Guest TerraTor Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Brings everyone around him down with negativity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 The offense has regressed since McCown signed with Tampa. I'm not saying but I'm just saying. We were much better with him at quarterback. This team can't eclipse 30 points with the talent they have right now. Embarrassing. This has 5-11 and a coaching change at the end of the season written all over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 and Orton leads a game winning drive, woo hoo, he helped up by beating Detroit, at least a QB that was on the Bears beat them for us. Just as good as a win for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I'm growing sour on Jay, but still don't think McCown would have been the right choice either. Growing sour, but still "Have faith". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I'm growing sour on Jay, but still don't think McCown would have been the right choice either. Growing sour, but still "Have faith". I don't think McCown would have gotten this team to the playoffs, but he'd certainly have come a lot cheaper than Jay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I don't think McCown would have gotten this team to the playoffs, but he'd certainly have come a lot cheaper than Jay. Yeah, definitely something to consider. We could've signed a top flight Safety and at this point: Cutler This was the last game for me in regards to Cutler. He had his chance, all the receivers were healthy, he had the ball in his hands, at the end of the game, and he didn't make any plays. That throw to Holmes essentially defines his entire time with the Bears. There are at least 20 QBs, maybe more, that are doing more with less every week. It is not a new system and majority of the players should be clicking on all cylinders at Week 5. This season has 6-10 written all over it. We had 3 punts, 1 FG, 1 INT, and 2 fumbles in the 2nd half. That is sickening for this many "playmakers" on the team. Maybe Marshall should skip the Inside the NFL gig and figure out how to get open because he has sucked all year except for 1 game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I don't think McCown would have gotten this team to the playoffs, but he'd certainly have come a lot cheaper than Jay. That's about the only upside. Jay is still capable of getting a good streak of "Jeckyl" at the right time and putting the Bears where they need to be. But ya, I'm certainly starting to sour on him and Trestman both. While I mention Trestman, I really disliked the play calling today. Seemed like most everything was in the middle of the field where they got a fella by the named of Luke Kuechly who is one of the best players in the game. Almost to a point where I thought they were trying to test him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 That's about the only upside. Jay is still capable of getting a good streak of "Jeckyl" at the right time and putting the Bears where they need to be. But ya, I'm certainly starting to sour on him and Trestman both. While I mention Trestman, I really disliked the play calling today. Seemed like most everything was in the middle of the field where they got a fella by the named of Luke Kuechly who is one of the best players in the game. Almost to a point where I thought they were trying to test him. I am almost done with Trestman too, I will give him to the bye to right the ship. 5-3 or he is done. Lack of adjustments, our offense doesn't have the opponent's defense on their heels. Hard to believe with all the star players we have on the team. How can you fail with all those toys. Maybe he wants a 12 player on the field. Playoffs or bust for me. I've seen enough, especially if we end up with a losing record. He only stays if we make the playoffs. Otherwise, bring in someone who is going to hold everyone accountable and get the most out of them. Can I get a 53 roster of Fullers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I think you'll have to wait another year before Trestman gets the axe. Emery loves the guy. It would take a complete collapse, similar to the Houston Texans last year losing 14 straight for him to be fired, IMO. I also think that if you fire Trestman, Cutler almost HAS to go with him. That would be a difficult thing to do considering his price tag. I'm all for going after Harbaugh once he is inevitably fired, though I don't think he has any interest in moving away from the Bay area unless he goes to Michigan. If the Bears are somehow looking for a coach at the end of the year, Kevin Sumlin is a guy that would be high on my radar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'TD' Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I am fine with Trestman, we have seen what his offense can do with a QB that can run it right. I really did like the design on the screen to Jeffery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I am fine with Trestman, we have seen what his offense can do with a QB that can run it right. I really did like the design on the screen to Jeffery. He has his moments but they're just that, moments. We have seen what his offense can do against bad defenses. I still don't think it had anything to do with "A QB that can run it right". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'TD' Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 He has his moments but they're just that, moments. We have seen what his offense can do against bad defenses. I still don't think it had anything to do with "A QB that can run it right". I disagree, but speaking of defenses... the kicker, Robbie Gould, is making more this year than the each of the DTs, each of the LBs outside of Briggs, and each of the safeties. Each area were major weaknesses in the Bears D last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Sadly, I think you may be right. Currently, it looks like the worst fear about taking Cutler long term is playing out. Many were hoping he'd turn the corner. It appears he's making a U-turn... I don't think McCown would have gotten this team to the playoffs, but he'd certainly have come a lot cheaper than Jay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Yes, the lustre is starting to wear off. All this offensive talent and so little to show for it. The buck stops at the top. I think if we go under .500, Emery would have enough to move on from Trestman. Or he risks his own career. That's about the only upside. Jay is still capable of getting a good streak of "Jeckyl" at the right time and putting the Bears where they need to be. But ya, I'm certainly starting to sour on him and Trestman both. While I mention Trestman, I really disliked the play calling today. Seemed like most everything was in the middle of the field where they got a fella by the named of Luke Kuechly who is one of the best players in the game. Almost to a point where I thought they were trying to test him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 I'm not saying we should or that it will happen, but I could see a scenario where Cutler is traded to the Raiders and Gruden takes them over. I think you'll have to wait another year before Trestman gets the axe. Emery loves the guy. It would take a complete collapse, similar to the Houston Texans last year losing 14 straight for him to be fired, IMO. I also think that if you fire Trestman, Cutler almost HAS to go with him. That would be a difficult thing to do considering his price tag. I'm all for going after Harbaugh once he is inevitably fired, though I don't think he has any interest in moving away from the Bay area unless he goes to Michigan. If the Bears are somehow looking for a coach at the end of the year, Kevin Sumlin is a guy that would be high on my radar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 The Cutler extension might go down as the biggest mistake of the Phil Emery era. One other that comes to mind right away was taking Shea McClellin over Chandler Jones. I gave up on Cutler two years ago after the Houston Texans game in the rain when he threw a game altering interception late in the 4th quarter. From that moment on, I knew he would always be the same inconsistent player that will cripple you when you can least afford it. All that gobbledygook about him maturing because of his children on and off the field was a farce. The Bears can make the playoffs with Cutler as the quarterback, but the idea that he could carry an offense to the promise land with only a below average defense is no longer applicable. Yet, that's what the Bears are paying him to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Those of us holding out for hope are now grasping at strings... Sadly, I think you, Alaska, and others might be correct about Cutler. He does have 11 more games to show us otherwise. But, personally, I am no longer thinking it to be probable. Still possible, but not probable. If these last 5 ganes are what we will always get out of Cutler, it will have been a mistake. Too much money tied up into a see-saw 8-8 guy ranging from potential all-star to also-ran journeyman. The Cutler extension might go down as the biggest mistake of the Phil Emery era. One other that comes to mind right away was taking Shea McClellin over Chandler Jones. I gave up on Cutler two years ago after the Houston Texans game in the rain when he threw a game altering interception late in the game. From that moment on, I knew he would always be the same inconsistent player that will cripple you when you can least afford it. All that gobbledygook about him maturing because of his children on and off the field was a farce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Sans the costly INTs he's still been pretty solid... Yards- 7th Competition %- 5th TDs- 2nd Passer rating- 11 So I can't say he's been total trash. The INTs have indeed been costly though. But he's currently leading the league in INTs as well....Interestingly enough, he's tied with the likes of Drew Brees, Andrew Luck, and Matt Ryan, all guys who are perceived as good QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'TD' Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Sans the costly INTs he's still been pretty solid... Yards- 7th Competition %- 5th TDs- 2nd Passer rating- 11 So I can't say he's been total trash. The INTs have indeed been costly though. But he's currently leading the league in INTs as well....Interestingly enough, he's tied with the likes of Drew Brees, Andrew Luck, and Matt Ryan, all guys who are perceived as good QBs. It's mostly because of screens and check downs that has his numbers looking good. Going into today's game, he completed around 40% of his passes thrown for over 10 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 His numbers are great for fantasy. The end results, not so good in reality. Sans the costly INTs he's still been pretty solid... Yards- 7th Competition %- 5th TDs- 2nd Passer rating- 11 So I can't say he's been total trash. The INTs have indeed been costly though. But he's currently leading the league in INTs as well....Interestingly enough, he's tied with the likes of Drew Brees, Andrew Luck, and Matt Ryan, all guys who are perceived as good QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 It's mostly because of screens and check downs that has his numbers looking good. Going into today's game, he completed around 40% of his passes thrown for over 10 yards. Just looked it up, that's somewhat surprising....But then again our deep threats have been banged up most of this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Those of us holding out for hope are now grasping at strings... Sadly, I think you, Alaska, and others might be correct about Cutler. He does have 11 more games to show us otherwise. But, personally, I am no longer thinking it to be probable. Still possible, but not probable. If these last 5 ganes are what we will always get out of Cutler, it will have been a mistake. Too much money tied up into a see-saw 8-8 guy ranging from potential all-star to also-ran journeyman. Believe me when I say I really still hope he somehow is able to pull it out. I've heard many times the comparisons to Romo and Cutler (pretty average for lots of money). Romo is starting to show his worth, if only a little . Can Cutler too? I would like to think so. Not a lot of faith but I'll still pull for him while he's the starter. On that note; you think Lovie'd be willing to trade for McCown and a 1st or second round pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 I am almost done with Trestman too, I will give him to the bye to right the ship. 5-3 or he is done. Lack of adjustments, our offense doesn't have the opponent's defense on their heels. Hard to believe with all the star players we have on the team. How can you fail with all those toys. Maybe he wants a 12 player on the field. Playoffs or bust for me. I've seen enough, especially if we end up with a losing record. He only stays if we make the playoffs. Otherwise, bring in someone who is going to hold everyone accountable and get the most out of them. Can I get a 53 roster of Fullers? I think Trestman deserves at least one more year. He and Emery need to do a "no shit" honest analysis of Cutler and decide if they can continue with him after this year. Bad thing about losing Cutler probably means a lot of re-building on offense. So goes Cutler so too will Marshall, and maybe even Jeffery etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Cutler is not going anywhere. It is not possible for 3 years. Cutler would have to agree to tear up his contract to be traded also. They cut him, it costs the 50 million? Not happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Not having a stretch the field guy is hurting this offense. Over the long haul, those lack of explosive plays will slowly cripple you. The Bears are getting none of that lately because teams are forcing them to play the dink and dunk game. It's like playing an NBA game without any reliable 3 point shooters. You can score without them, but it's not going to be as easy, and overall, your offense isn't going to be as difficult to defend. They better hope Marquess Wilson can do some of that when he comes back-- that is if their season isn't already over by that point. He can't play until week 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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