BearFan PHX Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 This is a bad team. They were not going to make the playoffs. This year is about finding players to keep for next year and seeing if Cutler can play in this offense. I hate losing games like this but I want to win a Super Bowl. I don't want to be 7-9 to 9-7 every year. Amen. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 This is a bad team. They were not going to make the playoffs. This year is about finding players to keep for next year and seeing if Cutler can play in this offense. I hate losing games like this but I want to win a Super Bowl. I don't want to be 7-9 to 9-7 every year. Peace Rather get the higher pick now. I think on offense, we are ok if we add another OL. Defense, we need another 2-3 difference makers. Mostly DBs. We struck out against our division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50england50 Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Why does McManis get on the field on defense he hasn't made a play all season. If I was an opposing QB I wouldpass to the player who McManis is covering because he is useless. I don't care what he is supposed to do on special team which doesn't seem much to me. He is a liability. Game eventually came down to Robbie 'Michael Jordan' Gould missing his field goal. Don't make me laugh we could save cap space with that overpaid muppet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 This is a bad team. They were not going to make the playoffs. This year is about finding players to keep for next year and seeing if Cutler can play in this offense. I hate losing games like this but I want to win a Super Bowl. I don't want to be 7-9 to 9-7 every year. Peace Agreed. Nobody wants the Bears to lose, but it's probably better for this team to get a year of high draft picks. We already learned the middle of the road approach every year doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Not that it matters now, but O'Donnell got run into and there was no call. There is no incidental contact on punts or kicks, should've been the 5 yard variety. Besides some bad play, we have not gotten any favors from the refs. We had the punt in Seattle that "didn't" hit the Seattle player, and the Tate TD against Detroit (amongst other non-calls). To me that has to be factored in, because we are not good enough to overcome bad play AND bad officiating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Why does McManis get on the field on defense he hasn't made a play all season. If I was an opposing QB I wouldpass to the player who McManis is covering because he is useless. I don't care what he is supposed to do on special team which doesn't seem much to me. He is a liability. Game eventually came down to Robbie 'Michael Jordan' Gould missing his field goal. Don't make me laugh we could save cap space with that overpaid muppet WHAT?!?! So being one of the best kickers of all time, one of the most accurate of all time, being so good that his nickname is "Good as Gould," he's 17/18 on the season, nailed a 55-yarder earlier in the game, and he misses one because of the windy condition and he's a muppet? The Bears should hold on to Gould as long as his leg lasts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Not that it matters now, but O'Donnell got run into and there was no call. There is no incidental contact on punts or kicks, should've been the 5 yard variety. Besides some bad play, we have not gotten any favors from the refs. We had the punt in Seattle that "didn't" hit the Seattle player, and the Tate TD against Detroit (amongst other non-calls). To me that has to be factored in, because we are not good enough to overcome bad play AND bad officiating. Technically, that's not true. There is a ton of wiggle room in the rules. ARTICLE 10. ROUGHING/RUNNING INTO THE KICKER. No defensive player may run into or rough a kicker who kicks from behind the line unless such contact: ( a ) is incidental to and occurs after the defender has touched the kick in flight ( b ) is caused by the kicker’s own motions First, the word "incidental" is in 10-a. However, part b is where the true issue is. If the official judged that O'Donnell had plenty of space to come to the ground, finish out his motion, etc., then they could view that as inconsequential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 WHAT?!?! So being one of the best kickers of all time, one of the most accurate of all time, being so good that his nickname is "Good as Gould," he's 17/18 on the season, nailed a 55-yarder earlier in the game, and he misses one because of the windy condition and he's a muppet? The Bears should hold on to Gould as long as his leg lasts. Absolutely agree 100%. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Technically, that's not true. There is a ton of wiggle room in the rules. ARTICLE 10. ROUGHING/RUNNING INTO THE KICKER. No defensive player may run into or rough a kicker who kicks from behind the line unless such contact: ( a ) is incidental to and occurs after the defender has touched the kick in flight ( b ) is caused by the kicker’s own motions First, the word "incidental" is in 10-a. However, part b is where the true issue is. If the official judged that O'Donnell had plenty of space to come to the ground, finish out his motion, etc., then they could view that as inconsequential. Sure but you have to read the entire rule. See below: SUPPLEMENTAL NOTES (1) Avoiding the kicker is a primary responsibility of defensive players if they do not touch the kick. (2) Any contact with the kicker by a single defensive player who has not touched the kick is running into the kicker. #2 clearly states any contact with the kicker without touching the ball is at least the 5 yard variety, there is no wiggle room or interpretation there. O'Donnell still had his leg up in the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Why does McManis get on the field on defense he hasn't made a play all season. If I was an opposing QB I wouldpass to the player who McManis is covering because he is useless. I don't care what he is supposed to do on special team which doesn't seem much to me. He is a liability. Game eventually came down to Robbie 'Michael Jordan' Gould missing his field goal. Don't make me laugh we could save cap space with that overpaid muppet Kickers miss, too many variables, especially at Soldier Field. Gould is still a great kicker and his miss didn't decide the game. Our defense's inability to stop Minnesota late, the Punt Return TD, and Langford's drop were bigger factors in the loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 What sucks is we wasted another solid, mistake-free game from Cutler. He threw a TD and ran for another, didn't fumble or throw an INT. I just wish we were a little better on 3rd down. He only has 1 INT in last 127 attempts (which has to be nearing a career long) Minnesota was coming in as a top 5 scoring defense and top 10 in yards against. We scored 20 and had over 300 yards on offense. The offense did enough to win and the defense was about 3 plays from winning. The Special Teams failed us again with that kick return. I would rather have O'Donnell kick every one out of bounds with a net of 40 yards. McManis is horrible and I have no idea what Rolle was doing when he let up that big play. Defense needs a lot of help this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Sure but you have to read the entire rule. See below: SUPPLEMENTAL NOTES (1) Avoiding the kicker is a primary responsibility of defensive players if they do not touch the kick. (2) Any contact with the kicker by a single defensive player who has not touched the kick is running into the kicker. #2 clearly states any contact with the kicker without touching the ball is at least the 5 yard variety, there is no wiggle room or interpretation there. O'Donnell still had his leg up in the air. I read the rule. Trust me. There is nothing infallible in that one section. The contradiction of the portion I quoted is the wiggle room. There HAS to be wiggle room, otherwise any single touch - a pinky finger on the kicker's shoulder pad, for instance - would be running into the kicker. We both know that's stupid. So that obviously means the "Any contact" in the portion you quoted is not "any contact." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 I read the rule. Trust me. There is nothing infallible in that one section. The contradiction of the portion I quoted is the wiggle room. There HAS to be wiggle room, otherwise any single touch - a pinky finger on the kicker's shoulder pad, for instance - would be running into the kicker. We both know that's stupid. So that obviously means the "Any contact" in the portion you quoted is not "any contact." Yup! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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