I know it's taboo around here, but...

[lemonej]

If we go by that philosophy, our first 4 picks should be two OL ad two DL and build up the lines. I actually would have no problem with that even thou Im all in on Cooper and White.

 

Something like Shelton/NT-AJ Cann/OG-Harry Anderson/DE-Grasu/OC

 

So am I. You can't go by that philosophy anymore because there is FA now and back then you were bound to one team only. That was the same era when a starting SS and DE was out for a whole year in a contract dispute and missed the SB year then signed the following year with the same team because they had no other options.This allowed the Bears to move Hampton to DE and Start Fridge at DT after Ryan reluctantly did so taking Hartenstine out of the lineup.

I personally don't like taking a NT at 7 unless he is going to be a can't miss player and he is going to be a 3 down player. All indications are that we are not going to be in the base D enough to justify having a 1st rdr at 7 standing on the sidelines for most of the game. That's why if they go defender without trading back I prefer the top CB on the board or 1 of the 2 WRs.

[Guest TerraTor]

Let's not forget that our Defense sucks. And majority of our signings are for 1 year... we need to take a stud defender.

[Alaskan Grizzly]

Second, regarding the Rodgers red herring, it was pointed out during those previous discussions that Rodgers may have been harassed, but his harassment was more often in the form of blown up plays. Many guys doing things wrong simultaneously. Cutler, on the other hand, had to endure his OL taking turns, so that there was virtually never any certainty about remaining upright. In other words, Rodgers got 2 or 3 guys who screwed up in one or two plays, then had outstanding protection for several other plays, which is more a sign of miscommunication than anything. Cutler had 4 or 5 guys mess up in 8 or 9 plays, where it was almost impossible to predict or correct the failure, and multiple drives were hindered. You're right, however, about the OL during Long's rookie year. Imagine that, the offense did VERY well that year. Then the OL regressed in 2014, the offense couldn't carry a horrible defense, and the coaching staff got fired.

 

So let me get this straight, when Rodgers is 'harassed' it's because of blown up plays and many guys doing the wrong thing. Whereas, and if I understand you right, the Oline was more or less the sole reason for Cutler's issues? What happened to all the players that were "running the wrong routes"? And Cutler throwing into double and triple coverage? Or when he holds the ball too long and fumbles? Or when he notoriously decides to take the offense play-calling into his own hands and audibles to the wrong plays? Does none of that contribute to his play?

 

Third, a discussion about the OL need not include your hatred for Cutler. Nobody will disagree with the notion that McCown looked like a superstar within the offense...which was in 2013, BTW. Why that is so makes this a much more complex debate. But since you brought in other players, consider this: the offense had the same weapons in 2013 and 2014, yet the OL performed different from one year to the next. If skill players made more difference, then the offense should have been much more productive last year despite the OL. Right?

 

Again, it comes down to who was running the offense. And that last year's oline was more a hodge-podge assembly than it was the year prior. As you agreed, McCown did well in his starts two years ago as did Clausen in his one last year. The oline difference in the two years? Consistency of the manning.

[Alaskan Grizzly]

Let's not forget that our Defense sucks. And majority of our signings are for 1 year... we need to take a stud defender.

 

Agreed, the future at this point needs to be looking at the D. But with consideration at BPA. If you find a great skill player you almost can't pass.

[jason]

So let me get this straight, when Rodgers is 'harassed' it's because of blown up plays and many guys doing the wrong thing. Whereas, and if I understand you right, the Oline was more or less the sole reason for Cutler's issues? What happened to all the players that were "running the wrong routes"? And Cutler throwing into double and triple coverage? Or when he holds the ball too long and fumbles? Or when he notoriously decides to take the offense play-calling into his own hands and audibles to the wrong plays? Does none of that contribute to his play?

 

 

 

Again, it comes down to who was running the offense. And that last year's oline was more a hodge-podge assembly than it was the year prior. As you agreed, McCown did well in his starts two years ago as did Clausen in his one last year. The oline difference in the two years? Consistency of the manning.

 

 

You either believe OT not. I won't rehash or re-research everything again to prove what was already proven. It's about the frequency of OL error per play. Rodgers' number was higher because multiple guys had bad plays together. Cutler's was higher because multiply guys were taking turns sucking. The major difference being that Rodgers still had several plays where he had huge pockets with tons of time. Cutler did not. All things being equal, Rodgers is obviously better. But all things aren't equal on their respective OL.

[jason]

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