'TD' Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 So, with Cutler and a huge contract, a porous OL, a new defensive scheme with tons of unknowns, definite holes at ILB and S if not also NT and 3-4 DE, an absence at WR now that Marshall is gone, and empirical evidence that trading up is a bad idea in terms of overall value added, yet you STILL want to trade up to get the second rated QB (and some question that because of the scheme) of a weak QB class? That's insane. Yea, I think Mariotta will turn out to be a great QB down the road. The Bears won't win when Cutler is on the team, too many holes, but Mariota can be groomed behind him ala Rodgers (another second rated QB) or he can start this year if Cutler is involved in a deal. The OL has question marks at Center and RT. Neither of which is worth a 1st round pick. Defensively, they have soo many damn players they are trying to find the position for in the front 7, they may be fine there. They may not, just no way to tell really. There's not a Safety I want to see drafted at 7, and their is no reason to bring in a WR until you have your QB. If the Mariotta falls to the skins, I'm not as certain that the Titans will get a good enough trade for the #2 over all pick, and I see the Bears have traded the Skins, I will be jumping for joy. If I see it at 2, despite what they give up, I'll be excited still because I think the Bears will have the best QB prospect in my time as a fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'TD' Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 The Cutler Hate is strong with this one. It's not purely Cutler hate. If Mariota was taken first for some reason, I wouldn't want to see the Bears trade up for him. This is purely on what I think Mariota can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackerDog Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 It's not purely Cutler hate. If Mariota was taken first for some reason, I wouldn't want to see the Bears trade up for him. This is purely on what I think Mariota can be. Well John Gruden agrees with you so you're not alone. It would be a complete reboot of the team which some might argue is what we need. I'd hoped for something a little less painful. We'll know everything we need to know in a few short hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'TD' Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Well John Gruden agrees with you so you're not alone. It would be a complete reboot of the team which some might argue is what we need. I'd hoped for something a little less painful. We'll know everything we need to know in a few short hours. what I meant to say is I don't want to see the Bears to trade up for Winston, if Mariota is taken. I just believe in mariota, not a give up a ransom to get someone other than Cutler. Yea, Gruden has worked him out in his camps, had him running plays and worked with him. Saw a video on it a week or 2 back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 So, with Cutler and a huge contract, a porous OL, a new defensive scheme with tons of unknowns, definite holes at ILB and S if not also NT and 3-4 DE, an absence at WR now that Marshall is gone, and empirical evidence that trading up is a bad idea in terms of overall value added, yet you STILL want to trade up to get the second rated QB (and some question that because of the scheme) of a weak QB class? That's insane. Although I'm not a huge fan of Maiotta's I'm lesser of Cutler's, especially the amount of money he costs...and he just turned 32...and he hasn't proven anything worthy of his contract....despite all the OC's/Coaches he's played for...and all the catering he's had thus far....yadda yadda The porous OL you always talk about is something, in your opinion, that never goes away. But just two years ago, when they managed to stay healthy, they didn't do all that bad. I'd rather not re-tread that path. Realistically though, in a 1st round such as this year's, can you make more difference in drafting a top notch OLman or a blue chip prospect like Mariotta? While getting rid of a money laden "non-franchise QB" in Cutler? But before I commit myself to this argument, I would contend that there are other lesser-known QB's in the draft (Hundley, Petty, Grayson) who could be just as intriguing to replace Cutler. I'm not sure the argument could be made there are numerous holes in the defense to fill with all the prospective FA's that were signed and not a few of them possibly sticking. Like the OL, I don't see one player in the draft making that much an impact. Unless its at Safety where I think Collins could be a huge long term difference maker. I wouldn't deem it "insane" an idea, just not probable...unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 what I meant to say is I don't want to see the Bears to trade up for Winston, if Mariota is taken. I just believe in mariota, not a give up a ransom to get someone other than Cutler. Yea, Gruden has worked him out in his camps, had him running plays and worked with him. Saw a video on it a week or 2 back. Yes thank you for clarifying. I was almost going to label you insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Although I'm not a huge fan of Maiotta's I'm lesser of Cutler's, especially the amount of money he costs...and he just turned 32...and he hasn't proven anything worthy of his contract....despite all the OC's/Coaches he's played for...and all the catering he's had thus far....yadda yadda The porous OL you always talk about is something, in your opinion, that never goes away. But just two years ago, when they managed to stay healthy, they didn't do all that bad. I'd rather not re-tread that path. Realistically though, in a 1st round such as this year's, can you make more difference in drafting a top notch OLman or a blue chip prospect like Mariotta? While getting rid of a money laden "non-franchise QB" in Cutler? But before I commit myself to this argument, I would contend that there are other lesser-known QB's in the draft (Hundley, Petty, Grayson) who could be just as intriguing to replace Cutler. I'm not sure the argument could be made there are numerous holes in the defense to fill with all the prospective FA's that were signed and not a few of them possibly sticking. Like the OL, I don't see one player in the draft making that much an impact. Unless its at Safety where I think Collins could be a huge long term difference maker. I wouldn't deem it "insane" an idea, just not probable...unfortunately. Make no illusions; you're a Cutler hater. And giving up all that was mentioned originally would be insane. As for the other stuff, the OL was good one year. One. Otherwise the two on the left have aged and degraded, and Mills got much worse. There is a reason Forte always gets hit in the backfield. Drafting a blue chip OL like Peat or Scherff would almost certainly improve the offense byconsiderable margins. Scherff next to Long would be a runner's dream, and something defenses would have to overload against. I have said i dont like or want DL or OLB, but there is certainly uncertainty. And the flaws at S are as you noted; I still think Collins would make a huge impact. Agreed about the second tier QBs. If the Bears want a QB, they should look outside of the 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'TD' Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL The #Bears interest in QB Marcus Mariota has been serious for quite some time. Was told Pace values him as the top QB in the '15 & '16 class Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 I predict Shelton dunno why exactly...just think it'll be the one given everything we've heard to date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killakrzydav Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 I'd love Cooper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradjock Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 My guess is Vic Beasley. Because with Ray and Gregory hurting their stock, Cooper, White, Fowler and Williams go along with the QBs. Beasley is highly rated and too high to pass as bpa. If they can trade down, then it is a few spots down only. Put me down also for Vic Beasley. Of course I'm convinced we are targeting an edge rusher (although us shopping the black unicorn gives me pause.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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