Question about other franchises

[Chitownhustla]

I've been thinking about how we really don't know who's running the Bears.

 

How is NE set up, you see Kraft on game day but is he hands off?

 

 

GB what's their chain of command ?

 

Baltimore how's theirs set up?

 

Pittsburgh , are the Rooneys hands off?

[Alaskan Grizzly]

I've been thinking about how we really don't know who's running the Bears.

 

How is NE set up, you see Kraft on game day but is he hands off?

 

 

GB what's their chain of command ?

 

Baltimore how's theirs set up?

 

Pittsburgh , are the Rooneys hands off?

 

Not sure about all of them but I have to believe a HUGE reason for Baltimores success is Ozzie Newsone. I mean before they moved to Baltimore, look how well "old" Clevland was doing. And the one constant in Baltimore since that move, to include two SB wins? Newsome.

 

As far as Pittsburgh and NE go, I think both owners (Rooney and Kraft) are real good at judging talent. When it comes to coaching jobs (and support) at least.

 

I'll say nothing of the team that shall not be mentioned here.

[Chitownhustla]

 

I'm starting with the GB Fudge Packers. Only because in 2005 with the number 4 or 5 pick the Bears selected Cedric Benson and with the 24th pick that same year GB picked Aaron Rodgers. Man, look at difference one draft pick can make.

 

President is Mark Murphy, but he also has an executive committee. Not sure if Mark Murphy has final say but I like the idea of a committee.

Below them is the GM Ted Thompson. He is in control of everything personnel wise, and coaching staff wise. McCarthy has gone on record that he has nothing to do with the roster. He is paid to coach whatever roster is put in front of him

 

GB has built their team through the draft. Ted Thompson has been given a lot of credit for his. If you look at this franchise you know who is responsible for what. It would be easy to hold someone accountable.

 

 

1. Mark Murphy and the committee are the top

2. Ted Thompson answers to them

3. McCarthy answers to Ted.

 

 

Holding people accountable is very crucial.

 

Is McCaskey (Chairman on top) with Ted Phillips (President and CEO) in charge and answering to him and does Emery answer to him? Ted does have the title of CEO/President. So Im going to go with him running the whole show.

 

George was put in place in 2011. So Im only going to hold him accountable from then on. The only constant from before then is Ted Phillips, he has been the CEO since 1999.

 

If Ted Phillips is the one calling all the shots then lets look at what he has done

1. Hired JA= which hind sight is always 20/20 was a bad move

2. Waited too long to fire JA

3. Hired Emery = if Trestman (this is if Emery had total control of who was hired) was the wrong hire then you have to look at Emery being the wrong hire too

 

JA did hire Lovie and Lovie was a good coach(this is going on the idea that JA hired Lovie and not Ted). I think Lovie should have been fired earlier than he was, because there was a GM change I will put this blame on Ted.

 

The Goal in the NFL is to win a SB, since 1999 the Bears have been to one SB. The Bears once had a strong roster(heavy on the defensive side) that was driven into the ground by JA. This all happened under Ted Phillips watch.

 

If Ted Phillips was in charge, he fired JA(a move that needed to be done) and hired Emery. Then Lovie was fired and Trestman was hired. The Bears have gotten worse.

 

Ted Phillips does not have a football background. Maybe if he did he would have seen where the Bears where headed under JA. Maybe he would have seen where the NFL was going (pass happy) before everyone else.

 

Mark Murphy does have a football background. Not saying this is the end all be all but its something to look at.

 

 

Next up Im going to go over the Ravens front office.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chitownhustla]

Ravens

 

Owner Biscotti

President - Cass

GM- Ozzie

 

As Alaskan said, Ozzie is the guy in charge. Ozzie has kept the Ravens at a high level of the NFL for years. I don't think anyone questions who is making the calls here.

 

 

 

[Chitownhustla]

Ravens

 

Owner Biscotti

President - Cass

GM- Ozzie

 

As Alaskan said, Ozzie is the guy in charge. Ozzie has kept the Ravens at a high level of the NFL for years. I don't think anyone questions who is making the calls here.

 

New Egland

 

Robert Kraft CEO

Jon Kraft - President

Nick Caserio- director of player personnel

 

That is all that is listed. So I guess they don't have a GM, or does Hoodie Bill take one that role?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[madlithuanian]

Thank you for the in depth analysis!

 

Kind of depressing when you look are our team's organization...

 

I'm starting with the GB Fudge Packers. Only because in 2005 with the number 4 or 5 pick the Bears selected Cedric Benson and with the 24th pick that same year GB picked Aaron Rodgers. Man, look at difference one draft pick can make.

 

President is Mark Murphy, but he also has an executive committee. Not sure if Mark Murphy has final say but I like the idea of a committee.

Below them is the GM Ted Thompson. He is in control of everything personnel wise, and coaching staff wise. McCarthy has gone on record that he has nothing to do with the roster. He is paid to coach whatever roster is put in front of him

 

GB has built their team through the draft. Ted Thompson has been given a lot of credit for his. If you look at this franchise you know who is responsible for what. It would be easy to hold someone accountable.

 

 

1. Mark Murphy and the committee are the top

2. Ted Thompson answers to them

3. McCarthy answers to Ted.

 

 

Holding people accountable is very crucial.

 

Is McCaskey (Chairman on top) with Ted Phillips (President and CEO) in charge and answering to him and does Emery answer to him? Ted does have the title of CEO/President. So Im going to go with him running the whole show.

 

George was put in place in 2011. So Im only going to hold him accountable from then on. The only constant from before then is Ted Phillips, he has been the CEO since 1999.

 

If Ted Phillips is the one calling all the shots then lets look at what he has done

1. Hired JA= which hind sight is always 20/20 was a bad move

2. Waited too long to fire JA

3. Hired Emery = if Trestman (this is if Emery had total control of who was hired) was the wrong hire then you have to look at Emery being the wrong hire too

 

JA did hire Lovie and Lovie was a good coach(this is going on the idea that JA hired Lovie and not Ted). I think Lovie should have been fired earlier than he was, because there was a GM change I will put this blame on Ted.

 

The Goal in the NFL is to win a SB, since 1999 the Bears have been to one SB. The Bears once had a strong roster(heavy on the defensive side) that was driven into the ground by JA. This all happened under Ted Phillips watch.

 

If Ted Phillips was in charge, he fired JA(a move that needed to be done) and hired Emery. Then Lovie was fired and Trestman was hired. The Bears have gotten worse.

 

Ted Phillips does not have a football background. Maybe if he did he would have seen where the Bears where headed under JA. Maybe he would have seen where the NFL was going (pass happy) before everyone else.

 

Mark Murphy does have a football background. Not saying this is the end all be all but its something to look at.

 

 

Next up Im going to go over the Ravens front office.

 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

New Egland Robert Kraft CEO Jon Kraft - President Nick Caserio- director of player personnel That is all that is listed. So I guess they don't have a GM, or does Hoodie Bill take one that role?

 

Bill Belichick is GM/Coach

 

 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

Ravens Owner Biscotti President - Cass GM- Ozzie As Alaskan said, Ozzie is the guy in charge. Ozzie has kept the Ravens at a high level of the NFL for years. I don't think anyone questions who is making the calls here.

 

I would give a lot of credit to the Ravens due to their President Richard "Dick" Cass also. The guy could be in line to become the next commissioner of the nfl and is highly thought of by NFL owners.

 

 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

I'm starting with the GB Fudge Packers. Only because in 2005 with the number 4 or 5 pick the Bears selected Cedric Benson and with the 24th pick that same year GB picked Aaron Rodgers. Man, look at difference one draft pick can make. President is Mark Murphy, but he also has an executive committee. Not sure if Mark Murphy has final say but I like the idea of a committee. Below them is the GM Ted Thompson. He is in control of everything personnel wise, and coaching staff wise. McCarthy has gone on record that he has nothing to do with the roster. He is paid to coach whatever roster is put in front of him GB has built their team through the draft. Ted Thompson has been given a lot of credit for his. If you look at this franchise you know who is responsible for what. It would be easy to hold someone accountable. 1. Mark Murphy and the committee are the top 2. Ted Thompson answers to them 3. McCarthy answers to Ted. Holding people accountable is very crucial. Is McCaskey (Chairman on top) with Ted Phillips (President and CEO) in charge and answering to him and does Emery answer to him? Ted does have the title of CEO/President. So Im going to go with him running the whole show. George was put in place in 2011. So Im only going to hold him accountable from then on. The only constant from before then is Ted Phillips, he has been the CEO since 1999. If Ted Phillips is the one calling all the shots then lets look at what he has done 1. Hired JA= which hind sight is always 20/20 was a bad move 2. Waited too long to fire JA 3. Hired Emery = if Trestman (this is if Emery had total control of who was hired) was the wrong hire then you have to look at Emery being the wrong hire too JA did hire Lovie and Lovie was a good coach(this is going on the idea that JA hired Lovie and not Ted). I think Lovie should have been fired earlier than he was, because there was a GM change I will put this blame on Ted. The Goal in the NFL is to win a SB, since 1999 the Bears have been to one SB. The Bears once had a strong roster(heavy on the defensive side) that was driven into the ground by JA. This all happened under Ted Phillips watch. If Ted Phillips was in charge, he fired JA(a move that needed to be done) and hired Emery. Then Lovie was fired and Trestman was hired. The Bears have gotten worse. Ted Phillips does not have a football background. Maybe if he did he would have seen where the Bears where headed under JA. Maybe he would have seen where the NFL was going (pass happy) before everyone else. Mark Murphy does have a football background. Not saying this is the end all be all but its something to look at. Next up Im going to go over the Ravens front office.

 

Here is a big one... after Lovie took the Bears to the Super Bowl in 2006, the Chicago Bears gave him an extension. In that extension, he gained some power over personal, meaning telling Jerry who to draft. He let go of Rivera, meaning full control over the coaching staff/contracts.

 

I would like to know what Angelo was doing with that contract extension? Why would he sign over a chunk of the power over personal to Lovie? That tells me Phillips or Mikey McCaskey are making the decisions instead of letting the GM do his work.

 

 

[Chitownhustla]

I would give a lot of credit to the Ravens due to their President Richard "Dick" Cass also. The guy could be in line to become the next commissioner of the nfl and is highly thought of by NFL owners.

 

Thanks for the input. I am not as familiar with the Ravens and Pitts and NE. I have read that Decosta and Ozzie are two great guys running the Ravens. Many here had talked about trying to get Decosta when they were searching for a GM when Emery got hired.

 

 

 

 

[Chitownhustla]

Here is a big one... after Lovie took the Bears to the Super Bowl in 2006, the Chicago Bears gave him an extension. In that extension, he gained some power over personal, meaning telling Jerry who to draft. He let go of Rivera, meaning full control over the coaching staff/contracts.

 

I would like to know what Angelo was doing with that contract extension? Why would he sign over a chunk of the power over personal to Lovie? That tells me Phillips or Mikey McCaskey are making the decisions instead of letting the GM do his work.

 

I was watching an interview with Mike McCarthy about something. He went into answer a question about something..... He did say that he lets Ted do the drafting and signing of players, he said something along the lines of he wouldn't have enough time to do any of that. He is paid to coach and that he was already busy enough.

 

 

Maybe part of the reason the Bears are where they are now is because Lovie should not have been making draft picks or FA signings. Who knows how much control LA and Lovie had between the two of them.

 

 

 

George should fire Ted Phillips and hire a new CEO/President. Since 1999(not that we had won one in the 90's either) the Bears have not won a SB. end of story. They gave Lovie 9 years. Ted Phillips does not deserve any more time.

 

He should be held accountable for the product on the field. Its been the same shit year in and year out. Lovie was held accountable for his record, Ted should too.

 

99= 6-10

00= 5-11

01= 13-3 Div loss

02= 4-12

03= 7-9

04= 5-11

05= 11-5 Div loss

06=13-3 SuperBowl loss

07= 7-9

08= 9-7

09= 7-9

10= 11-5 NFC Championship loss

11= 8-8

12= 10-6

13= 8-8

14= 5-7 right now. we know where this is going

 

Under Ted Phillips the Bears are 129-123. How does he still have a job? 15 years and 4 trips to the playoffs.

In the same 15 years the Packers have been to the playoffs 10 times winning one SB. In the 7 years Murphy has been in charge of the Packers they have been in the playoffs 5 times. Ted Thompson has been the GM for 9 years, just goes to show you how important the GM position really is.

 

 

 

Having just looked this shit up I'm even more pissed off. I didn't think that could happen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Daventry]

As I have said...I am on strike against the new Bears.

 

I will buy jerseys from the good old days....but my NFL Game Pass will be cancelled when it ends next year.

 

The Bears better do something....or their fan base will leave.

 

 

[scs787]

Ya know what I found to be a little interesting is this...

 

By the decades..

 

50's: 2 playoff appearances, including one Championship game loss.

60's: 1 playoff appearance, one Championship.

70's: 2 playoff appearances, 2 quick losses

80's: 5 playoff appearances, 2 early exits, 2 conf championship losses and one SB.

90's: 3 playoff appearances, one early exit, two first round wins

00's: 3 playoff appearances, 2 early losses, one SB appearance and loss

10's: 1 playoff appearance, 1 conference champ loss.

 

I'm a whipper snapper compared to a lot of you here. The way some of you guys talk I would have expected to see much more success. Looks to me, sans the 80's this franchise is not as great as I was lead to believe.

 

 

[madlithuanian]

1920's (no official post-season until 1932) : 1 1st place finish at the Chicago Staleys (not Decatur...)

1930's: 4 playoff appearances, 2 championships, 2 championship losses

1940's: 5 playoff appearances, 4 championships (the one in 1940 was the all time ass kicking of Wash 73-0), 1 championship loss

 

The reality is the Pap Bears kicked ass until the 70's.

Then the 80's we kicked ass again.

Then the 00's we did OK and lost a SB.

 

Other than before the 70's and during the 80's...it's been sparce.

 

 

 

Ya know what I found to be a little interesting is this...

 

By the decades..

 

50's: 2 playoff appearances, including one Championship game loss.

60's: 1 playoff appearance, one Championship.

70's: 2 playoff appearances, 2 quick losses

80's: 5 playoff appearances, 2 early exits, 2 conf championship losses and one SB.

90's: 3 playoff appearances, one early exit, two first round wins

00's: 3 playoff appearances, 2 early losses, one SB appearance and loss

10's: 1 playoff appearance, 1 conference champ loss.

 

I'm a whipper snapper compared to a lot of you here. The way some of you guys talk I would have expected to see much more success. Looks to me, sans the 80's this franchise is not as great as I was lead to believe.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Looking back at the records by decade, maybe not so hot, but the Halas name = the NFL. The legacy that this franchise has with Papa Bear and the origins of the league should dictate being fully engaged, leading to sustained excellence. Settling for what the McCaskey family is letting happen is almost criminal. This franchise should be the standard bearer for the league yet the family lets it operate like they are the Cleveland Indians of the NFL. Completely embarrassing and certainly unacceptable.

[Boston Boxer]

New Egland

 

Robert Kraft CEO

Jon Kraft - President

Nick Caserio- director of player personnel

 

That is all that is listed. So I guess they don't have a GM, or does Hoodie Bill take one that role?

 

BB and Caserio both have the GM role. They work well together and the 4 of them (Kraft x2, Caserio and BB) make the call on personnel. The key is, they all work well together and are always on the same page. There is a lot of trust in Patriot Place, but that had to be built and the Krafts and BB have been together for a while.

 

that is what the Bears need. Stability at the top. IMO, the owners are out of touch with football operations and really just write checks.

 

 

[madlithuanian]

We get decent once a decade, and it's just enough to not make it so ugly to do anything...

 

Looking back at the records by decade, maybe not so hot, but the Halas name = the NFL. The legacy that this franchise has with Papa Bear and the origins of the league should dictate being fully engaged, leading to sustained excellence. Settling for what the McCaskey family is letting happen is almost criminal. This franchise should be the standard bearer for the league yet the family lets it operate like they are the Cleveland Indians of the NFL. Completely embarrassing and certainly unacceptable.

 

[AZ54]

What the Bears need is a franchise QB. Get one of those and the rest of what you do looks a lot better to outside observers. Take that away from the franchises being discussed and the one that really stands out is Baltimore. The guy calling the shots there is Ozzie Newsome and he learned his craft working for Belichick in Cleveland.

 

The other constant those franchises have is stability in the organization and it's one thing the Rooney's have emphasized in Pittsburgh. They ride out the rebuilding storm with their head coaches. Likewise Green Bay has been consistent with their offense, at least in terms of the system. When you have that stability it's easier for new players to get up to speed because veterans know all the details and it's easier for a player like Matt Flynn to look good. Their defense has flipped around a few times and that's where they usually struggle. When you think about it, Green Bay usually enters the offseason focused on fixing their D yet for all that attention they can't get it done, at least consistently to a top 10 unit which, if you focus that many resources on it, should get there. Aaron Rodgers makes people overlook that no differently that Tom Brady makes people overlook defensive issues in New England.

 

 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

What the Bears need is a franchise QB. Get one of those and the rest of what you do looks a lot better to outside observers. Take that away from the franchises being discussed and the one that really stands out is Baltimore. The guy calling the shots there is Ozzie Newsome and he learned his craft working for Belichick in Cleveland.

 

The other constant those franchises have is stability in the organization and it's one thing the Rooney's have emphasized in Pittsburgh. They ride out the rebuilding storm with their head coaches. Likewise Green Bay has been consistent with their offense, at least in terms of the system. When you have that stability it's easier for new players to get up to speed because veterans know all the details and it's easier for a player like Matt Flynn to look good. Their defense has flipped around a few times and that's where they usually struggle. When you think about it, Green Bay usually enters the offseason focused on fixing their D yet for all that attention they can't get it done, at least consistently to a top 10 unit which, if you focus that many resources on it, should get there. Aaron Rodgers makes people overlook that no differently that Tom Brady makes people overlook defensive issues in New England.

 

That is true. Jay is our franchise QB, and we have him next year for sure and most likely the following. I heard that one option is stripping Trestman of the playcalling. We know Kroemer is all about running the ball, maybe a more balanced attack is all this team needs and they also need to change their movements because defenses know were we are running.

[scs787]

That is true. Jay is our franchise QB, and we have him next year for sure and most likely the following. I heard that one option is stripping Trestman of the playcalling. We know Kroemer is all about running the ball, maybe a more balanced attack is all this team needs and they also need to change their movements because defenses know were we are running.

 

Has he said that or something? Even his 1 year as OC in Nola the team ranked 29th in rushing attempts. Bears are 28th this year and were 24th last year.

[Chitownhustla]

What the Bears need is a franchise QB. Get one of those and the rest of what you do looks a lot better to outside observers. Take that away from the franchises being discussed and the one that really stands out is Baltimore. The guy calling the shots there is Ozzie Newsome and he learned his craft working for Belichick in Cleveland.

 

The other constant those franchises have is stability in the organization and it's one thing the Rooney's have emphasized in Pittsburgh. They ride out the rebuilding storm with their head coaches. Likewise Green Bay has been consistent with their offense, at least in terms of the system. When you have that stability it's easier for new players to get up to speed because veterans know all the details and it's easier for a player like Matt Flynn to look good. Their defense has flipped around a few times and that's where they usually struggle. When you think about it, Green Bay usually enters the offseason focused on fixing their D yet for all that attention they can't get it done, at least consistently to a top 10 unit which, if you focus that many resources on it, should get there. Aaron Rodgers makes people overlook that no differently that Tom Brady makes people overlook defensive issues in New England.

 

If you don't have an Elite QB the only way you are going to win the SB is if you have a Top Tier Defense. Out of the last however many SB winners only two or three teams won without an Elite QB.

 

1. Seahawks= Wilson good QB(may end up being elite)= great D

2. Ravens w/ Flacco = great D

3. Ravens w/ Dilfer= top 5 D in the history of the NFL if I remember correctly

 

Other than that I think every winner over the last 20 years has had an Elite QB

 

 

I may have missed a team or two but you get the point.

 

Stability is key for a franchise. One of the reasons I expected so much from the Offense this year. The second year in the same system. Why is Drew, Aaron, Tom, Manning so good year in and year out....well one of the reasons is the same the system.

 

 

 

 

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Has he said that or something? Even his 1 year as OC in Nola the team ranked 29th in rushing attempts. Bears are 28th this year and were 24th last year.

All of our coaches say they want to run the ball. Actions speak louder then words though.

[madlithuanian]

I want to win the lottery...that's probably not going to happen either.

 

All of our coaches say they want to run the ball. Actions speak louder then words though.

 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

Has he said that or something? Even his 1 year as OC in Nola the team ranked 29th in rushing attempts. Bears are 28th this year and were 24th last year.

He was the running coordinator last year and called the running plays. Statistically, were not far off from run to pass ratio. Also, linemen prefer to run block, he was a oline coach.

 

[Chitownhustla]

Listening to Chicago sports talk today, they went on and on about how the Bears upper management will prolly not fire Ted, Emery or Trestman. Most likely Tucker and DeCamlis will be fired and that's it.

 

 

If the Bears happen to lose the last 4 games in the same fashion as the last two how could George not fire everyone.