tackles/ 6 of the guys with positive grades are LTs Ryan Clady +26.9 - With P. Manning there I can't see him going no where Will Beatty +22.4 - If New York can restructure some contracts he'll be back Branden Albert +13.8 -Chatter in KC is they may take Joeckel 1st and Albert doesn't wanna move to guard. Sam Baker +11.6 -Can't find anything King Dunlap +7.1 -Probably a goner Jermon Bushrod +1.5 -Probably a goner J'marcus Webbs grade?? 0.0...So looking through Emerys 4 eyes, those are the guys if wanna upgrade over Webb. Jake Long probably makes that list as well but due to injury he had a -0.4 grade. Bushrod despite having the lowest positive grade, which is due to a slow start because of injury, is the guy I want. He had a negative rating halfway through the season due to injury and finished off strong to give him a positive grade. The year before he gave a grand total of 2 sacks. I'd prefer a LT in free agency or honestly Webb again. I guess the past drafting of Williams and Carimi has scared me away from the draft.

There's a shocker. Wait a tick, I'm not seeing this...not that it matters though he'll be gone at some point

PFF ratings of TE drop rate would have had Davis at #1 but...

Soooo Brody Eldridge, who played Guard, Center and TE at OK. Here's a video of Bob Stoops talking about Brody(No game tape can be found)... http://newsok.com/multimedia/video/45603572001 Once again, I'm not saying he's any good, I'm saying his numbers would have gone up a little bit had he not been needed to help out the piss poor line. I'm not saying those numbers would be good or worthy of staying around I'm just saying they wouldn't be as pitiful.

Ya there's no question a replacement is needed...Whether that's Evan Rodriguez or not is up to the FO. I think he deserves a chance, but if they wanna use him as an H-back and grab another TE I'm game with that too. As far as replacing Spaeth, give me some Brody Eldridge, I've never seen him play and there's no youtube videos on him but I'm loving what I read in the scouting reports.

I'm just saying it added to it...not calling for him to be around next year at all....He would of added to his drops but also added to his numbers

The OL had a lot to do with them not being productive, they had to stay in and help most of the time.

Assuming 54 is gone and the sign a LT my list would be.... 1. Jarvis Jones (obviously gonna be gone but hey who knows right?) 2. Ogletree 3. Eiffert 4. Warmack 5. Cooper 6. Ertz

I really have no worries for him as I think behind a good line he will excel but if for whatever reason it'd be nice to get a backup in here this year that's potentially waiting in the wings. Not a veteran rehash like Jason Campbell but someone who can still develop under Trestman.

His contract is up after this coming up year correct?

Hurray now we get a bunch of Ray Lewis BS forced down our throat. Hate that asshole. Go Niners

Well at the very least developing one would be nice.

Ya got me there. With the talk of using some pistol offense who would you guys like to see as the backup??? You guys don't one Klein or Tebow...What dual threat QB with a good arm is gonna be available??

Also to get technical...it wasn't 2 days...it was 7 or 8...Here's what Marc had to say.

Alright so we're looking at 15-18 mill for our guys and FA then correct?