Chitownhustla Posted October 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 I'm 50 in December. Cutler is by far the best QB the Bears have had in my lifetime. I liked Jimmy Mac a lot better and was probably more enthusiastic about the club when Kramer and Miller were QB'ing them, but on all measurables, Cutler is better. For some reason, some of the "haters" here expect perfection because he's paid well. Foolishness. But that's just my opinion, although it's backed up by the numbers, facts, etc. Most don't want to take into account the constantly changing offenses during most of Cutler's career here, under a defensive minded coach, with no O Line talent, and a GM who absolutely SUCKED at picking offensive players. They're entitled to their flawed opinions too. Lovie and Angelo lost there jobs because they could get the O right. Angelo traded for a QB and then put nothing around him to even have a chance. The oline was HORRENDOUS, then put Martz 18 step drop play calling and Cutler was the most sacked QB in the NFL. Anyone remember the 8 or 9 sack first half against the New York Giants??? Until last year the Bear O as a unit was not very good. With the upgrade to the Oline and with Forte, BM, Alshon and Bennett the O on paper is a top talent O. Already said this Cutler doesn't put up GREAT numbers this year then I say he isn't what I had hoped. Cutler should not be the reason we lost games this year, it should be on the Special Teams and Defense. Cutler and the O should be the reason we win a lot of games this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chitownhustla Posted October 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 A f'n men! Damn, I get tired of the bashing when we lose. We have 31 other teams with professional athletes trying to beat us every week and there fans are saying the same thing. Trust this; Jay Cutler is twice the football player and man that Jeff George is. George is undoubtedly the biggest gutless pussy I've ever seen put on a uniform. They should never be spoken in the same breath again. Agreed 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Cutler has been to the Playoffs one time in 5 years. He is 1-9 against the Packers. Been given everything he has asked for. There's not another QB given the chance he has had. Whether it coordinator changes, best buddy QB coaches brought in, spending twice as much on O than D, whatever. Team game, THE BEARS have been to the Playoffs 1 time in 5 years. THE BEARS are 1-9 against the Packers. You forget the league high sacks and shit OC the Bears and Cutler dealt with while Lovie was here. NO ONE would come to be the OC here, had to settle for MARTZ, we all saw how great that was. Cutler had his brains beat in. I said then, Ill say it now, Peyton, Drew and Tom wouldn't have done any better with the OLine and WR's Cutler had back then. Oh and then Martz gets fired and they hire TICE, great idea! I have been a Cutler backer this hole time. I have gone on record that since Trestman and Emery came to town Cutler has everything he needs to be great. He has weapons, and Oline and great OC. If he doesn't produce GREAT numbers not GOOD but great then Ill say I was wrong. Last year we saw improvements in Cutler's numbers, then he got hurt. That really sucked but it is what it is. This year, its Cutler 2nd year in the same system with the same weapons and oline. IF he doesn't put on a show this year, there are no more excuses. When I said Orton, he really just started growing. He had a better year for the Broncos the year after the trade, Cutler had the most turnovers in the nfl. They branched off since then, considering the opportunities given to them. I never was a fan of Orton. Glad he was traded, he got his shot in Denver and has been a back up ever since. Now he has the starting spot over EJ Manuel, big deal. Even his own college coach said he wouldn't be a good NFL QB. Kramer lead a good O. It's really hard to judge stats now vs the past, due to all the rule changes they have. Numbers are bloated over all this year, due to the new rules, and the last few years they have added rules that changed things. I do give Cutler more credit for checking down this year more often than forcing it. But I feel it is more of a stare a guy the initial receiver he's not open, time to check down thing.Compared to Cutler working through progressions, and then settling for the check down Forte. What do you think GOING THROUGH YOUR PROGESSIONS means????? Play is called, Read the D pre-snap, Hike the Ball, every play has a 1st option, 2nd option and so on. What you described is exactly what working through progressions means. Good post... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 I will always back up Jimmy Mac. He didn't have amazing numbers, but he had the will to win. Something we haven't quite seen from Cutler. Yet. Yet... But besides Jimmy for his intangibles (and if he hadn't been cheap shotted by that bastard Packer, his numbers may have ended up amazing), Cutler is easily the best QB we'd had. Agreed on Kramer and Miller. Really good, but not as good as Cutler. Orton and McCown aren't even in the conversation. I'm 50 in December. Cutler is by far the best QB the Bears have had in my lifetime. I liked Jimmy Mac a lot better and was probably more enthusiastic about the club when Kramer and Miller were QB'ing them, but on all measurables, Cutler is better. For some reason, some of the "haters" here expect perfection because he's paid well. Foolishness. But that's just my opinion, although it's backed up by the numbers, facts, etc. Most don't want to take into account the constantly changing offenses during most of Cutler's career here, under a defensive minded coach, with no O Line talent, and a GM who absolutely SUCKED at picking offensive players. They're entitled to their flawed opinions too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 A f'n men! Damn, I get tired of the bashing when we lose. We have 31 other teams with professional athletes trying to beat us every week and there fans are saying the same thing. Trust this; Jay Cutler is twice the football player and man that Jeff George is. George is undoubtedly the biggest gutless pussy I've ever seen put on a uniform. They should never be spoken in the same breath again. In terms of skill (to this point); Jay Cutler = Jeff George. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'TD' Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 What do you think GOING THROUGH YOUR PROGESSIONS means????? Play is called, Read the D pre-snap, Hike the Ball, every play has a 1st option, 2nd option and so on. What you described is exactly what working through progressions means. Staring at one guy, waiting to see him open, then dumping it off to Forte is not going through progressions to me. That is one single progression. Forte can't be the 2nd option on as many plays that he catches it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killakrzydav Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Absolutely CrackerDog Most of these posters emotions regarding our team vacillate from extreme highs to unheard of lows. Its like you all bleed from between your legs every other weeks 16 Sundays a year. Get a fricken grip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killakrzydav Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 For some reason I can't get the quote link to work. Either way, thanks for pulling those stats together. Cutler is by far, by the numbers, the best QB the bears have had in essentially forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killakrzydav Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 As far as the Jeff George comparison Alaskan...stop letting ESPN cloud your judgement. Yet semantically, you state he is on the same skill level as George which is a lazy comparison. Skill wise George likely was superior to Jay. George was a cancer who constantly got in fights with coaches and even went so far as being directly insubordinate to his coaches play calling by ignoring the called play and running his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 This year, his numbers may say he is top 10. By that argument, McCown would be a top 3 QB in the league his 6 games last year. Brady with this talent would rival Manning in Denver. Brady doesn't have the talent, so he probably isn't in the top 10 in stats. I am just talking over all, top 10 talent at his position. Brady Manning Brees Luck Rodgers Ryan Rivers Wilson Foles Roethlisberger Stafford Flacco (Super Bowl) Eli (Super BowlS) Newton Palmer There, randomly, are 15 QB's that I think are better before getting into debatable ones like RG3, Dalton, Davis, Kap, and Cousins and so on. Edit: I forgot Romo that is better than a few of the guys on that list There are a lot of guys on that list that aren't near as good as Jay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 I'm 50 in December. Cutler is by far the best QB the Bears have had in my lifetime. I liked Jimmy Mac a lot better and was probably more enthusiastic about the club when Kramer and Miller were QB'ing them, but on all measurables, Cutler is better. For some reason, some of the "haters" here expect perfection because he's paid well. Foolishness. But that's just my opinion, although it's backed up by the numbers, facts, etc. Most don't want to take into account the constantly changing offenses during most of Cutler's career here, under a defensive minded coach, with no O Line talent, and a GM who absolutely SUCKED at picking offensive players. They're entitled to their flawed opinions too. Congratulations on your looming milestone. All that makes you is crotchety and your opinion even more crotchety. Especially when you discount differing opinions by calling the authors "females or Midol takers". At some point in recent history both Rodgers and Cutler were being sacked at alarming rates. In fact at one point Rodgers was having it happen to him more than was Cutler. Yet he (Rodgers) continued to win. You and some of your ilk would rather offer excuses for Cutler's sustained sub-par performance. At some point I was a believer and willing to accept these excuses, but started to see what others did, that Cutler is flawed. One thing Cutler has not done in his time since being with the Bears is complete a season since 2009. Not even last year with the first of Trestman. He did, however manage to help in the overall 'winning season' for years 2010 (10-5), 2011 (7-3), and 2012 (10-5) - all of which were during Lovie's tenure by the way. But despite this hasn't been able to win, let alone finish, a playoff game. Until that time I'll be a "hater" (I personally like doubter) and guess I'll pop the Midol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 As far as the Jeff George comparison Alaskan...stop letting ESPN cloud your judgement. Yet semantically, you state he is on the same skill level as George which is a lazy comparison. Skill wise George likely was superior to Jay. George was a cancer who constantly got in fights with coaches and even went so far as being directly insubordinate to his coaches play calling by ignoring the called play and running his own. Interesting. In one sentence you infer I'm "lazy" then in the very next sentence use the word "likely" to suggest George was better than Cutler. Where are your stats to dissuade me to think otherwise? ESPN didn't make the comparison, Brian Billick did. I just happen to agree with it. Here's another interesting nugget (article below) for you to digest. In it the article refers to the fallout that McDaniels and Cutler had, why was that again? And since the article didn't point it out and we're on the subject of "insubordination", what was it again that Cutler said to (at least about) Martz during that game three years ago? And the obvious diss Cutler displayed towards Tice during that game two years ago? http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2229466...herschel-walker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Staring at one guy, waiting to see him open, then dumping it off to Forte is not going through progressions to me. That is one single progression. Forte can't be the 2nd option on as many plays that he catches it. That makes him equal to Jason Campbell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackerDog Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Interesting. In one sentence you infer I'm "lazy" "Imply" All that makes you is crotchety and your opinion even more crotchety. Only everyone I know would agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackerDog Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Staring at one guy, waiting to see him open, then dumping it off to Forte is not going through progressions to me. That is one single progression. Forte can't be the 2nd option on as many plays that he catches it. Here is one area I sort of agree with you TD. But I'll tweak it a bit. I don't think Cutler generally stares down his receivers but he does tend to do so, obviously, with Marshall at times. And the result is often either a dump off to Forte or forcing it to his "guy". I think we've seen less of this the last few weeks and I'm sure I saw less of it this weekend. One game doesn't make a career, however, so he needs to improve there. He does seem to find his TE's nicely as alternates though too. And you're not giving him due credit there, IMO. The dump offs to Forte are, it seems, a critical part of this offense. Even the greatest QB ever, Josh McCown, threw the ball to Forte the same number of times a game as Cutler did last season, about an average of 5 receptions per game. So perhaps this criticism isn't totally fair either, even though I agree with you somewhat that there's got to be another available outlet sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chitownhustla Posted October 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Staring at one guy, waiting to see him open, then dumping it off to Forte is not going through progressions to me. That is one single progression. Forte can't be the 2nd option on as many plays that he catches it. If you think Cutler is only watching the 1st option and then throwing to Forte you are not watching the games. Bennett had about 10 receptions against the Packers. Cutler checked down a whole ten times and it didn't go to Forte, holy shit. Cutler has complete 156 passes. 46 of those have gone to Forte. Bennett has gotten 36. Of the 46 and 36 Im not sure how many were called plays that they were designed to go to them. Most of the TE catches would be 2nd or 3rd options. The one TD pass against Atlanta went to Morgan, not the first option or Forte. Teams are going to try to take BM and Alshon out of the games, if that means Bennett and Forte get the most catches then Im fine with it. If Cutler can limit the INT's I will be happy. The only issue that I have seen this season is the 3 stupid INT's. Buf, GB and Carolina each had 1 why the freak did you throw that ball INT's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chitownhustla Posted October 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 That makes him equal to Jason Campbell... If you think Cutler is = to Jason Campbell then there is no reason to debate Cutler with you ever again. Its pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 If you think Cutler is = to Jason Campbell then there is no reason to debate Cutler with you ever again. Its pointless. Ah come on, don't give up that easy. It was a 'tongue in cheek' reference to someone calling Campbell the check down king when he played for the Bears. And cost less I might add. What TD said and Cracker agreed to is something I have observed as well. Where in the past Jay would throw to what seemed anyone who was in the area, he has gotten better to appear to go through his progressions. He really had an issue with locking onto BM and hoping he would bail him out with some miraculous catch. Marshall even commented on this earlier this year saying he preferred Cutler throw it to him when he wasn't double/triple covered. At any rate, it wasn't until McCown was able distribute it more effectively in Trestman's offense did it appear Cutler realized he had a blue chip receiver in Jeffery. In fact after he returned to playing and this year he has been doing better at trying to get the ball to both BM and Jeffery. The WCO by its nature isn't really a large gaining offense, more a dink and dunk type. Cutler, by his nature, is not a dink and dunk QB so there had to be some re-tooling with his skillset and his hardwiring. At times he shows progress; last week and SF being prime examples. Where other times he shows regression; Green Bay, Carolina and Buffalo being the examples this year. And just as a side note, despite the fact the team won against the NYJ I didn't come away feeling they did all that great. No the blame was not all on Cutler, but he didn't help. Until the progress overshadows the regression I won't sign off as a believer again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackerDog Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 At any rate, it wasn't until McCown was able distribute it more effectively in Trestman's offense did it appear Cutler realized he had a blue chip receiver in Jeffery. Your memory is a bit faulty there. Alshon had one awesome game under McCown and a bunch that were, on average, much like the games he had under Cutler. He also had one awesome game while Cutler was QB and that happened earlier in the season before McCown took a snap. New Orleans, I believe. Yes, there were games where Alshon got only one catch under Cutler but that happens. Marshall has had a one catch game this year already. So Cutler didn't somehow "realize" Jeffery was a blue chipper after McCown showed him the light. Hell, I remember opening day of 2012 when Cutler hit Jeffery with a perfect TD pass of over 40 yards against Indy. I was there, in the opposite end zone and when Cutler let the ball go I said "Touchdown". It was a thing of beauty! More likely, I think, is that Trestman may have opened the offense up more and more while the season was progressing last year, his first. They needed to make sure the line was improving, design more plays where Alshon was the primary, etc. I'm not saying Jay didn't learn anything from McCown but I'd bet McCown probably learned a thing or two from Jay, as well. Unfortunately he didn't learn enough to be successful under Lovie Smith, it appears. Something Jay was able to do with a bit more aplomb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 Your memory is a bit faulty there. Alshon had one awesome game under McCown and a bunch that were, on average, much like the games he had under Cutler. He also had one awesome game while Cutler was QB and that happened earlier in the season before McCown took a snap. New Orleans, I believe. Yes, there were games where Alshon got only one catch under Cutler but that happens. Marshall has had a one catch game this year already. So Cutler didn't somehow "realize" Jeffery was a blue chipper after McCown showed him the light. Hell, I remember opening day of 2012 when Cutler hit Jeffery with a perfect TD pass of over 40 yards against Indy. I was there, in the opposite end zone and when Cutler let the ball go I said "Touchdown". It was a thing of beauty! More likely, I think, is that Trestman may have opened the offense up more and more while the season was progressing last year, his first. They needed to make sure the line was improving, design more plays where Alshon was the primary, etc. I'm not saying Jay didn't learn anything from McCown but I'd bet McCown probably learned a thing or two from Jay, as well. Unfortunately he didn't learn enough to be successful under Lovie Smith, it appears. Something Jay was able to do with a bit more aplomb. Nor is he learning much under Trestman. About those Midols? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 Nor is he learning much under Trestman. About those Midols? Ha! Next week Cutler will look great and it goes back and forth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Ha! Next week Cutler will look great and it goes back and forth. You think so? The only week he'll look good in the coming weeks is week 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 You think so? The only week he'll look good in the coming weeks is week 9. Well we will be on the road sooo.... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 You think so? The only week he'll look good in the coming weeks is week 9. Not really, just say'n. Only because that is how this has played out. He was called out by Marshall, so maybe they light it up next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackerDog Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Nor is he learning much under Trestman. About those Midols? I could probably use one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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