The sky is not falling

[Wesson44]

QUOTE: "Jay Cutler threw a pick-six to Cardinals S Tony Jefferson on a miscommunication with Martellus Bennett. “It’s an option route," said Bennett. “I may feel something that Jay sees different on the play. … Those are plays we need to make and make all the time.” …

 

That's two weeks in a row those little miscommunications on your routes have resulted in turnovers that led to opponents scores. How may more times are you gonna "freelance" your routes and not be in the spot where Cutler expects you to be and delivers the ball too? The Cutler haters will blame him because they always have but those picks didn't happen in a vacuum. In both cases you overran your route. Last week you took off up the seam when Cutler expected you to stop and come back for the throw. You do that and it's a completion and not a pick. Yesterday it looked like he tried to pull the throw back when you ran past your stopping point because the throw was behind you, low and it had no zip on it. You two need to get on the same page with the "option routes" and if not you need to break them off, sit on the route, and come back for the throw. Your as much to blame for those picks as he is.

 

Fuller and handful of other defenders need to sit next week. I'm sure Fox is just as tired of hearing all about the need to try harder and execute better and that's all it's been, talk. McPhee says he missed a game changing sack because he lacked focus. Jared Allen can't close the deal on a pass rush. Alan Ball and Kyle Fuller don't know how to play in press coverage. Shea McClellin hasn't learned how to play pass coverage period. Bushrod and Ducasse can't remember a snap count for 10 seconds. The red zone execution sucks. One thing I have noticed is that we don't try to create a mismatch in the red zone. Against Green Bay we split Forte out and threw him an out route (he missed the catch) that would have been a TD. Later in the game we tried the same play to the same side and he was tackled for no gain.......the Patriots use the same play with their 6'7 and 6'6 TE's and it always works. If we need to get a QB I don't like Clausen or Falls but Tebow would fit in great with this offense if we need a back up

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe...p;v=Idx5wsH6Fys

[AZ54]

QUOTE: "Jay Cutler threw a pick-six to Cardinals S Tony Jefferson on a miscommunication with Martellus Bennett. “It’s an option route," said Bennett. “I may feel something that Jay sees different on the play. … Those are plays we need to make and make all the time.” …

 

That's two weeks in a row those little miscommunications on your routes have resulted in turnovers that led to opponents scores. How may more times are you gonna "freelance" your routes and not be in the spot where Cutler expects you to be and delivers the ball too? The Cutler haters will blame him because they always have but those picks didn't happen in a vacuum. In both cases you overran your route. Last week you took off up the seam when Cutler expected you to stop and come back for the throw. You do that and it's a completion and not a pick. Yesterday it looked like he tried to pull the throw back when you ran past your stopping point because the throw was behind you, low and it had no zip on it. You two need to get on the same page with the "option routes" and if not you need to break them off, sit on the route, and come back for the throw. Your as much to blame for those picks as he is.

 

Fuller and handful of other defenders need to sit next week. I'm sure Fox is just as tired of hearing all about the need to try harder and execute better and that's all it's been, talk. McPhee says he missed a game changing sack because he lacked focus. Jared Allen can't close the deal on a pass rush. Alan Ball and Kyle Fuller don't know how to play in press coverage. Shea McClellin hasn't learned how to play pass coverage period. Bushrod and Ducasse can't remember a snap count for 10 seconds. The red zone execution sucks. One thing I have noticed is that we don't try to create a mismatch in the red zone. Against Green Bay we split Forte out and threw him an out route (he missed the catch) that would have been a TD. Later in the game we tried the same play to the same side and he was tackled for no gain.......the Patriots use the same play with their 6'7 and 6'6 TE's and it always works. If we need to get a QB I don't like Clausen or Falls but Tebow would fit in great with this offense if we need a back up

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe...p;v=Idx5wsH6Fys

 

 

Nobody wants to hear it but the reality is when guys like Manning or Brady or Rodger play in the same system for a decade or more they don't have to go through this except with new WRs. It's partly why it takes a couple years for players to come up to speed in Green Bay because Rodgers throws guys open based on where the coverage is but that location can be anywhere from back shoulder to over the top outside/inside. A WR has to have a sense for where the ball will be placed, and he's really accurate in locating the ball.

 

Watch Peyton now learning a new system for the first time and he's done nothing but look average, or worse, for the first couple games. Everyone in Denver has been calling for Osweiller since the preseason games and you would never think of hearing that. We don't know who was wrong on Bennett's route other than the fact the two guys involved were not on the same page. It's frustrating for every fan in Chicago.

 

Take Gronk and his massive catch radius away from Brady and he looks a little more human. Plenty of games going back the last few years to see the difference. Take Jeffrey and White away from the field and we go from at best being average to an offense nobody is worried about.

 

(Please I hope every one can read and understand: I'm not putting Cutler in the same category of either of those three QBs. I'm simply comparing the challenges of an entire team learning a new offense, especially one where the WR and QB must make the same coverage reads, versus an offense that has a few new pieces and the key player (QB) and everyone else knows what is going on. )

 

Tim Tebow cannot throw accurately which is why he is no longer in the NFL (again). With this defense Fox is not going to win any games scoring 1 or 2 TDs like he and Tebow did in Denver.

 

Why are you criticizing SMC on coverage? (Curious what you are seeing since i haven't focused on him) Is it because of the play where Fitzgerald scored a TD? Or other plays? On Fitz's TD it was Fuller's man and SMC realized the blown coverage and ran back late to get in the play. Can't fault him on that one. He's still a step late getting into coverage and is reading things but with experience he should become more instinctive. To be honest I think SMC (our leading tackler) is far from the biggest issue on our defense these days. Surprisingly, I've noticed a complete lack of threads dedicated to SMC these past two weeks which has not been the case the last few seasons.

[Chitownhustla]

QUOTE: "Jay Cutler threw a pick-six to Cardinals S Tony Jefferson on a miscommunication with Martellus Bennett. “It’s an option route," said Bennett. “I may feel something that Jay sees different on the play. … Those are plays we need to make and make all the time.” …

 

That's two weeks in a row those little miscommunications on your routes have resulted in turnovers that led to opponents scores. How may more times are you gonna "freelance" your routes and not be in the spot where Cutler expects you to be and delivers the ball too? The Cutler haters will blame him because they always have but those picks didn't happen in a vacuum. In both cases you overran your route. Last week you took off up the seam when Cutler expected you to stop and come back for the throw. You do that and it's a completion and not a pick. Yesterday it looked like he tried to pull the throw back when you ran past your stopping point because the throw was behind you, low and it had no zip on it. You two need to get on the same page with the "option routes" and if not you need to break them off, sit on the route, and come back for the throw. Your as much to blame for those picks as he is.

 

Fuller and handful of other defenders need to sit next week. I'm sure Fox is just as tired of hearing all about the need to try harder and execute better and that's all it's been, talk. McPhee says he missed a game changing sack because he lacked focus. Jared Allen can't close the deal on a pass rush. Alan Ball and Kyle Fuller don't know how to play in press coverage. Shea McClellin hasn't learned how to play pass coverage period. Bushrod and Ducasse can't remember a snap count for 10 seconds. The red zone execution sucks. One thing I have noticed is that we don't try to create a mismatch in the red zone. Against Green Bay we split Forte out and threw him an out route (he missed the catch) that would have been a TD. Later in the game we tried the same play to the same side and he was tackled for no gain.......the Patriots use the same play with their 6'7 and 6'6 TE's and it always works. If we need to get a QB I don't like Clausen or Falls but Tebow would fit in great with this offense if we need a back up

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe...p;v=Idx5wsH6Fys

 

Great point on the INT, at this point in a new system these things are going to happen. I don't care who's fault they are, they need to get fixed and I think they will as they play more games.

 

 

 

[scs787]

Nobody wants to hear it but the reality is when guys like Manning or Brady or Rodger play in the same system for a decade or more they don't have to go through this except with new WRs. It's partly why it takes a couple years for players to come up to speed in Green Bay because Rodgers throws guys open based on where the coverage is but that location can be anywhere from back shoulder to over the top outside/inside. A WR has to have a sense for where the ball will be placed, and he's really accurate in locating the ball.

 

Watch Peyton now learning a new system for the first time and he's done nothing but look average, or worse, for the first couple games. Everyone in Denver has been calling for Osweiller since the preseason games and you would never think of hearing that. We don't know who was wrong on Bennett's route other than the fact the two guys involved were not on the same page. It's frustrating for every fan in Chicago.

 

Take Gronk and his massive catch radius away from Brady and he looks a little more human. Plenty of games going back the last few years to see the difference. Take Jeffrey and White away from the field and we go from at best being average to an offense nobody is worried about.

 

(Please I hope every one can read and understand: I'm not putting Cutler in the same category of either of those three QBs. I'm simply comparing the challenges of an entire team learning a new offense, especially one where the WR and QB must make the same coverage reads, versus an offense that has a few new pieces and the key player (QB) and everyone else knows what is going on. )

 

Tim Tebow cannot throw accurately which is why he is no longer in the NFL (again). With this defense Fox is not going to win any games scoring 1 or 2 TDs like he and Tebow did in Denver.

 

Why are you criticizing SMC on coverage? (Curious what you are seeing since i haven't focused on him) Is it because of the play where Fitzgerald scored a TD? Or other plays? On Fitz's TD it was Fuller's man and SMC realized the blown coverage and ran back late to get in the play. Can't fault him on that one. He's still a step late getting into coverage and is reading things but with experience he should become more instinctive. To be honest I think SMC (our leading tackler) is far from the biggest issue on our defense these days. Surprisingly, I've noticed a complete lack of threads dedicated to SMC these past two weeks which has not been the case the last few seasons.

 

On your last paragraph. I really think it might be time for a positive Shea McClellin thread. I thought he's looked pretty damn good. There's probably such a negative vibe around him from the past that people aren't willining to give him any credit.

 

Also concerning that Fitz touchdown. Fitzgerald actually said SMC did an impressive job scrambling back to make it a play (though he does say he thought it was pass interference)

 

Here's a pretty cool article where Fitz, Chris Johnson, and David Fells breakdown that play. www.azcardinals.com/news-and-events/article-2/Film-Room-Larry-Fitzgeralds-Flea-Flicker-TD/056ef857-9364-4108-90df-d2a297e786b8

 

If he continues playing well I wouldn't be surprised if he's resigned.....though I hear the staff loves Timu.

[Wesson44]

Nobody wants to hear it but the reality is when guys like Manning or Brady or Rodger play in the same system for a decade or more they don't have to go through this except with new WRs. It's partly why it takes a couple years for players to come up to speed in Green Bay because Rodgers throws guys open based on where the coverage is but that location can be anywhere from back shoulder to over the top outside/inside. A WR has to have a sense for where the ball will be placed, and he's really accurate in locating the ball.

 

Watch Peyton now learning a new system for the first time and he's done nothing but look average, or worse, for the first couple games. Everyone in Denver has been calling for Osweiller since the preseason games and you would never think of hearing that. We don't know who was wrong on Bennett's route other than the fact the two guys involved were not on the same page. It's frustrating for every fan in Chicago.

 

Take Gronk and his massive catch radius away from Brady and he looks a little more human. Plenty of games going back the last few years to see the difference. Take Jeffrey and White away from the field and we go from at best being average to an offense nobody is worried about.

 

(Please I hope every one can read and understand: I'm not putting Cutler in the same category of either of those three QBs. I'm simply comparing the challenges of an entire team learning a new offense, especially one where the WR and QB must make the same coverage reads, versus an offense that has a few new pieces and the key player (QB) and everyone else knows what is going on. )

 

Tim Tebow cannot throw accurately which is why he is no longer in the NFL (again). With this defense Fox is not going to win any games scoring 1 or 2 TDs like he and Tebow did in Denver.

 

Why are you criticizing SMC on coverage? (Curious what you are seeing since i haven't focused on him) Is it because of the play where Fitzgerald scored a TD? Or other plays? On Fitz's TD it was Fuller's man and SMC realized the blown coverage and ran back late to get in the play. Can't fault him on that one. He's still a step late getting into coverage and is reading things but with experience he should become more instinctive. To be honest I think SMC (our leading tackler) is far from the biggest issue on our defense these days. Surprisingly, I've noticed a complete lack of threads dedicated to SMC these past two weeks which has not been the case the last few seasons.

Well can you explain why he does this more often than not?

https://t.co/2FGcJ1exEj

[Chitownhustla]

Well can you explain why he does this more often than not?

https://t.co/2FGcJ1exEj

 

 

Ever play football when you are overthinking everything? That is what that play looks like. New Position and new scheme. As the season goes on that should stop happening. If it doesn't HE GONE!

 

 

 

[Wesson44]

Ever play football when you are overthinking everything? That is what that play looks like. New Position and new scheme. As the season goes on that should stop happening. If it doesn't HE GONE!

 

nope never have...read your keys and react. Pass play..why didn't you jam the TE Shea he ran right around or you around him?

[scs787]

nope never have...read your keys and react. Pass play..why didn't you jam the TE Shea he ran right around or you around him?

 

To me it looks like he's lined up past 5 yards from the line of scrimmage thus jamming the TE would be illegal contact. McPhee probably should have gave him a shove on that play.

[Mongo3451]

To me it looks like he's lined up past 5 yards from the line of scrimmage thus jamming the TE would be illegal contact. McPhee probably should have gave him a shove on that play.

Gotta go with Wesson on that one. He's 4-5 yards off the LOS. If he pops that TE, the receiver gets whacked too. IMO, he's played ok. Just ok.

[Chitownhustla]

Gotta go with Wesson on that one. He's 4-5 yards off the LOS. If he pops that TE, the receiver gets whacked too. IMO, he's played ok. Just ok.

 

He was too busy trying to figure out who his guy was, overthinking it.

[Wesson44]

He was too busy trying to figure out who his guy was, overthinking it.

 

ILB = RB or TE since they had only one RB then your man Shea was the TE. He went 10 yards of the line and caught the ball right behind YOU.

[adam]

The most concerning part is that SMC is the only guy in the shot with 3 GB players running around without a defender. So he had to be covering an area and trying to react to the QB.

 

In regards to the INT, Gase has mentioned numerous times how far ahead Cutler was than the receivers in learning the offense, and Bennett missed some camp time, so I have to believe it was on the TE. Looking at how Cutler threw the ball, you could tell he was trying to stop the throw right when he released which resulted in the low wobbly throw. I will have to look back, but Bennett has been in on a fair share of Cutler's bad interceptions.

[Mongo3451]

He was too busy trying to figure out who his guy was, overthinking it.

Yup, that too.

[Wesson44]

The most concerning part is that SMC is the only guy in the shot with 3 GB players running around without a defender. So he had to be covering an area and trying to react to the QB.

 

In regards to the INT, Gase has mentioned numerous times how far ahead Cutler was than the receivers in learning the offense, and Bennett missed some camp time, so I have to believe it was on the TE. Looking at how Cutler threw the ball, you could tell he was trying to stop the throw right when he released which resulted in the low wobbly throw. I will have to look back, but Bennett has been in on a fair share of Cutler's bad interceptions.

 

Cutler has two thrown ints right....both going to Bennett? Hmmmm something tells me that Bennett is not going where he is supposed to be.

[Chitownhustla]

Cutler has two thrown ints right....both going to Bennett? Hmmmm something tells me that Bennett is not going where he is supposed to be.

 

Alaska is going to blow a gasket! Lol

[bowlingtwig]

Cutler has two thrown ints right....both going to Bennett? Hmmmm something tells me that Bennett is not going where he is supposed to be.

That's a good point. And I remember quite a few last yr as well if I'm not mistaken

[Alaskan Grizzly]

Alaska is going to blow a gasket! Lol

 

WOW Amazing, never considered it. You're right my mind is flippin blown. All this time it was Martellus Bennett that caused Jay to throw all those INTs and lose those fumbles. Why didn't I see it? Thank you guys for pointing that out. Ok, I'll stop looking for Cutler to screw up. Thank you for setting me straight.

 

[Chitownhustla]

WOW Amazing, never considered it. You're right my mind is flippin blown. All this time it was Martellus Bennett that caused Jay to throw all those INTs and lose those fumbles. Why didn't I see it? Thank you guys for pointing that out. Ok, I'll stop looking for Cutler to screw up. Thank you for setting me straight.

 

 

 

OHHHHHH even the biggest Cutler supporters know he is responsible for many of the INT's he has thrown. But the Cutler supporters are quicker to point out that some of them are not his fault.

 

 

Would you be willing to admit that Cutler has had less then adequate help (poor OC, WR and Oline play) for the majority of his time here?

[Alaskan Grizzly]

OHHHHHH even the biggest Cutler supporters know he is responsible for many of the INT's he has thrown. But the Cutler supporters are quicker to point out that some of them are not his fault.

 

 

Would you be willing to admit that Cutler has had less then adequate help (poor OC, WR and Oline play) for the majority of his time here?

 

I'd have to disagree with the word usage in your first sentence. Should read "all/most" as he was the thrower, not the receiver.

 

Anyhow, I would be willing to agree to some level that Cutler has not had all the support he's needed at all levels to succeed every year. Somewhere along the way, one element or the other has managed to not shine and give him the chance to shine. The team has tried however to correct this and give him that crutch. Whether it be signing former Pro Bowl linemen (Pace, Bushrod) to getting more weapons as RB's (Taylor, Barber), or WR's (Marshall, Royal, Jeffery, Muhammad?) to hiring 'preferred' coordinators (Trestman, Bates and Gase) a few managers have tried. For some reason or the other something inevitably goes wrong. But then again; players like Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Stafford, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers and a few others still manage some modicum of consistency and success despite some of the lack of support they might have. It's like Mad said in another post, Jay will get going on a roll and play really well for a game maybe two then BAM, he goes from Dr Jekyll to Mr Hyde. It's not necessarily as reliable as clockwork but damn close. And when I say 'good play' I'm suggesting when he was in Martz' offense and last year's offense with Trestman. Just two games into Gase's system he looked overall good, but again reverted to the Cutler of old in both games. This inconsistency on his being consistently good is on him...not everyone else.

[bowlingtwig]

I'd have to disagree with the word usage in your first sentence. Should read "all/most" as he was the thrower, not the receiver.

 

Anyhow, I would be willing to agree to some level that Cutler has not had all the support he's needed at all levels to succeed every year. Somewhere along the way, one element or the other has managed to not shine and give him the chance to shine. The team has tried however to correct this and give him that crutch. Whether it be signing former Pro Bowl linemen (Pace, Bushrod) to getting more weapons as RB's (Taylor, Barber), or WR's (Marshall, Royal, Jeffery, Muhammad?) to hiring 'preferred' coordinators (Trestman, Bates and Gase) a few managers have tried. For some reason or the other something inevitably goes wrong. But then again; players like Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Stafford, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers and a few others still manage some modicum of consistency and success despite some of the lack of support they might have. It's like Mad said in another post, Jay will get going on a roll and play really well for a game maybe two then BAM, he goes from Dr Jekyll to Mr Hyde. It's not necessarily as reliable as clockwork but damn close. And when I say 'good play' I'm suggesting when he was in Martz' offense and last year's offense with Trestman. Just two games into Gase's system he looked overall good, but again reverted to the Cutler of old in both games. This inconsistency on his being consistently good is on him...not everyone else.

The old Cutler that pissed all of us off in the past was when he made that mistake typically he was unable to come out of it and everything went down the drain. Like most here I'd like to see consistency from our starters. However in 2nd game we don't know if he would have brought us back and redeem himself for the int that was thrown. Most agree that Jay isn't the future any more. He needs a change of scenery and we are unwilling to see him any more. The question going forward is how do we get that franchise guy all of us have been wanting for our entire lives here. And even worse the college game isn't spitting those guys out for the most part. In most cases the college guys come in and they are unable to make reads which is mind boggling to me but it is what it is.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

I'd have to disagree with the word usage in your first sentence. Should read "all/most" as he was the thrower, not the receiver.

 

Anyhow, I would be willing to agree to some level that Cutler has not had all the support he's needed at all levels to succeed every year. Somewhere along the way, one element or the other has managed to not shine and give him the chance to shine. The team has tried however to correct this and give him that crutch. Whether it be signing former Pro Bowl linemen (Pace, Bushrod) to getting more weapons as RB's (Taylor, Barber), or WR's (Marshall, Royal, Jeffery, Muhammad?) to hiring 'preferred' coordinators (Trestman, Bates and Gase) a few managers have tried. For some reason or the other something inevitably goes wrong. But then again; players like Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Stafford, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers and a few others still manage some modicum of consistency and success despite some of the lack of support they might have. It's like Mad said in another post, Jay will get going on a roll and play really well for a game maybe two then BAM, he goes from Dr Jekyll to Mr Hyde. It's not necessarily as reliable as clockwork but damn close. And when I say 'good play' I'm suggesting when he was in Martz' offense and last year's offense with Trestman. Just two games into Gase's system he looked overall good, but again reverted to the Cutler of old in both games. This inconsistency on his being consistently good is on him...not everyone else.

You lost me when you had Stafford and indicated he is a model QB. Stafford is no different then Jay, in fact, I'd argue he's worse. Stafford had all kinds of talent around him and still couldn't win / be a playoff guy. Rivers is better, but he has his own consistency issues too. Eli has had some awful seasons.

[Alaskan Grizzly]

You lost me when you had Stafford and indicated he is a model QB. Stafford is no different then Jay, in fact, I'd argue he's worse. Stafford had all kinds of talent around him and still couldn't win / be a playoff guy. Rivers is better, but he has his own consistency issues too. Eli has had some awful seasons.

 

I don't know that I'd call Stafford "model", but he has managed to do well with a pretty weak cast. Over his time with the team the only real standout players being Megatron and Suh. I could make the case that since joining the league in 2009 he's thrown for no less than 4000 yards since 2011, been named to two Pro Bowls (once as an alternate) and had his team into the playoffs twice. Rivers has been named to the Pro Bowl 5 times and had his team in the playoffs at least twice maybe three? And Eli, we'll all he's done is beat the Patriots twice to win two Super Bowls.

 

All of which is better than what our QB has given us.

[Chitownhustla]

No one will ever convince Alaska otherwise of Cutler, believe me I've tried. I can respect the fact that he is done with Cutler, as it has just not worked.

 

 

I applaud JA for swinging for the fence in getting Cutler.

 

I am happy he was fired for not doing anything with him = no oline (everyone on here was screaming to upgrade the oline), no real weapons

 

I applaud Emery for trading for BM giving him an actual number one WR

 

I am happy he got fired for making one of the biggest mistakes in the history of the NFL by hiring DR. Death

 

 

The Bears management and Cutler are both at fault for the product they have put on the field. The were able to mask a lot of problems the organization has had for the last 15 years with Urlacher, Briggs and Tillman and Hester (return man not the WR).

 

Those hall of fame guys are gone now and we see what the Bears really are. A poorly ran franchise that tried to make a change and chose wrong with Emery and Trestman putting us back even further.

 

Pace and Fox have been hired along with Gase and Fangio. Can Cutler be salvaged by Gase, I think there is a chance but they will need a good group of wr's and some good oline play. Its not getting off to a good start with White hurt, Alshon Hurt and the oline not being great.

You cant tell me an Offense with Alshon Healthy and White playing wouldn't look a whole lot better. White is our 1st round 7th overall pick, he should be a game changer.

 

 

 

If we are going to judge Cutler by wins he is already done as the Defense will make it very hard to win this season.

 

Think about the AZ game, Cutler was 8-9 129 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT before getting hurt, Cutler haters immediately say he reverted to bad JAY. Guys INT's are going to happen, especially with a new offense. Guys are done with him and expect perfection. 8-9 for 129 yard 1 TD 1 INT against AZ a very good team and guys are bashing Cutler??????

 

Now Cutler is hurt, which sucks because it puts the growth of this offense behind. Its very early in the season and Im trying to give this staff and team some time to come together but its hard after watching the AZ game, it just brings back thoughts of last year.

 

If they come out and play like week one and not win I can be happy, if they look like week two I will lose my shit.

 

Here's hoping Gase can get this offense right and Fangio can get this Defense heading in the right direction.

 

 

 

 

[scs787]

I don't know that I'd call Stafford "model", but he has managed to do well with a pretty weak cast. Over his time with the team the only real standout players being Megatron and Suh. I could make the case that since joining the league in 2009 he's thrown for no less than 4000 yards since 2011, been named to two Pro Bowls (once as an alternate) and had his team into the playoffs twice. Rivers has been named to the Pro Bowl 5 times and had his team in the playoffs at least twice maybe three? And Eli, we'll all he's done is beat the Patriots twice to win two Super Bowls.

 

All of which is better than what our QB has given us.

 

 

Stafford also threw the ball a million times a season because Detroit never had a RB. If you look at the averages you can make a case for Jay being better. Stafford has averaged 7.0 yards per attempt. Jay in his time here averaged 7.1, and 7.2 for his career. So essentially if you look at that, if Jay threw the ball as much as Stafford, he would have more yards. Career Quarterback Rating is also a win for Jay at 85 vs 83.

 

Stafford and Jay are pretty much the same guy except Jay has had Forte to pound the rock so he throws less.

 

Eli once threw 27 INTs in a year, I actually think he's lead the league twice in that category. Your previous post was about consistency. Consistent is not something I would tag on Eli.

 

I know you didn't mention Luck, but his name has been brought up on here in reference to "If you can draft a Luck you do it", guess who has more turnovers dating back to the beginning of last season? Andrew Luck. 35 to 33.....Just thought I'd throw that out there as well

[Chitownhustla]

Stafford also threw the ball a million times a season because Detroit never had a RB. If you look at the averages you can make a case for Jay being better. Stafford has averaged 7.0 yards per attempt. Jay in his time here averaged 7.1, and 7.2 for his career. So essentially if you look at that, if Jay threw the ball as much as Stafford, he would have more yards. Career Quarterback Rating is also a win for Jay at 85 vs 83.

 

Stafford and Jay are pretty much the same guy except Jay has had Forte to pound the rock so he throws less.

 

Eli once threw 27 INTs in a year, I actually think he's lead the league twice in that category. Your previous post was about consistency. Consistent is not something I would tag on Eli.

 

I know you didn't mention Luck, but his name has been brought up on here in reference to "If you can draft a Luck you do it", guess who has more turnovers dating back to the beginning of last season? Andrew Luck. 35 to 33.....Just thought I'd throw that out there as well

 

 

Ill take Cutler over Stafford allllllllll day. Stafford has been throwing to MEGATRON his entire career.

 

 

Andrew Luck has won and got his team to the playoffs how many times??? The Colts have been good because of Luck, they have gotten to the playoffs because of Luck.

 

 

Ill take Lucks INT's all day if it meant winning.