Alaskan Grizzly Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 So how is it this same team can look stellar when playing on the road and near garbage when at home? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50england50 Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Thanks Robbie 2 loses down to the kicker this year. Overpaid kicker got to let go in the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 I would cut Gould. And re-sign Gafford. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eback Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 They don't play well at noon and at home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Bet they'd like to have back those 2 early drives where they settled for FG's? I harp on it all the time, but for good reason. Those things always get you beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 You know it's pointless for you to point things like this out right? It's always another player's fault when Jay throws these. This was one part Cutler needing to do a better job of selling the play and one part the defender making a good play. If you recall a few weeks back where Jay threw a similar 'pick six' to Verrett (who jumped that play) when playing the Chargers. Generally speaking when a defender jumps a route it's a combo of seeing and recognizing a play from film or experience and/or the QB not doing a good job of diverting away from the play. Experience shows Jay has a tendency to lock on players to include during the play set up, which easily could have happened here. And before Jason pees himself I will say Jay has played overall pretty well today. So far... The problem is, you have no sort of common sense when it comes to Jay issues. No middle ground. No objectivity. Want to know a bad throw by Jay? The one where he overthrew a wide open Alshon for the long bomb, sure-fire TD. That was huge. That, I believe, would have taken the wind out of the Niners' sails. But he overthrew it. Another one is the deep slant in the 4th where he overthrew Bellamy. Sorry, but that screen pass was not his fault. It's a trust route. He gets the ball, turns and throws. There isn't anything complicated to the route. He doesn't turn, look for the DB, then decide to throw it. If he hesitates to look for the DB, it's not a successful play. That play lives and dies with the blocks from the two WRs who do not get the ball. Bellamy didn't get a finger on Ward. It was Bellamy's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 This is sooooooooooooooooo Bears. Agreed. Feels like typical Bears. Felt like the stomach-punch was coming the entire game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'TD' Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Great game guys. First road win for the Niners. Nice job Gould. Nice job Defense. I don't lknow how you can blame the defense. They gave up only 14 points during regulation. That's pretty darn good against any team. This game is on the offense and the kicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChileBear Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 I don't lknow how you can blame the defense. They gave up only 14 points during regulation. That's pretty darn good against any team. This game is on the offense and the kicker. How long was that run by the 49ers QB that tied it at 20? I'd say the O and D gave this one away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 This was probably Cutler's worst game of the season. I hold him mostly responsible for the loss, although so many others hand a hand in it. I counted at least 5 deep balls he missed to either wide open receivers or receivers who had a good step on their man, and he just flat out missed. His deep ball has not been on point for most of the year and it really hurt the Bears in this game today. The INT was brutal, and he could have had two others. I thought he looked confused the entire game. Mangini did a great job of disguising his blitzes. Conversely, I thought Gase had another bad game calling plays. He does not mix in the play action passing as much as he should when the Bears actually churn out some yardage on the ground. I think opponents are starting to sit on some of those screen plays we've seen all season, so now it's up to him to adjust. At any rate, the only thing I look forward to now is seeing if Kevin White suits up at any point these next two weeks. The thing about this team is that they are capable of beating most teams, but just as capable of losing to the bad ones as well. It's anybody's guess what happens the rest of the way. I'm betting they win 2 more to get to 7-9. Lastly, I think it's becoming more and more evident that the Bears #1 need this off-season is at ILB. McClellin was getting picked on the entire game, and he looked terrible. None of the ILB's have great instincts to shoot a gap and disrupt a play. They need playmakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 When did we resign Chris Conte, and why did he change his last name to Prosinski? I don't know if Rolle is the answer next year, but it sure as hell isn't Chris Prosinski. MIA on the Gabbert rush for a touchdown, and blew the assignment on the OT TD. Not much else needs to be said that hasn't already about Goulde. Unacceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 When did we resign Chris Conte, and why did he change his last name to Prosinski? I don't know if Rolle is the answer next year, but it sure as hell isn't Chris Prosinski. MIA on the Gabbert rush for a touchdown, and blew the assignment on the OT TD. Not much else needs to be said that hasn't already about Goulde. Unacceptable. LOL! I literally laughed because I knew the punchline before it was made. Good one. Games like this make me completely uncertain about the 2016 draft. I have no clue which way the team should go. I could literally be happy with ILB, OLB, DE, FS, SS, LT, or RT in the first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Sadly, yes. Thanks Robbie 2 loses down to the kicker this year. Overpaid kicker got to let go in the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 We were gouged in the middle constantly... This was probably Cutler's worst game of the season. I hold him mostly responsible for the loss, although so many others hand a hand in it. I counted at least 5 deep balls he missed to either wide open receivers or receivers who had a good step on their man, and he just flat out missed. His deep ball has not been on point for most of the year and it really hurt the Bears in this game today. The INT was brutal, and he could have had two others. I thought he looked confused the entire game. Mangini did a great job of disguising his blitzes. Conversely, I thought Gase had another bad game calling plays. He does not mix in the play action passing as much as he should when the Bears actually churn out some yardage on the ground. I think opponents are starting to sit on some of those screen plays we've seen all season, so now it's up to him to adjust. At any rate, the only thing I look forward to now is seeing if Kevin White suits up at any point these next two weeks. The thing about this team is that they are capable of beating most teams, but just as capable of losing to the bad ones as well. It's anybody's guess what happens the rest of the way. I'm betting they win 2 more to get to 7-9. Lastly, I think it's becoming more and more evident that the Bears #1 need this off-season is at ILB. McClellin was getting picked on the entire game, and he looked terrible. None of the ILB's have great instincts to shoot a gap and disrupt a play. They need playmakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Ward was hounding him the entire time. Too close to the LOS to fling it out there without thinking. It was a bad read. Insert any QB on that play and it is a pick. It is what it is. Receiver missed getting the chip and the opposition had enough film to jump the route. You want to blame someone, blame our wideouts or blame or coaching staff, but overall the screen has worked well for us this year, so you have to live with the occasional jumped route on it. Problem I have is we didn't ever want to put our foot on the Niners throat in this game, knowing we were the better team. We have to start getting touchdowns in the redzone. That said, Jeffrey was running slow most of the day and has had limited practice all season and the other cast of characters have all been all over the place (between injuries or having PSers). I'm really not surprised timing is poor, but this definitely was Jays worse game. That said, they did enough to win and Gould dropped the ball, but I blame this loss on a lot of people, mainly the offense. Defense clearly failed down the stretch and in the big moments as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 The problem is, you have no sort of common sense when it comes to Jay issues. No middle ground. No objectivity. Want to know a bad throw by Jay? The one where he overthrew a wide open Alshon for the long bomb, sure-fire TD. That was huge. That, I believe, would have taken the wind out of the Niners' sails. But he overthrew it. Another one is the deep slant in the 4th where he overthrew Bellamy. Sorry, but that screen pass was not his fault. It's a trust route. He gets the ball, turns and throws. There isn't anything complicated to the route. He doesn't turn, look for the DB, then decide to throw it. If he hesitates to look for the DB, it's not a successful play. That play lives and dies with the blocks from the two WRs who do not get the ball. Bellamy didn't get a finger on Ward. It was Bellamy's fault. (I know this thread is old news ... but have been meaning to respond to Jason for some time). At any rate. You do know the definition of 'objectivity' right? The way you use the word in the highlighted part of the sentence is and of itself...subjective. Objectively and using facts that are based on historical proof; Jay has sucked in the red zone. He has also had a lot of turnovers. AND many times those turnovers turned into direct scores, ergo 'pick sixes' as was the case here. Believe what you will, this particular throw was not the fault of the receiver missing a block...not completely. Take this last week's game as a prime example. Daryl Johnston, who had commentated on this (SF) game, noted in the Redskins game that 'teams are figuring out the bubble screen play' (which he specifically was addressing to the Bears after seeing them try this play very unsuccessfully against the Redskins). Somewhere between Gase not realizing this, Cutler audiblizing to it (and giving away the clues to the defense in doing so) and the receiver not blocking, this particular play at this particular time failed. Whether fair or not, Cutler ends up with the blame. Subjectively speaking of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 (I know this thread is old news ... but have been meaning to respond to Jason for some time). At any rate. You do know the definition of 'objectivity' right? The way you use the word in the highlighted part of the sentence is and of itself...subjective. Objectively and using facts that are based on historical proof; Jay has sucked in the red zone. He has also had a lot of turnovers. AND many times those turnovers turned into direct scores, ergo 'pick sixes' as was the case here. Believe what you will, this particular throw was not the fault of the receiver missing a block...not completely. Take this last week's game as a prime example. Daryl Johnston, who had commentated on this (SF) game, noted in the Redskins game that 'teams are figuring out the bubble screen play' (which he specifically was addressing to the Bears after seeing them try this play very unsuccessfully against the Redskins). Somewhere between Gase not realizing this, Cutler audiblizing to it (and giving away the clues to the defense in doing so) and the receiver not blocking, this particular play at this particular time failed. Whether fair or not, Cutler ends up with the blame. Subjectively speaking of course. Other than in the stat sheet, your last statement is simply not true. Maybe in the stat sheet since WRs don't get the INT stat, but that is who should get the INT on that play if he doesn't block the DB. Even if it is a perfect read and they have figured the play out, the defender still is on the other side of the line of scrimmage, and chipping him is on the WR. Also, unless Johnstone spoke specifically with the defender on that play, he can't know if the play was read or if the DB just took a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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