The sky is not falling

[Chitownhustla]

I have bad mouthed Trent Dilfer for many years due to his Jay Cutler hate. Well pigs must be flying or I just hear Trent praise Jay Cutler.

 

Trent raved about the new Jay- said if you watch the game film he is doing the right things, reading Defenses, mechanics etc etc

 

 

Puts him right on the fringe of the Manning, Rodger, Breese and Brady level of QB's. Trent explained why for many years he was critical of Jay and why he is now on the Jay bandwagon

 

Said his mechanics are great now. that he has bought into the process of being a great one/ team leader (from talking to guys that have worked with him since Trest showed up) and that he would take Jay any day if he was a head coach.

 

 

Only small thing Jay and Company have to figure out is passing on the edge when they see zone coverages but he did say Jay was great over the middle when seeing zone this past weekend

 

 

Said Jay was great this sunday other then the one pick that Matthews got. The other one was prolly BM fault for running the wrong route.

 

 

Trent is still picking the Bears to win the NFC North.

 

So I guess things are not as bad I thought after the GB game! lol

 

 

 

 

[Alaskan Grizzly]

I have bad mouthed Trent Dilfer for many years due to his Jay Cutler hate. Well pigs must be flying or I just hear Trent praise Jay Cutler.

 

Trent raved about the new Jay- said if you watch the game film he is doing the right things, reading Defenses, mechanics etc etc

 

 

Puts him right on the fringe of the Manning, Rodger, Breese and Brady level of QB's. Trent explained why for many years he was critical of Jay and why he is now on the Jay bandwagon

 

Said his mechanics are great now. that he has bought into the process of being a great one/ team leader (from talking to guys that have worked with him since Trest showed up) and that he would take Jay any day if he was a head coach.

 

 

Only small thing Jay and Company have to figure out is passing on the edge when they see zone coverages but he did say Jay was great over the middle when seeing zone this past weekend

 

 

Said Jay was great this sunday other then the one pick that Matthews got. The other one was prolly BM fault for running the wrong route.

 

 

Trent is still picking the Bears to win the NFC North.

 

So I guess things are not as bad I thought after the GB game! lol

 

I'll agree in the leadership role. I think he has improved in that category. From what I've heard, what Dilfer says is pretty accurate in that regard.

 

But his mechanics? Improved? Really? Greg Cosselle, son of Howard, observed this.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/shutdown-cor...-211010180.html

[adam]

I have bad mouthed Trent Dilfer for many years due to his Jay Cutler hate. Well pigs must be flying or I just hear Trent praise Jay Cutler.

 

Trent raved about the new Jay- said if you watch the game film he is doing the right things, reading Defenses, mechanics etc etc

 

 

Puts him right on the fringe of the Manning, Rodger, Breese and Brady level of QB's. Trent explained why for many years he was critical of Jay and why he is now on the Jay bandwagon

 

Said his mechanics are great now. that he has bought into the process of being a great one/ team leader (from talking to guys that have worked with him since Trest showed up) and that he would take Jay any day if he was a head coach.

 

 

Only small thing Jay and Company have to figure out is passing on the edge when they see zone coverages but he did say Jay was great over the middle when seeing zone this past weekend

 

 

Said Jay was great this sunday other then the one pick that Matthews got. The other one was prolly BM fault for running the wrong route.

 

 

Trent is still picking the Bears to win the NFC North.

 

So I guess things are not as bad I thought after the GB game! lol

 

On the 1st INT, it was a run play, but they had a 3-Deep look and based on the film, they never jumped those routes, so it played into their favor for that specific route. The risk of jumping it is a double move leaves it wide open for a huge play with no Safety over the top. They jumped it, the ball bounced 10 yards backwards into the air. The second one was a called 18 yard hook/curl, Marshall thought they wanted him to run a curl and go. He went, the ball didn't.

 

Now for the Bennett non-TD, I looked at this from every angle, here is the best one showing the plane in yellow. I have the white lines on the inside of Bennett's feet and you can clearly see the ball extended directly towards the endzone. Half the ball is in the white (past the yellow line). This is not an angles trick, I could clearly see it in the video and this is not even the perfect stop point (as a split second earlier he is completely outstretched:

 

[madlithuanian]

And seriously...why are there not cameras on both sidelines?

 

The NFL can do much better...

 

On the 1st INT, it was a run play, but they had a 3-Deep look and based on the film, they never jumped those routes, so it played into their favor for that specific route. The risk of jumping it is a double move leaves it wide open for a huge play with no Safety over the top. They jumped it, the ball bounced 10 yards backwards into the air. The second one was a called 18 yard hook/curl, Marshall thought they wanted him to run a curl and go. He went, the ball didn't.

 

Now for the Bennett non-TD, I looked at this from every angle, here is the best one showing the plane in yellow. I have the white lines on the inside of Bennett's feet and you can clearly see the ball extended directly towards the endzone. Half the ball is in the white (past the yellow line). This is not an angles trick, I could clearly see it in the video and this is not even the perfect stop point (as a split second earlier he is completely outstretched:

 

 

[scs787]

And seriously...why are there not cameras on both sidelines?

 

The NFL can do much better...

 

 

Seriously, soccer has sensors on their damn goals or something like that. Make that happen NFL.

[adam]

They just need cameras at the goal line high up on the stadiums where they look down and are not blocked at ground level. I don't know if we ever want to get to sensors and RFID tags.

[madlithuanian]

Exactly! Look at hockey. They have it too.

 

Seriously, soccer has sensors on their damn goals or something like that. Make that happen NFL.

 

[AZ54]

I'll agree in the leadership role. I think he has improved in that category. From what I've heard, what Dilfer says is pretty accurate in that regard.

 

But his mechanics? Improved? Really? Greg Cosselle, son of Howard, observed this.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/shutdown-cor...-211010180.html

 

That guy is an idiot. At the beginning he hammers Cutler for the mis-read to Bennett then later in the same article he says Jay needs to stop waiting to see that guys are open and trust the timing of the throws. I don't know who was right or wrong on that route but to anyone watching the game it was blatantly obvious that if Bennett hooks up the route he's wide open. It's even obvious in the 3rd screenshot he puts in the article, yet Cossell says he had no clarity in the coverage.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

They just need cameras at the goal line high up on the stadiums where they look down and are not blocked at ground level. I don't know if we ever want to get to sensors and RFID tags.

 

I recently heard the players are wearing RFID tags which show speed and position for coaching purposes. It would be interesting to see results during parts of the game as in speed acceleration on a player breaking away on a TD.

 

 

[Guest TerraTor]

Not really sure any of this matters because the defense is a joke

[DABEARSDABOMB]

I've been saying it since last year, this is a different Cutler and we are seeing him grow. I hope Dilfer is right and he can be top 5, but I have no doubt he's top 10 and will have a very good season. He's been good in every game. Hasn't been great yet, had moments of great, but those have been washed by moments of bad. 2 of his 4 picks have been on his teammates not being where they should be (Bennett / Marshall).

[Alaskan Grizzly]

That guy is an idiot. At the beginning he hammers Cutler for the mis-read to Bennett then later in the same article he says Jay needs to stop waiting to see that guys are open and trust the timing of the throws. I don't know who was right or wrong on that route but to anyone watching the game it was blatantly obvious that if Bennett hooks up the route he's wide open. It's even obvious in the 3rd screenshot he puts in the article, yet Cossell says he had no clarity in the coverage.

 

I think you misunderstood what Cosell was saying. He said Cutler is a "see it throw it" type of QB and that Trestman is working with him on being a better pocket passer. An element of that being able to "trust" the timing of the play. Whether Bennett ran the wrong route or Cutler "trusted" the timing, he should have been able to see the other alternatives (or progressions) on this particular play.

 

Looking at the screen shots and others from that play it's very clear that of the three receivers on that side of the field; Bennett, Marshall and Jeffery, Bennett was the last one he should have thrown to. Looking at the photo, Graham was pretty committed to coverage on Bennett from the outset. And he had safety help on the back end...on that same area of coverage. Even if Bennett had hooked in, at best he would have gotten a minimal gain because of that coverage. Of course assuming that Bennett would have even caught it. Look at Marshall and his positioning. No one to the high and right. Perfect position for a fade or jet type of throw or outside shoulder along the sidelines. If thrown poorly ( not including under thrown) the worst that would happen is that it would go out of bounds. Perhaps the third progression (or check down) would have been AJ standing all alone in the flat. If thrown to him he probably could have easily gotten as far as Bennett would have IF he had done the hook.

 

The first time I saw this play I thought it was initially called to be a WR bubble screen with AJ catching it and BM and Bennett blocking. But what appears to have happened is Cutler saw something that made him call an audible that involved one or both of the double receivers to run a fly pattern. Maybe Bennett was supposed to hook but again the coverage favored his route so progression 2 and 3 should have been looked at.

 

What Cossell said about Cutler being a "see it throw it" type QB is actually pretty accurate. He reverted to his old habits late in the GB game and it turned out to be a pretty shoddy showing. His history as a bad red zone QB proves that since a lot of his INTs have come from there. Because he believes, as a "gunslinger", he can force it into tight coverage. If he learned anything, he would know that if there is tight coverage ( or double or triple) that means someone, somewhere else is open. If not, out of bounds is always an option.

[scs787]

The Bears are currently 2nd in red zone conversions this year at 71%. Last year they were 7th. So I wouldn't say he's been that bad in the red zone the last 2 years.

 

As per the play in the Cossell article, there's no way you can tell who Graham was on. In picture 2 he was smack dab in the middle of the 2. The of course in picture 3 you see him favor Bennett because that's who the ball was thrown to. Based on the spacing of Marshall and Bennett, it's very likely that one was supposed break into the soft spot of the zone or curl back in. I really doubt they were both running a go route, esp. the TE. What he did on that play was quite the opposite of "see it throw it".

[Alaskan Grizzly]

The Bears are currently 2nd in red zone conversions this year at 71%. Last year they were 7th. So I wouldn't say he's been that bad in the red zone the last 2 years.

 

As per the play in the Cossell article, there's no way you can tell who Graham was on. In picture 2 he was smack dab in the middle of the 2. The of course in picture 3 you see him favor Bennett because that's who the ball was thrown to. Based on the spacing of Marshall and Bennett, it's very likely that one was supposed break into the soft spot of the zone or curl back in. I really doubt they were both running a go route, esp. the TE. What he did on that play was quite the opposite of "see it throw it".

 

Even if he (Graham) was in the middle he still had safety help on Bennett's side. Nothing on BM and or AJ. Plain and simple.

 

Historically, meaning most of his nine years (not two - actually 1.4 years). And really he only played in 9-10 games last year so the "Bears" stats for red zone conversions were not Cutler's stats. If anyone they're Trestman stats.

[Alaskan Grizzly]

DP

[scs787]

Even if he (Graham) was in the middle he still had safety help on Bennett's side. Nothing on BM and or AJ. Plain and simple.

 

Historically, meaning most of his nine years (not two - actually 1.4 years). And really he only played in 9-10 games last year so the "Bears" stats for red zone conversions were not Cutler's stats. If anyone they're Trestman stats.

 

 

Yes but as you can see from the picture the safety was still 5 yards away from where the Bennett should have been. Had Bennett broke inside Graham would have been forced to stay with BM and again the safety would have been 5 yards off.

 

Jim Miller broke down the play and said the same thing me and AZ said. Bennett should have been wide open whereas BM would have at least been covered by Graham if the play unfolds like it should have.

 

As far as historically speaking, this thread is talking about how Trent Dilfer, who has always been a Jay hater, is saying he's been a different animal the last 2 years.

['TD']

Cutler was pressured and rushed his throw. Graham has his eyes on Cutler and breaks as soon as he Cutler throw it. When Bennett saw the pass, he tried to stop. But it was too late, Graham got the under thrown pass.

 

[scs787]

It was under thrown assuming Bennett was running the right route, the argument here is that he didn't run the right route.

[Mongo3451]

My only defense of Cutler here is that someone definately ran the wrong route. In no way should Marshall and Bennett be that close that far down the field. That being said, if Bennett ran the wrong route, it's on Bennett. If Marshall ran the wrong route, it's on Cutler. If Bennett was supposed to run a hook. That's a perfect pass. If Bennett was to run a seam route, he should have been lead more downfield and toward the middle.

 

 

 

[Chitownhustla]

I'll agree in the leadership role. I think he has improved in that category. From what I've heard, what Dilfer says is pretty accurate in that regard.

 

But his mechanics? Improved? Really? Greg Cosselle, son of Howard, observed this.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/shutdown-cor...-211010180.html

 

 

Who is Greg Cosell????? I know who his father was but no clue what his son does or what expertise he has either.

 

Trent was speaking on what he has seen from the first 4 games. It looks like the article your guy wrote is from one game. Either way no QB will have perfect mechanics every play of every game. Mechanics break down, Trent who ripped Cutler for many years about his bad mechanics raved about them the first 4 games of this year.

 

 

The big mechanic change with Cutler that he talked about was his feet being lined up with his eyes. Where ever his eyes are looking his feet at aligned with his eyes. Before Cutler would throw from all different positions because his arm is a rocket cannon, now his footwork is great and lined up correctly.

 

 

 

 

I know you love to hate Cutler, it sounded like Trent Dilfer loved to hate him too. Dilfer is now on the Cutler bandwagon. If Cutler has changed Dilfers view of him its only a matter of time that you change your view too!! lol

 

 

 

I hope Dilfer is right and Cutler keeps getting better and better!

 

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[DABEARSDABOMB]

My only defense of Cutler here is that someone definately ran the wrong route. In no way should Marshall and Bennett be that close that far down the field. That being said, if Bennett ran the wrong route, it's on Bennett. If Marshall ran the wrong route, it's on Cutler. If Bennett was supposed to run a hook. That's a perfect pass. If Bennett was to run a seam route, he should have been lead more downfield and toward the middle.

After that play, Bennett, immediately put his head down and he apologized for Jay about the bad route. Bennett was supposed to settle on that play, not keep going.

[Chitownhustla]

After that play, Bennett, immediately put his head down and he apologized for Jay about the bad route. Bennett was supposed to settle on that play, not keep going.

 

I agree DaBomb,

 

 

Im pretty sure is has been confirmed by everyone that Bennet should have ran a hook. How is this even being debated???

 

 

Had Bennet ran a hook he would have been in front of Graham. There is no way Graham gets around Bennett's big ass.

[Mongo3451]

After that play, Bennett, immediately put his head down and he apologized for Jay about the bad route. Bennett was supposed to settle on that play, not keep going.

Thanks

 

['TD']

I agree DaBomb,

 

 

Im pretty sure is has been confirmed by everyone that Bennet should have ran a hook. How is this even being debated???

 

 

Had Bennet ran a hook he would have been in front of Graham. There is no way Graham gets around Bennett's big ass.

Who is everyone? Cutler said after the game he has to put it in front of Bennett more. Graham said he saw Cutler staring down Bennett, had seen the play in practice, and made the play.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Who is everyone? Cutler said after the game he has to put it in front of Bennett more. Graham said he saw Cutler staring down Bennett, had seen the play in practice, and made the play.

If you notice, Jay has not publicly blamed anyone but himself in regards to throws this year. He's been a much more mature player and it really started last year after he had his child. He's doing what you want QB's to do, he still takes responsibility, regardless of the situation. In the case of Marshall, which was even more evident, he just said miscommunication and didn't put blame on Marshall or say it was his fault, just that he had to work in practice or something along those lines and get better and fix those types of issues.