madlithuanian Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Bionic-Man 2015 I have to wonder if the rod will help more long term vs the non surgical options. Bears aren't going anywhere this year, so if the rod will help keep this from flaring up in the future it would make sense to get it out of the way now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 You trade away the cancer who's been traded 2 times before... It's not like 2 other franchises didn't come up with the exact same conclusion. He'll look great in NY this year (although I haven't the foggiest who's throwing him the pill), then fall off next. There's a pattern here. However, what I get out of this is the Bears have no choice but to get Alshon a long term contract. If White can't be a true star, and we won't know...then it would appear geting Alshon locked up isn't a bad move. Although, we could play tag next year and see what Whilte does next year. I told you guys I wasn't thrilled with the pick more than once. I just didn't like him a lot. I was/am all aboard the bandwagon, hope he rebounds with a fury, but I just had a bad feeling. I obviously didn't predict this, but wish we didn't trade away a pro-bowler for the uncertainty of a rookie (who ends up with a leg fracture). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 We need a burner, but possession guys... No worries, we just signed Jeremy Kelley, WR, 6-6, 231. Cameron Meredith also looked pretty good, he might stick. Otherwise, do we go after someone like Reggie Wayne or James Jones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Very well said AZ 54. We'll never get details but this might be a spiral fracture as those take a lot longer to heal, especially with the stresses of playing a position like WR. I don't think it's the end of the road for White as this clearly was never a displaced fracture (i.e. fully broken) it should heal naturally with time. Inserting a plate or rod to stabilize it should improve the long term recovery prognosis. Someone said it was handled poorly by the Bears. How? Just because they don't include us on the details of the injury doesn't mean they gave him poor treatment. Unless you are advocating they should have done the surgery 6 weeks ago but that would have definitely put him on a longer recovery time frame. The team clearly wanted to give it a chance to heal on it's own in 6 weeks and hoped he'd be ready for the regular season. Then they slowly ramped up his physical activities to allow the muscles to rebuild and strengthen around the lower leg. It's just bad luck for this to happen but I don't put this in the same category as a GM missing on Jadeveon Clowney's bad knee that needed micro fracture surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TerraTor Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Wonderful. .. a one trick pony who can't do is one trick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Someone said it was handled poorly by the Bears. How? Just because they don't include us on the details of the injury doesn't mean they gave him poor treatment. Unless you are advocating they should have done the surgery 6 weeks ago but that would have definitely put him on a longer recovery time frame. The team clearly wanted to give it a chance to heal on it's own in 6 weeks and hoped he'd be ready for the regular season. Then they slowly ramped up his physical activities to allow the muscles to rebuild and strengthen around the lower leg. This 100%. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Wonderful. .. a one trick pony who can't do is one trick The season hasnt started yet and were killing the buzz because of a injury? Look this is not a something they could figure out in drafting him, let him heal and then once he starts playing everyone will be happy we drafted him. Jason, how you dont understand on Marshall had a negative impact on this team overwhelms me . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 We'll never get details but this might be a spiral fracture as those take a lot longer to heal, especially with the stresses of playing a position like WR. I don't think it's the end of the road for White as this clearly was never a displaced fracture (i.e. fully broken) it should heal naturally with time. Inserting a plate or rod to stabilize it should improve the long term recovery prognosis. Someone said it was handled poorly by the Bears. How? Just because they don't include us on the details of the injury doesn't mean they gave him poor treatment. Unless you are advocating they should have done the surgery 6 weeks ago but that would have definitely put him on a longer recovery time frame. The team clearly wanted to give it a chance to heal on it's own in 6 weeks and hoped he'd be ready for the regular season. Then they slowly ramped up his physical activities to allow the muscles to rebuild and strengthen around the lower leg. It's just bad luck for this to happen but I don't put this in the same category as a GM missing on Jadeveon Clowney's bad knee that needed micro fracture surgery. It's not a spiral fracture, just a stress fracture. He'll be fine after the surgery. He'll still have some pain but it won't effect his speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 FYI, if that's the same ptact from soxtalk, he knows what he's talking about when it comes to injuries. Sucks for this year but I'm not real worried about his future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 FYI, if that's the same ptact from soxtalk, he knows what he's talking about when it comes to injuries. Sucks for this year but I'm not real worried about his future. Our own in-house doctor? That'd be nice to have. If he's right then all the better for the recovery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Our own in-house doctor? That'd be nice to have. If he's right then all the better for the recovery. i'm the same guy. Not a doctor but a physical therapist and athletic trainer who has worked in both the MLB and NFL as well as most other professional and amateur sports you can think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 i'm the same guy. Not a doctor but a physical therapist and athletic trainer who has worked in both the MLB and NFL as well as most other professional and amateur sports you can think of. So what is the best case scenario on something like this? I've heard 10 weeks as a low end and 6 months as a high end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'TD' Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Jason, how you dont understand on Marshall had a negative impact on this team overwhelms me . Marshall is continuing to have a positive impact on the team through training with Jeffery in the off season and playing a major role in his development. When he was on the team, he played hard and played through injury putting up some of the best seasons as a WR the Bears have seen. He didn't hurt the team, the ownership just got butt hurt over stuff they shouldn't have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Marshall is continuing to have a positive impact on the team through training with Jeffery in the off season and playing a major role in his development. When he was on the team, he played hard and played through injury putting up some of the best seasons as a WR the Bears have seen. He didn't hurt the team, the ownership just got butt hurt over stuff they shouldn't have. We as fans don't know what went on behind the scenes. We don't know whether his antics hurt the team.....All I know is when a soft spoken guy like Matt Forte talk bad about Marshall, you know there's a problem there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 So what is the best case scenario on something like this? I've heard 10 weeks as a low end and 6 months as a high end. They really don't know. It really depends exactly where it is, near one of the ends of the bone or in the middle, as well as the length of the "crack" for lack of an easier way to describe it. The stress reaction essentially isn't healing. The bone callus isn't developing properly so the healing isn't occuring. They put the rod in the bone to hold the callus in place so healing can occur. They may use electrical bone stimulators as well. There really is no way to predict how long it will take as the normal healing process, already isn't occurring. I'm assuming they've already gone through all of the nutrient/mineral deficiencies he may have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TerraTor Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Marshall is continuing to have a positive impact on the team through training with Jeffery in the off season and playing a major role in his development. When he was on the team, he played hard and played through injury putting up some of the best seasons as a WR the Bears have seen. He didn't hurt the team, the ownership just got butt hurt over stuff they shouldn't have. Totally agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Totally agree Nah. Bottom line the Bears and Marshall are both better off for his leaving. He's already said the Jets will be his last team. Now he'll be able to do his HBO show without worry. He was good but not THAT good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Nah. Bottom line the Bears and Marshall are both better off for his leaving. He's already said the Jets will be his last team. Now he'll be able to do his HBO show without worry. He was good but not THAT good. After Marshall's 50 minute speech last year defending his abuse issues, I knew he was done in Chicago. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 The season hasnt started yet and were killing the buzz because of a injury? Look this is not a something they could figure out in drafting him, let him heal and then once he starts playing everyone will be happy we drafted him. Jason, how you dont understand on Marshall had a negative impact on this team overwhelms me . I understand. But he didn't have a negative impact while on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Thank you for that info. That sheds some light on what I (and probalby more than a few of us) know very little about. They really don't know. It really depends exactly where it is, near one of the ends of the bone or in the middle, as well as the length of the "crack" for lack of an easier way to describe it. The stress reaction essentially isn't healing. The bone callus isn't developing properly so the healing isn't occuring. They put the rod in the bone to hold the callus in place so healing can occur. They may use electrical bone stimulators as well. There really is no way to predict how long it will take as the normal healing process, already isn't occurring. I'm assuming they've already gone through all of the nutrient/mineral deficiencies he may have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chitownhustla Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 I understand. But he didn't have a negative impact while on the field. I agree with you on the impact on the field. I point to one game for reference against the Pack, he was clearly hurt and gave 110% until the game was over. He lead by example on the field. The Bears must have felt that his locker room antics were causing more problems then his on field production or what his future on field production will be. I was mad that they traded him but everything that has came out of the Bears locker room this year is about how great the locker atmosphere is compared to last year. Forte a guy who typically keeps to himself called Marshal out after his Cutler accountable remarks. If Forte speaks out against BM you know shit was bad in that locker room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 I agree with you on the impact on the field. I point to one game for reference against the Pack, he was clearly hurt and gave 110% until the game was over. He lead by example on the field. The Bears must have felt that his locker room antics were causing more problems then his on field production or what his future on field production will be. I was mad that they traded him but everything that has came out of the Bears locker room this year is about how great the locker atmosphere is compared to last year. Forte a guy who typically keeps to himself called Marshal out after his Cutler accountable remarks. If Forte speaks out against BM you know shit was bad in that locker room. Keep in mind I'm the guy who has CONSISTENTLY called for the Bears to add players at any cost. I don't care about image to be quite honest. I want studs. I called for TO, Moss, Burfict, etc. Nobody talks about all the negative guys on previous championship teams; they talk about the championships. On the field, Marshall was not a guy to be traded. He was a monster. That's what I want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Keep in mind I'm the guy who has CONSISTENTLY called for the Bears to add players at any cost. I don't care about image to be quite honest. I want studs. I called for TO, Moss, Burfict, etc. Nobody talks about all the negative guys on previous championship teams; they talk about the championships. On the field, Marshall was not a guy to be traded. He was a monster. That's what I want. This some degree I would agree to this. In order to have someone(s) like that on the team you have to have someone that can manage them. Trestman could not. And not necessarily because of what Marshall was behind the scenes others followed suit. Briggs was another example. I have no doubt that Fox can manage people like that. I have no doubt that Bennett could potentially be an issue but so far he isn't. Something tells me Fox weighed in to some degree on whether Marshall stayed or not. He probably agreed he had to go. He was a distraction. And as others pointed out, if Forte felt it necessary to speak up he was more than just a distraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chitownhustla Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Keep in mind I'm the guy who has CONSISTENTLY called for the Bears to add players at any cost. I don't care about image to be quite honest. I want studs. I called for TO, Moss, Burfict, etc. Nobody talks about all the negative guys on previous championship teams; they talk about the championships. On the field, Marshall was not a guy to be traded. He was a monster. That's what I want. I agree with getting studs, I don't need Peyton Manning type choir boys. But on the flip side how many Championships has TO, Moss, Burfict won? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chitownhustla Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 This some degree I would agree to this. In order to have someone(s) like that on the team you have to have someone that can manage them. Trestman could not. And not necessarily because of what Marshall was behind the scenes others followed suit. Briggs was another example. I have no doubt that Fox can manage people like that. I have no doubt that Bennett could potentially be an issue but so far he isn't. Something tells me Fox weighed in to some degree on whether Marshall stayed or not. He probably agreed he had to go. He was a distraction. And as others pointed out, if Forte felt it necessary to speak up he was more than just a distraction. Great points. Trestman was NOT a NFL HC and could not manage BM. I bet you are right Fox prolly could have. Makes me wonder if the BM trade was forced by upper management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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