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Offense

Cutler - he will be back, has really performed well with a sub par Oline and injuries to every weapon WR, TE, RB, added him to list due to some guys probably still wanting him gone

Forte - This will probably be the most debated player - should they resign him or let him go??? Langford and Carey have looked good

Alshon - franchise or sign long term - thoughts on long term contract?

Bennett - trade, cut, give him more money???

Bushrod - I bet he gets cut

Montgomery - bring him back or let the rookie start?

Long - move back to G or leave at Tackle

 

Defense-

Houston - has played well as of late, do you cut him, trade him or bring him back

Young - out of position but has came on as late, cut, trade or bring back

Shae - resign or let walk

Rolle - cut or bring back?

Jenkins - resign him

Sutton - cut or bring back

Porter - think he was only on a 1 year deal- resign ?

Acho - one year deal as well, resign him?

Ego -cut or bring back

Mundy - bring back

 

Would love to hear your thoughts on these players, if I left anyone off the list that may be in line to either be cut, traded or resigned please add him to the list.

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Offense

Cutler - he will be back, has really performed well with a sub par Oline and injuries to every weapon WR, TE, RB, added him to list due to some guys probably still wanting him gone

Forte - This will probably be the most debated player - should they resign him or let him go??? Langford and Carey have looked good

Alshon - franchise or sign long term - thoughts on long term contract?

Bennett - trade, cut, give him more money???

Bushrod - I bet he gets cut

Montgomery - bring him back or let the rookie start?

Long - move back to G or leave at Tackle

 

Defense-

Houston - has played well as of late, do you cut him, trade him or bring him back

Young - out of position but has came on as late, cut, trade or bring back

Shae - resign or let walk

Rolle - cut or bring back?

Jenkins - resign him

Sutton - cut or bring back

Porter - think he was only on a 1 year deal- resign ?

Acho - one year deal as well, resign him?

Ego -cut or bring back

Mundy - bring back

 

Would love to hear your thoughts on these players, if I left anyone off the list that may be in line to either be cut, traded or resigned please add him to the list.

 

A lot of this could hinge on whether Fangio and Gase return next year. Right now my money is that if anyone leaves it'll be Gase. Which could dynamically effect the offense because who knows how Cutler will perform for another OC other than Gase? But presuming both Gase and Fangio return, here are my thoughts.

 

Cutler - yes he'll return. He has one year (?) left on his ludicrous contract before it turns into optional years(?). And from all the reports no one is going on about the QB draft prospects for this year.

Forte - Would hate to see him go but could see it happen with how well Langford and Carey are doing. Especially if he plays hard ball.

Alshon - Not sure I'm convinced he's going to work long term To me he's a health risk but probably worth keeping because when he does play he plays well.

Bennett - F - him. Don't need him with Miller playing like he is.

Bushrod - gone

Montgomery - gone. Don't need him. If anything he could stay as back up to Grasu.

Long - He ran hot/cold at Tackle this year. Maybe after a year at the position and some actual time in the off-season to develop the position perhaps he'll get better? I'll leave that to the experts on the team to decide.

 

Houston/Young - Figured I'd lump them together as their paths seem to be following similar tracts. Of the two I love me some Young but we all know in his mind he's a DE (probably a 4-3 type) so will he try and bolt to a team that will allow him to play that role? I dunno, He's done well despite it all. And both he and Houston have done well considering the injuries they both sustained last year. Most times those are career enders if not deviators especially for players in their positions.

SMC - Fangio likes him and sees something we all aren't seeing. Again, leave it to Vic to figure out.

Rolle - Sorry, haven't seen enough to warrant his need to return. Draft a replacement.

Jenkins - He was an unsung hero early on but since seems to have dropped off. Let him go I reckon...unless they really need him.

Sutton - I always get he and Ferguson mixed up so that should be a measure of how much impact he has made. If I'm thinking of the right guy he seems to run hot/cold too. If he's considered a NT in this defense then if anything he's a backup to our 'starter' Goldman. Gaston has played well enough to be considered too.

Porter - I like that he's managed to come back. Not sold on his sustaining his ability to stay healthy and stay on top of his game. Would be nice to have him back if he can close out the year strong.

Acho - I've always been a huge fan of his. But...he's not done a lot that makes him stick out. If Vic keeps him I'm good with it.

Ego - see above.

Mundy - who? Where the heck did he disappear to? Thinking he won't work out due to his inability to stay on the field.

 

The one player that really needs to be evaluated is Robbie. The guy has been so good for so long and I'd hate to see him go because he's in some sort of slump but man he needs some attention from a capable ST coach. Speaking of FIRE RODGERS NOW!

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Offense

Cutler - Rightfully returns. He has looked damn good this year. If he had any semblance of a receiving corp this year, he'd probably be top-10 everything.

Forte - Hope he returns. He should.

Alshon - Good contract, but no franchise. He's hurt too often.

Bennett - Trade. Period.

Bushrod - He probably gets cut.

Montgomery - Meh

Long - Move back to RG

 

Defense

Houston, Acho, Ego, Young, Shae, Jenkins, Sutton - I trust Fangio, but I don't care if they stay or not. None have blown the doors off.

Rolle - Cut

Porter - Resign

Mundy - Resign

 

Based on the above, the Bears need OTs and Defense. No surprise. Protect Cutler with one FA and the 1st Rd OT, then let Fangio pick the rest. That would probably be a great gameplan going forward.

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Offense

Cutler - he will be back, has really performed well with a sub par Oline and injuries to every weapon WR, TE, RB, added him to list due to some guys probably still wanting him gone

Forte - This will probably be the most debated player - should they resign him or let him go??? Langford and Carey have looked good

Alshon - franchise or sign long term - thoughts on long term contract?

Bennett - trade, cut, give him more money???

Bushrod - I bet he gets cut

Montgomery - bring him back or let the rookie start?

Long - move back to G or leave at Tackle

 

Defense-

Houston - has played well as of late, do you cut him, trade him or bring him back

Young - out of position but has came on as late, cut, trade or bring back

Shae - resign or let walk

Rolle - cut or bring back?

Jenkins - resign him

Sutton - cut or bring back

Porter - think he was only on a 1 year deal- resign ?

Acho - one year deal as well, resign him?

Ego -cut or bring back

Mundy - bring back

 

Would love to hear your thoughts on these players, if I left anyone off the list that may be in line to either be cut, traded or resigned please add him to the list.

 

Cutler is a no-brainer. He's played well enough to earn his keep going forward and the options otherwise are not very good. The Bears will have teams calling them this offseason asking if they'll trade him. Looking at the draft QBs now don't you think Houston wishes they'd have made that deal last year? Saint Louis?

 

Forte... I don't really care if he's back or not. While I still like him, he's replaceable IMO by the talent we have on the field today. I can't see us paying him more than $3mil next season and any contract has to be team friendly so that we can get out it of each season. While Forte displays good vision I just don't see any burst and that won't be better next season. We can grab another 4th Rd pick to put in the mix if he leaves but I feel comfortable with Carey and Langford going forward and if that $3mil is needed to sign a better RG/RT then goodbye Forte.

 

Alshon...he has to be franchised. It makes too much sense for the team. We don't yet know what White can do so at a minimum having Alshon around for one more year gives us time to sort it out. However, I think we'll come to an agreement on a new deal that will work for both sides. Alshon will have to acknowledge his lengthy injury history and accept what that means in his new deal, and I think he'll do that ending up somewhere around $12mil/yr. If it doesn't pan out the next #1 WR is waiting in the wings.

 

Bennett...I want him back. With so many needs on the roster I don't want to add TE to the list. Miller can replace his production as a receiver but not as a blocker. Despite his success this year it's hard to bank on his health for another full year too. There are some caveats here because if we went Jason's route and found a stud RT somewhere then we don't need that blocking TE nearly as much. I don't see that happening and I wouldn't place my bets entirely on a rookie. There aren't a lot of good options in FA either although some of the names might be up and coming players that can contribute. The flip side to the lack of FA talent might also mean a good trade market for Bennett. This one may be a topic of discussion all the way to the draft.

 

Bushrod...I think his back injury isn't going away so that means he is.

 

Montgomery...originally I thought we need him as a backup next year because he played well. Then I remember that Slauson did well enough there to be our backup next year, especially if we upgrade our backup OG as I expect we will. I think Monty is gone as he's not strong enough to be a backup C/OG.

 

Long...already said put him back at RG where he's a Pro Bowl player. We can't ignore what that means for the interior of the line. It can't be too hard to find someone else who will struggle as much as he does from time to time at RT. I figure that's the worst case, and that new RT would have a Pro Bowl RG next to him so it's a better situation than what we have today. Best case is you get someone new who is more comfortable on the edge and that guy is also next to a Pro Bowl RG.

 

Houston...played well enough in the 2nd half of the season to deserve to be brought back. Plus we have few options here.

 

Young...we just might get someone to trade for Willie. Any guy who can get you 10 sacks, roughly the pace Young is on the 2nd half of the season, is worth quite a bit to a lot of teams. But that offer would have to be pretty good, maybe an early 4th Rd pick, or a 3rd Rd, because I just don't see any reason to let him go. He's cheap and he's productive. We're in a 4-3 front half the time so having one guy like him is a good thing, and he should be better next year.

 

SMC...an obvious re-sign. Not because he's played great but because we have no other options. He's been consistent the 2nd half since returning from his injury. He's not irreplaceable but if he were next to a stud he'd be good. Sign him to a new deal, sign another good FA like Trevathan, and use an early pick to draft some competition for both.

 

Rolle...I can't see us spending $3mil again for Rolle. I like him as backup player and think he's good for the locker room. I'd cut him and let him know to call us if/when he gets an offer from another team and we'll see if we can match it. We might save well over $1mil and maybe closer to $2mil and still have him around to lead the young guys.

 

Jenkins... re-sign if we can because we have to get some competition at DT.

 

Sutton...he'll be back but competing for a roster spot again because it makes sense to do so. I hope we do well enough in the offseason to see him move on (and I wanted us to draft him for the old scheme). OTOH I hope he does well enough to stick since that would mean he's playing well. As it is right now, he has competition from Unrein and Gaston and those aren't the names you want to be competing with.

 

Porter... re-sign to a new 1yr deal, even if it has to be Alan Ball type money ($3mil) or if he'll do it a multi-year deal that doesn't have a huge bonus and is easy to cut. I don't see the $5-6mil/yr others have suggested because I'm still not convinced he's a good answer to the CB question.

 

Acho...I think he's gone. Hasn't shown enough to warrant anything long term. Maybe we do another 1yr deal with him and let him compete in camp.

 

Ego...I think he's in the same boat as Sutton, maybe with a little less water on board. I didn't see enough from him before the injury but then again that was so early in the season so he deserves another shot. He's relatively cheap and has upside so why not keep him around?

 

Mundy...he got demoted from starter very quickly in camp. I'm not sure why but then again I'm not sure it matters. Clearly there was something these coaches didn't like about his play. I wouldn't be surprised to see us move on and let him go.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Cutler is a no-brainer. He's played well enough to earn his keep going forward and the options otherwise are not very good. The Bears will have teams calling them this offseason asking if they'll trade him. Looking at the draft QBs now don't you think Houston wishes they'd have made that deal last year? Saint Louis? Forte... I don't really care if he's back or not. While I still like him, he's replaceable IMO by the talent we have on the field today. I can't see us paying him more than $3mil next season and any contract has to be team friendly so that we can get out it of each season. While Forte displays good vision I just don't see any burst and that won't be better next season. We can grab another 4th Rd pick to put in the mix if he leaves but I feel comfortable with Carey and Langford going forward and if that $3mil is needed to sign a better RG/RT then goodbye Forte. Alshon...he has to be franchised. It makes too much sense for the team. We don't yet know what White can do so at a minimum having Alshon around for one more year gives us time to sort it out. However, I think we'll come to an agreement on a new deal that will work for both sides. Alshon will have to acknowledge his lengthy injury history and accept what that means in his new deal, and I think he'll do that ending up somewhere around $12mil/yr. If it doesn't pan out the next #1 WR is waiting in the wings. Bennett...I want him back. With so many needs on the roster I don't want to add TE to the list. Miller can replace his production as a receiver but not as a blocker. Despite his success this year it's hard to bank on his health for another full year too. There are some caveats here because if we went Jason's route and found a stud RT somewhere then we don't need that blocking TE nearly as much. I don't see that happening and I wouldn't place my bets entirely on a rookie. There aren't a lot of good options in FA either although some of the names might be up and coming players that can contribute. The flip side to the lack of FA talent might also mean a good trade market for Bennett. This one may be a topic of discussion all the way to the draft. Bushrod...I think his back injury isn't going away so that means he is. Montgomery...originally I thought we need him as a backup next year because he played well. Then I remember that Slauson did well enough there to be our backup next year, especially if we upgrade our backup OG as I expect we will. I think Monty is gone as he's not strong enough to be a backup C/OG. Long...already said put him back at RG where he's a Pro Bowl player. We can't ignore what that means for the interior of the line. It can't be too hard to find someone else who will struggle as much as he does from time to time at RT. I figure that's the worst case, and that new RT would have a Pro Bowl RG next to him so it's a better situation than what we have today. Best case is you get someone new who is more comfortable on the edge and that guy is also next to a Pro Bowl RG. Houston...played well enough in the 2nd half of the season to deserve to be brought back. Plus we have few options here. Young...we just might get someone to trade for Willie. Any guy who can get you 10 sacks, roughly the pace Young is on the 2nd half of the season, is worth quite a bit to a lot of teams. But that offer would have to be pretty good, maybe an early 4th Rd pick, or a 3rd Rd, because I just don't see any reason to let him go. He's cheap and he's productive. We're in a 4-3 front half the time so having one guy like him is a good thing, and he should be better next year. SMC...an obvious re-sign. Not because he's played great but because we have no other options. He's been consistent the 2nd half since returning from his injury. He's not irreplaceable but if he were next to a stud he'd be good. Sign him to a new deal, sign another good FA like Trevathan, and use an early pick to draft some competition for both. Rolle...I can't see us spending $3mil again for Rolle. I like him as backup player and think he's good for the locker room. I'd cut him and let him know to call us if/when he gets an offer from another team and we'll see if we can match it. We might save well over $1mil and maybe closer to $2mil and still have him around to lead the young guys. Jenkins... re-sign if we can because we have to get some competition at DT. Sutton...he'll be back but competing for a roster spot again because it makes sense to do so. I hope we do well enough in the offseason to see him move on (and I wanted us to draft him for the old scheme). OTOH I hope he does well enough to stick since that would mean he's playing well. As it is right now, he has competition from Unrein and Gaston and those aren't the names you want to be competing with. Porter... re-sign to a new 1yr deal, even if it has to be Alan Ball type money ($3mil) or if he'll do it a multi-year deal that doesn't have a huge bonus and is easy to cut. I don't see the $5-6mil/yr others have suggested because I'm still not convinced he's a good answer to the CB question. Acho...I think he's gone. Hasn't shown enough to warrant anything long term. Maybe we do another 1yr deal with him and let him compete in camp. Ego...I think he's in the same boat as Sutton, maybe with a little less water on board. I didn't see enough from him before the injury but then again that was so early in the season so he deserves another shot. He's relatively cheap and has upside so why not keep him around? Mundy...he got demoted from starter very quickly in camp. I'm not sure why but then again I'm not sure it matters. Clearly there was something these coaches didn't like about his play. I wouldn't be surprised to see us move on and let him go.

 

Well said AZ! Nearly hit everything the way I feel. Ego/Sutton, hard to give up on guys that are on rookie deals and have started. If the Bears were not short handed, I think Sutton would get shut down too for his arm injury. Porter, if he continued to play like the GB night game, would have played himself into a 5 million contract. But his play seemed to have dropped. Acho's spot should be replaced by a rookie. Young/Houston are playing better and should stay unless we get a great trade offer.

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