How can you justify not firing Trestman?

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Bears will likely finish season at 6-10 and pick in the top 10 (Projection based on us losing to Lions / Saints / Cowboys and beating Vikings). We started last year 3-0 and finished at 5-8. If we do end up finishing at 6-10, that means in the last 29 games, we would be 11-18, which would be good for a .379 winning percentage. If you look at his overall projected record (14-18) with a .437 winning percentage and a negative trend.

 

I have a hard time thinking, given how things went, that there will be a significant argument to keeping Trestman around. This is a unit that ranks as follows:

 

Offensive:

Points = 22nd

Yards = 20th

 

Defensive:

Points = 30th

Yards = 26th

 

Special Teams Ranking (Per ProFootball Outsiders):

31st (w/Detroit ranking 32nd and Detroit's negative ranking is due to their field goal kicking, which was historically bad for much of the season)

 

Our offensive trends are negative, defense is still bad (but is a unit showing improvement), special teams is horrendous but again, the big thing is our offense is bad and this is with our so-called Guru. You could point to injuries on the line and I would argue those are legitimate excuses, but to rank where we rank and to have not scored 30 at least once with this unit, unacceptable. To continue to be fooled by zone coverage and unable to adjust to it, to not take advantage of Cutler on the move (even though they talked about doing it more after the Vikings game, we still haven't seen it), it is just very perplexing. I really don't know an argument that could be made about keeping Trestman, except for the standard, you give coaches 3 years.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Speaking of the offense, below is a great quote out of Forte after the Lions game:

 

Was it too tough to run the ball against the Lions’ front four?

 

"I don’t know," Forte said. "Because we didn’t run it."

 

"The talent we have on the team, we’re definitely underachieving right now," Forte said. "Some guys got to do some soul-searching for the rest of the season to plan on how they’re going to play the rest of these games."

 

Re: Play calling, I really question our inability to adjust and it goes back to the points in the above post that I made, regarding the fact that our offense is on the decline after a hot first year. League got footage and we can't adjust / adapt at all.

 

Re: Talent. Curious who Forte is calling out and I am okay with him making a statement like that. Forte has been nothing but a pro his entire career with the Bears. He deserves to play for a winner and outside of our one NFC championship game, it hasn't happen.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

One other interesting stat:

 

This years Bears team is scoring less per game (21.4) then the Bears did with Mike Tice as the OC (23.4 PPG). That was with Alshon having not emerged / being hurt most of his rookie season. We also had no one who could play TE that year (remember Kellen Davis, LOL).

[madlithuanian]

Sold.

 

I think he should be fired as season's end. I knew it right after the GB game. I definitely knew it after NE...

 

 

 

Bears will likely finish season at 6-10 and pick in the top 10 (Projection based on us losing to Lions / Saints / Cowboys and beating Vikings). We started last year 3-0 and finished at 5-8. If we do end up finishing at 6-10, that means in the last 29 games, we would be 11-18, which would be good for a .379 winning percentage. If you look at his overall projected record (14-18) with a .437 winning percentage and a negative trend.

 

I have a hard time thinking, given how things went, that there will be a significant argument to keeping Trestman around. This is a unit that ranks as follows:

 

Offensive:

Points = 22nd

Yards = 20th

 

Defensive:

Points = 30th

Yards = 26th

 

Special Teams Ranking (Per ProFootball Outsiders):

31st (w/Detroit ranking 32nd and Detroit's negative ranking is due to their field goal kicking, which was historically bad for much of the season)

 

Our offensive trends are negative, defense is still bad (but is a unit showing improvement), special teams is horrendous but again, the big thing is our offense is bad and this is with our so-called Guru. You could point to injuries on the line and I would argue those are legitimate excuses, but to rank where we rank and to have not scored 30 at least once with this unit, unacceptable. To continue to be fooled by zone coverage and unable to adjust to it, to not take advantage of Cutler on the move (even though they talked about doing it more after the Vikings game, we still haven't seen it), it is just very perplexing. I really don't know an argument that could be made about keeping Trestman, except for the standard, you give coaches 3 years.

 

[Connorbear]

Trestman, Cutler and Emery are all tied together. If one goes, then all three should go. And I believe all three should go.

 

Peace

[Daventry]

Trestman, Cutler and Emery are all tied together. If one goes, then all three should go. And I believe all three should go.

 

Peace

 

 

Me too.

[scs787]

One other interesting stat:

 

This years Bears team is scoring less per game (21.4) then the Bears did with Mike Tice as the OC (23.4 PPG). That was with Alshon having not emerged / being hurt most of his rookie season. We also had no one who could play TE that year (remember Kellen Davis, LOL).

 

While I do agree that it's time for Trestman too go, I just wanted to nitpick here.

 

Bears scored 32 TDs on offense in 2012...So far, with 4 games to go they've scored 30.

 

That 2012 team had 9 defensive TDs, so far this year they've had 1.

[Chitownhustla]

It all really depends on what is going on in the locker room and Halas Hall.

 

 

 

Why is the offense so screwed up? Its clear they have talent.

 

The D does not have then talent the Offense has. I do think Tucker needs to be replaced if Trestman is not fired.

 

 

Is it Trestman or the players or is it Cutler???

 

 

If Trestman has lost the team then He needs to be fired at the end of this year.

 

If is Cutler, then what does that say about Emery and Trestman. Who made the decision to sign him long term and so much money up front?

 

Did Emery force Cutler on Trestman or was it Trestman saying Cutler is the guy????

 

I would really like to know who made the call on Cutler.

 

 

IF its Trestman and Emery fires him and the whole staff then it will be a wake up call to everyone that shit better change.

 

 

I could be on board with a couple of different options:

1. D and Special Teams coaches need to be fired.

 

Then here is where I could go a couple of different routes:

1A. Keep Trestman and cut Cutler= that is if the problem is Cutler

1B. Keep Trestman and keep Cutler if Emery and Upper management believe in Trestman and Cutler is not the problem

1C. Fire Trestman and keep Cutler- that is if Trestman has lost the team and Trestman is the reason the Bears suck this bad

1D. Fire Trestman and get rid of Cutler and start from scratch- This would mean Emery has failed miserably and he needs to go too. Connorbear mentioned this route above

 

 

I hope its not 1D, I really don't want to start a complete rebuild even tho that may be the route that needs to happen.

 

 

I think if they were to fire the staff keeping Cutler for one year may give the Bears a chance to make a quicker turn around. Cutler shows flashes of greatness. He just cant do it week in and week out.

 

Who knows maybe there is a coach that could get him to do it every week.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[madlithuanian]

You forgot to include Ted Phillips...at least as a head of football. He can stay as CFO or whatever...

 

In fact, if you added Marshall to the list, I wouldn't argue...

 

Trestman, Cutler and Emery are all tied together. If one goes, then all three should go. And I believe all three should go.

 

Peace

 

[madlithuanian]

Sorry to be so blunt, but we didn't win the trophy in 2012. So, it matters not.

 

This team simply does not pass the smell test. They smell rotten through and through no matter how many stats you throw up. IN fact, I threw up a little just thinking about this putrid excuse of a team...

 

 

 

While I do agree that it's time for Trestman too go, I just wanted to nitpick here.

 

Bears scored 32 TDs on offense in 2012...So far, with 4 games to go they've scored 30.

 

That 2012 team had 9 defensive TDs, so far this year they've had 1.

 

[madlithuanian]

I'm in for 1D. Blow it up.

 

I see either 1 or 1B happening. Ownership is gutless.

 

 

 

It all really depends on what is going on in the locker room and Halas Hall.

 

 

 

Why is the offense so screwed up? Its clear they have talent.

 

The D does not have then talent the Offense has. I do think Tucker needs to be replaced if Trestman is not fired.

 

 

Is it Trestman or the players or is it Cutler???

 

 

If Trestman has lost the team then He needs to be fired at the end of this year.

 

If is Cutler, then what does that say about Emery and Trestman. Who made the decision to sign him long term and so much money up front?

 

Did Emery force Cutler on Trestman or was it Trestman saying Cutler is the guy????

 

I would really like to know who made the call on Cutler.

 

 

IF its Trestman and Emery fires him and the whole staff then it will be a wake up call to everyone that shit better change.

 

 

I could be on board with a couple of different options:

1. D and Special Teams coaches need to be fired.

 

Then here is where I could go a couple of different routes:

1A. Keep Trestman and cut Cutler= that is if the problem is Cutler

1B. Keep Trestman and keep Cutler if Emery and Upper management believe in Trestman and Cutler is not the problem

1C. Fire Trestman and keep Cutler- that is if Trestman has lost the team and Trestman is the reason the Bears suck this bad

1D. Fire Trestman and get rid of Cutler and start from scratch- This would mean Emery has failed miserably and he needs to go too. Connorbear mentioned this route above

 

 

I hope its not 1D, I really don't want to start a complete rebuild even tho that may be the route that needs to happen.

 

 

I think if they were to fire the staff keeping Cutler for one year may give the Bears a chance to make a quicker turn around. Cutler shows flashes of greatness. He just cant do it week in and week out.

 

Who knows maybe there is a coach that could get him to do it every week.

 

[Chitownhustla]

You forgot to include Ted Phillips...at least as a head of football. He can stay as CFO or whatever...

 

In fact, if you added Marshall to the list, I wouldn't argue...

 

I would love to know if Ted Phillips is the guy in charge. Is he the one that hired Emery?

 

 

or does McCaskey have the final decision. If McCaskey is the top guy that makes all the final calls then what does it matter if they fire Ted.

 

 

The only reason to fire Ted is if McCaskey is giving up the control. If Ted is in control then they need to fire him. So the fire JA chants should have been fire Teddy chants a couple of years ago.

 

 

 

[CrackerDog]

I don't know if he should be fired or not. I'm certainly not satisfied with the team he AND EMERY have put together. This offense is pretty average and the ST's and D sucks. If I were in charge and money wasn't an object, I'd blow it up. Not sure the Bears will want to kill Trestman/Emery after just two seasons. Not sure how many years they have on their contracts and I know the Bears won't want to move (based on history) unless there's no more than one season they have to "eat".

[madlithuanian]

It is probably McCaskey. But if they get rid of Ted, there's at least a chance we could luck out into a real football mind. Or at least some admission of mediocrity by McCaskey...

 

McCaskey should give up control You can own without controlling. Hire someone to control...

 

I do think many here were lobbying hard for removing the 3 stooges... Smith, Angelo and Phillips. I know I was...

 

I would love to know if Ted Phillips is the guy in charge. Is he the one that hired Emery?

 

 

or does McCaskey have the final decision. If McCaskey is the top guy that makes all the final calls then what does it matter if they fire Ted.

 

 

The only reason to fire Ted is if McCaskey is giving up the control. If Ted is in control then they need to fire him. So the fire JA chants should have been fire Teddy chants a couple of years ago.

 

[madlithuanian]

Gotta know when to hold 'em, when to fold 'em...

 

This is a fold 'em time. This team looks lost...and those in charge are only so on paper it would appear.

 

The McCaskeys have so much money that no decision will impact their livelihood in any way. There is a greater chance that the embarrassment of being crappy is more detrimental. At least that's what one would hope...

 

I don't know if he should be fired or not. I'm certainly not satisfied with the team he AND EMERY have put together. This offense is pretty average and the ST's and D sucks. If I were in charge and money wasn't an object, I'd blow it up. Not sure the Bears will want to kill Trestman/Emery after just two seasons. Not sure how many years they have on their contracts and I know the Bears won't want to move (based on history) unless there's no more than one season they have to "eat".

 

[CrackerDog]

The McCaskeys have so much money that no decision will impact their livelihood in any way. There is a greater chance that the embarrassment of being crappy is more detrimental. At least that's what one would hope...

 

I think there's a better chance of them selling the team than fixing this one.

 

And there's very little chance they sell the team.

[madlithuanian]

That'd be like hitting green on the roulette wheel!

 

The only hope of a fix would be dumb luck.

 

Every now and then, despite idiots running things, sometimes greatness happens... Can't think of an example...but there has to be one somewhere! We gotta hold out some semblance of hope, don't we? I don't trust the people making the decisions. But I can hope they luck into the right decision...

 

I think there's a better chance of them selling the team than fixing this one.

 

And there's very little chance they sell the team.

 

[Mongo3451]

I don't trust the people making the decisions. But I can hope they luck into the right decision...

Problem is, nobody here knows who is making the decisions. The McCaskeys may be secretly calling the shots. IE: Fire JA, but keep Lovie. Fire Lovie, keep his D. Let McCown walk because we believe in Cutler. Owners all over the NFL do it. Why not our? And to what extent? They may want Ted Phillips in the position he is in for a specific reason. And a real football president may not want to take part in that.

[adam]

It all really depends on what is going on in the locker room and Halas Hall.

 

Why is the offense so screwed up? Its clear they have talent.

 

The D does not have then talent the Offense has. I do think Tucker needs to be replaced if Trestman is not fired.

 

Is it Trestman or the players or is it Cutler???

 

If Trestman has lost the team then He needs to be fired at the end of this year.

 

If is Cutler, then what does that say about Emery and Trestman. Who made the decision to sign him long term and so much money up front?

 

Did Emery force Cutler on Trestman or was it Trestman saying Cutler is the guy????

 

I would really like to know who made the call on Cutler.

 

IF its Trestman and Emery fires him and the whole staff then it will be a wake up call to everyone that shit better change.

 

I could be on board with a couple of different options:

1. D and Special Teams coaches need to be fired.

 

Then here is where I could go a couple of different routes:

1A. Keep Trestman and cut Cutler= that is if the problem is Cutler

1B. Keep Trestman and keep Cutler if Emery and Upper management believe in Trestman and Cutler is not the problem

1C. Fire Trestman and keep Cutler- that is if Trestman has lost the team and Trestman is the reason the Bears suck this bad

1D. Fire Trestman and get rid of Cutler and start from scratch- This would mean Emery has failed miserably and he needs to go too. Connorbear mentioned this route above

 

I hope its not 1D, I really don't want to start a complete rebuild even tho that may be the route that needs to happen.

 

I think if they were to fire the staff keeping Cutler for one year may give the Bears a chance to make a quicker turn around. Cutler shows flashes of greatness. He just cant do it week in and week out.

 

Who knows maybe there is a coach that could get him to do it every week.

Emery inherited Cutler, and made some nice moves to add playmakers (Marshall trade, Alshon, Long draft, Bennett signing) around him. Not much changed, so he brought in Trestman to "fix" Cutler.

 

I believe that Trestman's pitch for fixing Cutler was why Emery went with him. After last season, it looked like we were primed for an awesome offensive display this year. So with the belief that things would be better, I think Emery "bought in" to Trestman and an improved Cutler and locked him up. Then this season happened, and now he looks like an ass for that ridiculous contract. Trestman has lost all his backers (Gannon, Young, etc) and seems like he is just finishing out his time.

 

In the end, I think Trestman and Cutler get one more year, and if they don't produce, ie. playoff berth, both will be gone after next season. However, to show some action, Tucker and DeCam are gone in about a month.

[Boston Boxer]

I guarantee you Washington would take Cutler off our hands.

[adam]

I guarantee you Washington would take Cutler off our hands.

I would say any of these teams would at least consider him: NYJ, BUF, JAX, TB, ARZ, WSH, STL, TEN, and MIN.